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From: boba@wwa.com (Bob Allison)
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Subject: TALK-GIF: Gifscii and ascgif
Date: 6 Mar 1995 00:40:50 -0600
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   The following is from Allen Mullen <mullen@GATE.NET> on the ASCII art 
mailing list.

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   I just joined this mail list so I apologize in advance for any newbie
errors. I hope I'm not repeating something that has already been thoroughly
covered.

   I tried that ascgif program I got in the Email from this mail list. Here
are the results.

..ascgif..........YWRXWWWWWWWWWWWWVIMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWV.=WWWWWY..........=
..................,X=WWWWWWWWWWWWWWMVIVBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWB..WWWWWW+.........=
....................RWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWBYi+IXRWWWWWWWRRY,.VWBBVIB;........:
...................,I+iMWWWWWWWWWWWMRVRWWWBXI=ttIItIVBW:.IWWWWM=i,.......:
...................,MMXMWWWWWWWWWWXtYVBXXMWWWXYWWWWWWWW:.IWWWWWM==.......:
....................IWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRWWWW=MWWWWMWR..VWWWWWWRY:......;
.....................Y=IIBYWWWWWWWWMMRMWWWWWWWYYWWWWMI+.,WWWWWWWWWI.......
.....................+.:XY+RWWWWWMY:+YiXWWWWWIXWWWWWWWI.VVWWWWWWWWM:......
....................,=..BW;BWWWWWW+..tMtRWWWWWtWWWWWWWM:XiWWWWWWWWWt......
....................VMBRXIYWWWWWWWV,.IRRYWWWWWRIYBMMBWW:iVWWWWWWWWWI......
...................:WWWWRXWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWXRVIIWX.IWWWWWWWWWWW......
..................,:WWWWRIMBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWBYtYWtiRWWWWWWWWWWWW,.....
.................;RViWWWWWBMRWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWtiIXVYYBWWWWWWWWWWWWWW:.....
................tMWWX=iBXXItiRBRBWWWWWWWWWWWWtXBIIRWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW;.....
...............IWWRYRIiIMYYIIIt+VMWWWWWWWMWWW:IRMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRBI.....
..............:WWI=iIXI==MVBBXXWWWWWWWWXXVMVYBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWMMII:....
..............+RIVBRYI=tM=WWWWWWWWWBXIYBWWtRWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWIMtR=;...
..............iVVRBYRV;IVitVVVVVItIYMWWWWYMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWYR+WVX...
.............IBMVVtWW+MBIMWBX+tBMWWWWWWWYWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRYIYWWW=..
..........;=.XWWVWIWXXYVWBXXVMiWWWWWMVY=RWBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWB=RtWWWWX..
.........+WWiWWWYMtYBVVV+XYXMMYtRYYIVRM:WtBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWX=BVMWWWWWt=
.......I=BWWXWWWMtMWWiRYMBYMMYIVIRMMMMM;VRWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWY+YWXMWWWWWWR;
......IM:WWW+WWWWBXWW:tRMtRIiXMMtVMMMMM:+WWWWWWWWWWWWRRWWRI;+RMMMMWWWWWWWY
......MMIYWWIWWWWVMBtXR+YI+YMMMMBiRMMMB=.WWWWWWWWWWVXXXVIYBWBRi,itYWWWWWWB

   I had to use the f command once since the picture was just a blob without
it. I also used the lrud and z commands to resize and center the picture.
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   Maybe I'm just used to the gifscii look and merely prefer something
that's familiar but I think the gifscii picture looks better. I try to fix
up gifs so that they are optimal to my eyes when converted with gifscii.
(The hands were a problem for me in both pictures but maybe someone else can
fix them up) I expect that with practice I could learn how to fix up gifs
for ascgif so that I would get better results but I don't think I could get
as good a result.

   Here are the problems I had with ascgif:
   1) Less user friendly. There are better instructions as you produce a
picture with gifscii.
   2) Confusing terminology. The (s)ave command with gifscii made a lot more
sense than the equivalent (c)opy command with ascgif. I still don't
understand what (f)ocus means in ascgif. The (B)rightness and (C)ontrast
commands in gifscii make sense but I couldn't figure out if there were any
equivalent commands in ascgif.
   3) Sizing problems. I couldn't figure out how to get the whole picture to
appear with ascgif - as seen above. I also couldn't figure out how to change
proportions (it looks like I got default Mac proportions). Gifscii has on-
screen commands to do this and even suggests height and width to make it
easier.
   4) Saved pictures all dumped into one file. Gifscii creates a unique file
for each picture converted.

   and last but not least

   5) Ascgif products look like blurry blobs to me.
                                                          Allen
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