Subj : Re: .22 SAA
To   : Gamgee
From : Moondog
Date : Fri May 29 2020 03:57 pm

  Re: Re: .22 SAA
  By: Gamgee to Moondog on Thu May 28 2020 09:41 pm

 > -=> Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
 > 
 >  >  Mo> Fulton Armory and Inland Manufacturing build new production M1
 >  >  Mo> carbines
 > 
 >  > Well, they might build *clones* of an M1...  Not the same thing.
 > 
 >  Mo> According to the blueprints it's an M1.  If you want to get real
 >  Mo> choosy on what an M1 is, there's a buttload of Iver Johson
 >  Mo> "paratrooper" carbines made during the late 1950's people believe
 >  Mo> are authentic.  The anomaly in this market is the Karh Arms /Auto
 >  Mo> Ordnance Thompsons.  Auto Ordnance made so many spare parts
 >  Mo> during WWII, new rifles are made of mostly "new old stock" parts
 >  Mo> left over from WWII.
 > 
 > In this particular case, I am indeed "real choosy".  To me such
 > things are not authentic M1s (or carbines).  You said it yourself
 > right there - "mostly" new old stock parts.  "Mostly" is not good
 > enough here (for me at least).  :-)
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ... At the end of the day, it gets dark.
In the case of Thompsons, they were produced as open bolt full auto's.  A new
federally compliant reciever and trigger group are required.  Plus parts made
of better materials wear better.

A couple of years ago I saw an article in American Rifleman that pissed off se
veral "vintage" collectors.  Several collectors brag about their WWII era
guns will all matching serial numbers on all the parts.  It turns out very
few from the European theatre may be true "all stock" firearms.  Right after
the war the US gov't cut a deal with FN Herstal to "arsenal refinish" nearly
every firearm either staying or coming home from Europe.  The workers at FN
tore down everything down to the spring and pin level, sorted out all the
worn and broken bits, then reassembled and hand-fitted random parts into good
rifles and pistols.   Parts which required serial numbers had new numbers
etched to match, and FN didn't place any of their own proof marks that
indicated an arsenal rebuild.

Having an "all original" firearm that seen action isn't realistic.  Pins go
bad or fall out, springs get worn, barrels get shot out, and receivers and
stocks sometimes crack.

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