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#Post#: 231303--------------------------------------------------
Piano playing in public and free speech
By: northbayteky Date: January 22, 2024, 12:47 pm
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(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/live/65iwnI2hjAA?si=dgwNvtB5ekHshX5K
I'm sharing this video in the hope you all will watch it, share
it and maybe have a discussion here.
The pianist/youtuber is playing a piano in what looks like maybe
an airport mall. It appears to be a typical mall you might see
in the US. There's lots of people dragging luggage behind them,
which make me wonder if it's an airport. This is in the UK. This
guy just plays a piano in public and people around either join
him at the piano and play or they dance to his tunes.
Anyway, this video features visitors from another country,
clearly allowing themselves to be filmed and then tell the
pianist to stop filming them (their group.) He declines, reminds
them they are in a free country.
Anyway, give it a view. He's going to be on a talk show tonight,
Jan 22. I'm just doing my part to spread an honest to goodness
free speech discussion.
When in Rome, do as the Romans.Roman's.
I forgot to mention, the CCCP is trying to get this video
removed. To which I say, they can FATWO
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Re: Piano playing in public and free speech
By: Thetis099 Date: January 22, 2024, 2:57 pm
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[quote author=northbayteky link=topic=2478.msg231303#msg231303
date=1705949253]
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/live/65iwnI2hjAA?si=dgwNvtB5ekHshX5K
I'm sharing this video in the hope you all will watch it, share
it and maybe have a discussion here.
The pianist/youtuber is playing a piano in what looks like maybe
an airport mall. It appears to be a typical mall you might see
in the US. There's lots of people dragging luggage behind them,
which make me wonder if it's an airport. This is in the UK. This
guy just plays a piano in public and people around either join
him at the piano and play or they dance to his tunes.
Anyway, this video features visitors from another country,
clearly allowing themselves to be filmed and then tell the
pianist to stop filming them (their group.) He declines, reminds
them they are in a free country.
Anyway, give it a view. He's going to be on a talk show tonight,
Jan 22. I'm just doing my part to spread an honest to goodness
free speech discussion.
When in Rome, do as the Romans.Roman's.
I forgot to mention, the CCCP is trying to get this video
removed. To which I say, they can FATWO
[/quote]
Thank you for sharing this. I'm on his side.
I was filmed during a live broadcast by a local news crew once
(one of many people in the background of the live shot) and not
a soul asked for my permission before or after, not even in
tight-assed Texas. I assumed it was up to me to fuck off if I
didn't want to be on the news. I imagine someone was paid for
that video too, which also covers the making money from the
image part of their BS. He was fine. They came off as very
entitled IMHO. Good for Brendan for keeping the live stream
going until it was over.
I liked and subscribed and shared. What talk show? I want to
see if I can watch.
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Re: Piano playing in public and free speech
By: northbayteky Date: January 22, 2024, 4:27 pm
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Well, Brendan is in the UK and I believe the show is there. When
I saw the video with the talk show info, he mentioned the name
and time. I figured 8:30 his time would be noon 30 here, so I
didn't make note of the name of the talk show. Maybe he'll link
it on his channel later.
#Post#: 231400--------------------------------------------------
Re: Piano playing in public and free speech
By: animaniactoo Date: January 22, 2024, 4:54 pm
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I think multiple things are true:
1) It is a free speech issue and if they didn't want to be in
the video, they should have moved along as soon as they saw that
the space was being filmed.
2) The minder started off by politely requesting not being on
the video, but didn't stay polite for long and moved very
quickly to "legality" which sunk the entire thing.
3) The guy ABSOLUTELY made it racial when he started talking
about China and Chinese government and communism. None of that
was necessary for his point - and it did make things much worse
IMO.
4) The minder did a masterful job of trying to redirect the
entire situation by starting to yell about touching when they
were basically up in his face and it was clear that he was only
pointing to the flag.
5) He was 100% correct about the policewoman's request to turn
the camera off. That is also a matter of free speech.
6) Police acting to calm an issue is not necessarily acting as
their private security and he's wrong for throwing that charge
as well (even if it had some slim basis for being said... it was
pretty slim at the point that he started talking about it
because at that point she was only trying to mediate the
situation).
So... basically. He's in the right on the legality of it, and
he's also an asshole who took it to places that it didn't need
to go and escalated just as much as they did.
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Re: Piano playing in public and free speech
By: MidwestmikkiJ Date: January 22, 2024, 5:24 pm
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I only made it through a third or so. It appeared to me by then
that the piano guy was trying to drum up some controversy so I
gave up. He had no reason thst I could see to keep pointing out
the group of Chinese people.
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Re: Piano playing in public and free speech
By: NoLongerAubergine Date: January 22, 2024, 6:48 pm
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[quote author=MidwestmikkiJ link=topic=2478.msg231410#msg231410
date=1705965892]
I only made it through a third or so. It appeared to me by then
that the piano guy was trying to drum up some controversy so I
gave up. He had no reason thst I could see to keep pointing out
the group of Chinese people.
[/quote]
I didn't get that far, partly for that reason, which was obvious
from the outset. But mainly because I have no idea what UK's
free speech laws are. I know they are not as robust as ours,
since I've seen reports of defamation/libel cases brought and
won there that would not have been even brought here.
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Re: Piano playing in public and free speech
By: Thetis099 Date: January 22, 2024, 6:58 pm
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I agree the guy was being more of a dick than was useful, but so
what? He can be a dick, can't he? We don't have to like or
agree with what he says, do we? I admit, I don't know what the
laws are there, but the lack of interest in him by the police is
a good clue that he broke no laws, so as far as I can tell, he
can probably say it. There may be negative consequences for him
in the future.
In our country, I don't even want to wade into the quagmire -
who gets to decide what we can and can't say beyond outlawing
speech that incites violence and hate speech, the latter being
about as hard to define exactly as pornography.
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Re: Piano playing in public and free speech
By: Thetis099 Date: January 22, 2024, 7:01 pm
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[quote author=NoLongerAubergine
link=topic=2478.msg231415#msg231415 date=1705970907]
[quote author=MidwestmikkiJ link=topic=2478.msg231410#msg231410
date=1705965892]
I only made it through a third or so. It appeared to me by then
that the piano guy was trying to drum up some controversy so I
gave up. He had no reason thst I could see to keep pointing out
the group of Chinese people.
[/quote]
I didn't get that far, partly for that reason, which was obvious
from the outset. But mainly because I have no idea what UK's
free speech laws are. I know they are not as robust as ours,
since I've seen reports of defamation/libel cases brought and
won there that would not have been even brought here.
[/quote]
I thought both sides were trying to drum up controversy to try
and strengthen their positions. I don't think he was trying to
grab for her hand.
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Re: Piano playing in public and free speech
By: NoLongerAubergine Date: January 22, 2024, 7:29 pm
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Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough. I did not watch the
video beyond the brief intro. I had understood that it was
mainly about people objecting to being filmed. In the U.S.,
there is no expectation of privacy in public spaces. In
addition, businesses are allowed to set rules for conduct within
their walls. I have no idea what the rules are in the UK for the
specific space they were in. If there was more to it than that,
I did not see it. And I did not see any reason to get
emotionally invested without some basic facts, which from other
descriptions of the video it seemed were not provided. I wasn't
up for that.
#Post#: 231421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Piano playing in public and free speech
By: kkt Date: January 22, 2024, 7:37 pm
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[quote author=northbayteky link=topic=2478.msg231303#msg231303
date=1705949253]
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/live/65iwnI2hjAA?si=dgwNvtB5ekHshX5K
I'm sharing this video in the hope you all will watch it, share
it and maybe have a discussion here.
The pianist/youtuber is playing a piano in what looks like maybe
an airport mall. It appears to be a typical mall you might see
in the US. There's lots of people dragging luggage behind them,
which make me wonder if it's an airport. This is in the UK. This
guy just plays a piano in public and people around either join
him at the piano and play or they dance to his tunes.
Anyway, this video features visitors from another country,
clearly allowing themselves to be filmed and then tell the
pianist to stop filming them (their group.) He declines, reminds
them they are in a free country.
Anyway, give it a view. He's going to be on a talk show tonight,
Jan 22. I'm just doing my part to spread an honest to goodness
free speech discussion.
When in Rome, do as the Romans.Roman's.
I forgot to mention, the CCCP is trying to get this video
removed. To which I say, they can FATWO
[/quote]
I think that's St. Pancras Station in London.
If they didn't want their faces shown they could easily have
walked far enough from from the camera not to be recognizable.
Confronting the piano players is going to make them more
noticeable, not less. Truly, walking through a major city
anywhere in the world, including China, today without getting
your face on cameras is not going to happen.
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