Subj : Re: 45 acp amo
To   : Gamgee
From : Moondog
Date : Mon Sep 13 2021 10:32 pm

  Re: Re: 45 acp amo
  By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sun Sep 12 2021 02:42 pm

 > -=> Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
 > 
 >  >  Mo> Reloading is the best way to go if you shoot alot.  You can
 >  >  Mo> invest several hundred in equipment, but it will pay for itself
 >  >  Mo> in no time.
 > 
 >  > Actually, it's realistically several thousand, and it will take quite a
 >  > long while to actually make that "pay for itself".  Don't get me wrong,
 >  > it's a great idea, and I do it myself, but it's not really that much
 >  > cheaper, especially if you factor in the value of your time.
 > 
 >  Mo> I'm not sure if I mentioned before it depends on the grade of
 >  Mo> ammo you are producing.  Match grade/ benchrest ammo will save
 >  Mo> you more money than recreating 9mm hardball or 55gr .223 for
 >  Mo> plinking.
 > 
 > Very true, and that wasn't mentioned before...  What was said was
 > "shooting a lot", which probably isn't referencing match-grade ammo.
 > 
 >  Mo>  I used to break even when I reloaded shotshells, then
 >  Mo> when I began producing specialty loads such as lig hter recoiling
 >  Mo> 1oz loads for the 12 ga, it really paid off because I don't know
 >  Mo> of many places you can find them.
 > 
 > Yeah, shotshells have always been break-even-at-best, generally
 > speaking.  A 1oz load for a 12 ga doesn't kick enough to even fiddle
 > with.  I generally shoot 1 1/8 oz loads, 3 dram equiv, 1200 fps of #8
 > (for skeet / sporting clays).
 > 
 >  Mo> Regarding hundreds or thousands, it also depends on how far you
 >  Mo> go.  I don't run a Dillon progressive.  My presses are single
 >  Mo> stage.  If I shot IDPA or steel challenge, I would probably
 >  Mo> invest in a larger press than can put out several hundred rounds
 >  Mo> an hour.  For now, it's smaller batches of ammo for ladder
 >  Mo> testing.
 > 
 > Ahhh, OK again it was a little confusing because originally you said "if
 > you shoot a lot".  If you're shooting "a lot" of reloaded ammo, one
 > would assume a progressive.  And yes, a Dillon XL650 with all the
 > trimmings will be several thousand.  ;-)
 > 
 >  Mo>  I would like to dial in a nice 77gr Vmax load that will
 >  Mo> let me reach out to the woodchucks and raccoons at the edge of
 >  Mo> the woods.
 > 
 > A worthy goal there, and not real simple.  Also need to have a barrel
 > with the right spin ratio for those 77's.  Good luck!
 > 
 > 
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LaRue Stealth 18" barrel with a 1-7 twist.  it will stabize up to an 80 grain
pill no problem.  I also have a 20" Wilson bull barrel (1-7 twist) that does
the job if I do my part.  I have access to property where I can shoot out to
700 yards in the right spot, but realisitically I will never see a shot over
300.

I have a Savage 110FP with a factory barrel and trigger that would place 5 sho
ts of 167 gr .308 Hornady spire points under 3/4" at 100 yards.  That is from
bags while shooting prone, so it's more or less what the gun can do, and not t
he shooter.

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