(DIR) Return Create A Forum - Home --------------------------------------------------------- Bleacher Bums Forum (HTM) https://bbf.createaforum.com --------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************** (DIR) Return to: Archives ***************************************************** #Post#: 461958-------------------------------------------------- Cubs in ‘23 By: Dave23 Date: October 16, 2022, 4:39 pm --------------------------------------------------------- Onward and upward… #Post#: 461959-------------------------------------------------- Re: Cubs in ‘23 By: Ron Date: October 16, 2022, 5:05 pm --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=Dave23 link=topic=612.msg461958#msg461958 date=1665956381] Onward and upward… [/quote] So we hope (and expect). #Post#: 461961-------------------------------------------------- Re: Cubs in ‘23 By: CurtOne Date: October 16, 2022, 5:19 pm --------------------------------------------------------- Is this for 2123? #Post#: 461990-------------------------------------------------- Re: Cubs in ‘23 By: JeffH Date: October 17, 2022, 2:24 pm --------------------------------------------------------- 2023 payroll summary. All values AAV. Subject to change with trades, of course. Players under contract: Seiya Suzuki $17,000,000 Yan Gomes $6,500,000 David Bote $3,000,000 Marcus Stroman $23,666,667 Kyle Hendricks $13,875,000 Jason Heyward $23,000,000 Subtotal $87,041,667 Players eligible for arbitration (mlbtraderumors.com estimates): Ian Happ $10,600,000 Nico Hoerner $2,200,000 Nick Madrigal $1,100,000 Rowan Wick $1,500,000 Codi Heuer $800,000 Subtotal $16,200,000 Non-tenders - Rafael Ortega, Franmil Reyes, Steven Brault, Alec Mills, Brad Wieck Note - The arb eligible bucket could get bigger with Happ and/or Hoerner extensions. Players under auto-renewal control (assume seven such players on the opening day roster at $800,000 each): Subtotal $5,600,000 Running total = $108,841,667 That accounts for 17 of 26 roster spots. $75-$85 million for 9 spots? One OF, one IF, one C, two SP, two RP? Maybe one more auto-renewal player and one veteran free agent on a minor league deal? #Post#: 461991-------------------------------------------------- Re: Cubs in ‘23 By: craig Date: October 17, 2022, 4:40 pm --------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Jeff, very helpful. Jeff Horn 2023 payroll summary. (so I can go back and search easily!) #Post#: 461992-------------------------------------------------- Re: Cubs in ‘23 By: craig Date: October 17, 2022, 4:42 pm --------------------------------------------------------- Heyward and Hendricks $35 expiring. #Post#: 461998-------------------------------------------------- Re: Cubs in ‘23 By: ticohans Date: October 17, 2022, 7:50 pm --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=JeffH link=topic=612.msg461990#msg461990 date=1666034653] Running total = $108,841,667 $75-$85 million for 9 spots? [/quote] That would project the Cubs 2023 payroll to $185-195M. Here are 2022 MLB payrolls: (HTM) https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/ Your projected range would put them somewhere around 10th overall. I cannot imagine a scenario in which this would be acceptable for the 2023 Cubs. And that's before considering the notion that the 2022 Cubs have supposedly "banked" some dollars to apply to future years' payrolls. #Post#: 461999-------------------------------------------------- Re: Cubs in ‘23 By: craig Date: October 17, 2022, 8:23 pm --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=ticohans link=topic=612.msg461998#msg461998 date=1666054205] ...Your projected range would put them somewhere around 10th overall. I cannot imagine a scenario in which this would be acceptable for the 2023 Cubs. And that's before considering the notion that the 2022 Cubs have supposedly "banked" some dollars to apply to future years' payrolls..[/quote] tico, could you expand on that? Why is it implausible that the Cubs might elect to spend ~10th? Also, when you say that's "before considering" the banked-dollars notion, are you saying even with banked dollars, that ~10th is even then still an unimaginable scenario? Or are you saying that ~10th is unimaginable before the banked dollars, but that with the addition of hypothetically banked dollars, perhaps ~10th might become plausible? #Post#: 462000-------------------------------------------------- Re: Cubs in ‘23 By: craig Date: October 17, 2022, 8:25 pm --------------------------------------------------------- I do wonder whether there might be some league-wide increase in spending? After two summers of Covid, then uncertainty with how long lockout would remain and what the new CBA would entail, might some teams have been a little guarded? In other words, if they hypothetically spent Jeff's hypothetical, which was ~10th last year, might that perhaps still only put them into 13-15th this upcoming year? #Post#: 462001-------------------------------------------------- Re: Cubs in ‘23 By: craig Date: October 17, 2022, 8:45 pm --------------------------------------------------------- I also wonder how they process Heyward? Obviously mlb bills him for 2023. But I wonder whether in a sense "banked dollars" were accounted to erase Heyward obligation? It's interesting that Stroman's deal drops by $4 in 24. Add that to Hendricks and Heyward, and it's $40 coming off. Happ and Hoerner are the only meaningful guys in the Arb stage. Hoerner will be Arb 1 this year. So he'll inflate. But other than relief pitchers or Madrigal, it's a couple years out before built-in arb-inflation will start to be significant. ***************************************************** (DIR) Next Page