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From: grimes@habitats.com (Carl Grimes)
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Subject: Talk: Newbies and Codgers
Date: 29 Sep 1994 00:57:27 -0500
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>: Carl Grimes <grimes@habitats.com> wrote:
>: >Internet Newbie is such a common term now that it ought to have a 
>: >universally recognized symbol, either .sig sized or perhaps single line, like 
>: >the smilies.  Any ideas?
[snip]
>: >As for Internet Codger, these are the old timers that ...[snip]

Zeus Paleologos responded:
>I believe the proper term is 'oldie' not 'codger,' thank you.

Nothing personal, Zeus.  I've been around awhile and my son has been for 
nearly 10 years!  He is definitely an 'oldie' but is also definitely not a  
'codger."

I'm talking about a different class of 'oldies' that are more 'codgerie',  not 
just experienced, but impatiently jaded.  They tend to hang out on the newbie 
news groups, grumpily answering the same questions, but deriding the newbies 
on an aside.  If they don't like answering newbie questions, then why do they 
answer them?  I have also found them in the very serious news groups, 
expounding statistics, rarely posted FAQs, and other archane (and hard 
to find, harder to validate) trivia as if *everybody* of course knows...  And 
if you don't then why are you even alive?  That's what I mean by 'codger.'  
Just thought it might be fun to see what we could come up with!

Carl Grimes