Subj : Re: New purchase
To   : Weatherman
From : Moondog
Date : Sun Jul 09 2023 07:59 am

  Re: Re: New purchase
  By: Weatherman to Tracker1 on Sat Jul 08 2023 04:50 pm

 > -=> Tracker1 wrote to Weatherman <=-
 > 
 >  Tr>   Re: Re: New purchase
 >  Tr>   By: Weatherman to Moondog on Sun Jul 02 2023 01:31:00
 > 
 >  We> Doubt if luck has anything to do with it. Multiple purchases in a
 >  We> specified period of time does NOT constitute reasonable cause to assume
 >  We> straw purchases. Without reasonable cause, the BATF will be unable to
 >  We> obtain a search warrant. Without a search warrant, the BATF has no
 >  We> enforceable right to search, seizure or interview.
 > 
 >  Tr> I doubt it's a matter of luck either... likely a very small number of
 >  Tr> people are ever interviewed.  There may also be other flags, and
 >  Tr> correlated information.
 > 
 >  Tr> As to the latter part, they don't need a warrant to knock on your door
 >  Tr> and ask you anything.  You simply aren't required to let them search
 >  Tr> without a warrant. As to cause, red tape, policy, etc is generally
 >  Tr> enough.  Especially in states with red flag laws and the like.
 > 
 > I didn't say they couldn't come up to my door and ask questions.  I said the
 > had no ENFORCEABLE RIGHT to search or interview.  I, however, DO have an
 > enforceable right to demand they leave my property and not return unless and
 > until they have a warrant.  In this country the government does NOT have
 > rights, the people do.
 > 
 > It's about damned time people started remembering that.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ... DalekDOS v(overflow): (I)Obey (V)ision impaired (E)xterminate

Looks like we're all in agreement here.  No warrant, no search.  If they ask
you to show them the guns that you supposedly bought for your self and you
tell them to pound sand, they're most likely to accomodate you and get a warra
nt.

Law enforcement in general uses their authority and badge to get their way,
especially when they have little or no power.  It is up to the person to
stand their ground and hold them liable for their actions.  They're trying to
do their jobs, yet aren't afraid to use a person's ignorance of the law to do
so.

I live in Michigan, and the Indiana border is 14 miles away.  In Michigan you
are not required to show an officer your ID unless you're being detained, but
in Indiana it is required regardless.  It's important to know the laws in
each state if you travel over the border on a regular basis.

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