Subj : Re: 30 super - opinions?
To   : Gamgee
From : Moondog
Date : Sat Aug 13 2022 11:54 pm

  Re: Re: 30 super - opinions?
  By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sat Aug 13 2022 06:33 pm

 > -=> Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
 > 
 >  >  Mo> I think we might've grazed over it awhile back, but there is a
 >  >  Mo> new cartridge that came out early this year called 30 super.
 >  >  Mo> It's a lighter lesser diameter bullet than the 9mm, but the case
 >  >  Mo> is longer.  Their about the same legth, except for the case
 >  >  Mo> diameter is smaller.  A .308" 110 grain bullet versus a 124 grain
 >  >  Mo> or greater .356" diameter projectile.  Velocity is higher, which
 >  >  Mo> makes up for the lack of size.  In an S&W Shield+, capacity is 13
 >  >  Mo> rounds compared to 7 rounds of 9mm.   A slightly extended mag
 >  >  Mo> which offers more to hold on to provides 16 round capacity.
 >  >  Mo> Federal , Remington, Seepr, CCI and Hornady are all offering the
 >  >  Mo> round, so it's not like looking for 5.7 or 22TCM.
 > 
 >  > I won't be getting one any time soon.  In my personal opinion, I don't
 >  > want to carry anything weaker than a 9mm.  The *only* advantage that I
 >  > can see this cartridge providing is higher magazine capacity.  I've
 >  > already solved that by upgrading my S&W Shield to a Shield Plus.
 > 
 >  > Honestly the only way I see this being beneficial is to a .380 Auto user
 >  > who wants a little more punch, but doesn't want to go "all the way" to a
 >  > 9mm ... (which is a little strange).
 >  >
 >  > Here a a couple of decent reviews:
 >  >
 >  > https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/30-super-carry-vs-9mm-ammo-face-off/
 >  >
 >  > https://gununiversity.com/30-super-carry/
 > 
 >  Mo> I've been trying to find reloading data on it, and disocvered it
 >  Mo> has a  .312 diameter round rather than the .308 as I expected.  A
 >  Mo> couple of reloading die manufacturers make sizing dies, but the
 >  Mo> powder charge data isn't officialy available.  Some compare the
 >  Mo> cartridge to 30 Luger or 32 H&R, which have been around as long
 >  Mo> as if longer than 9mm.  The factories use custom powder blends
 >  Mo> that are not the same as cannister powders available to hand
 >  Mo> loaders, and can squeeze more velocity under safe pressures.  I
 >  Mo> was hoping they would use .308 bullets, since I have a bunch of
 >  Mo> 110gr projectiles intended for 30 Carbine. I have been loading
 >  Mo> them as varmint loads in .308 Winchester.  Well, so much
 >  Mo>  for adopting a cartridge based on existing supplies...
 > 
 > Might be a blessing in disguise.  I think this cartridge isn't going to
 > take off, and will fade away quietly.  I don't see it offering anything
 > really useful to anyone.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.

Time will tell.  I know someone who swears by his .327 Federal Magnum being a
nice light, but lethal round.  Today i stopped by Rural King, and they had
..30 Super in stock.  it's ironic I did this research because I knew more than
the sale clerks about it.  They had nothing under the glass that chambered
it, but down the road there was a shop  that had moth 30 Super and 327 Federal
 chambered pistols in stock.

Either way, I doubt I will be adopting it, nor picking up any ammo at this
moment.  Prices are still too high for me. 9mm ball ammo was selling for .50
a round.  I'm more comfortable when it is .20 a round.  I can reload .40 S&W f
or .26 a round with what I have in components I bought before things got
crazy.

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