Subj : Re: oh man joe biden
To   : paulie420
From : Arelor
Date : Mon Jul 01 2024 04:51 am

  Re: Re: oh man joe biden
  By: paulie420 to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 30 2024 07:10 pm

 > I disagree about Trumps 'above the law' view - I think they DO need to be
 > above the law - because they literall have to be. Cmon dude; you think Bush
 > didn't break ALL the laws going into Iraq? But thats the point... we pick a
 > leader, and we stand behind them; I think yer getting wrapped up with the
 > messenger in Trump, but what he's trying to say DOES make sense.

Waters get a bit muddy here.

The way democracy works is by having people delegate their rights on the government. I don't think you can delegate rights you don't have, as a general principle. If you don't have the right to steal bread from the poor then you can't appoint a government to steal bread themselves. Modern democracies have lots of exceptions but that is because modern democracies are crooked.

So basically I think if you don't have the right to steal and lie and kill then you cannot designate somebody to steal and lie and kill in your name.

Trump's case is kind of funny because half the US political class was in a state of open rebellion all through 2020. Local politicians were letting rioters thrive because riots brough unstability to the federal government, and they didn't care if the people they represented had their homes, cars and businesses burned in the process. Governors were wiping their asses with executive orders. Democracy was ripping by the seams because half the country didn't respect due procedures, and in any other country this would have resulted in lots of politicians getting jailed for insubordination or rebellion.

So yeah, if majors and governors are above the law and above their duty, the
why not every other politician? If open rebellion is a valid tactic for democrats in 2020 then open rebellion is a valid tactic in Jan 6 and laws need not apply to any side.

I don't think democrats who jumped on the George Floyd bandwagon are aware of the sort of Pandora's box they opened.


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