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Newbe question - Lionel 8601
By: Gustav30 Date: January 3, 2015, 10:07 am
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Hi everyone, first post here. I just started unboxing my
father-in-laws O gauge train collection, that haven't been used
in over 20 years. I've cleaned most of is O27 track and have a
few locomotives running fine. I've just unboxed the Lionel
8601, or at least it says 8601 on the train itself, see
pictures. When I ran it, it looks like there might have been
the remnants of some steam pellets inside since we noticed some
"smoke" coming out.
I turned the engine off and flipped the one switch on the
bottom, figuring that might be a steam on/off button. But when
I flipped that switch, the engine doesn't move. Lights turn on
only.
Do you think that switch is for reverse only and not steam?
I've tried pinning down more info on this steam engine, but
nothing on the model that only had one switch.
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Thanks in advance!
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Re: Newbe question - Lionel 8601
By: TrainLarry Date: January 3, 2015, 8:57 pm
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Welcome to the forum!
The switch on the locomotive is for the electronic reverse unit
board only. By moving the switch, you locked the engine in
neutral. Slide the switch to the original position to get the
locomotive to run and sequence again.
To lock the engine in forward, sequence the engine with the
transformer to go in reverse, then into neutral. Shut off power,
slide the switch over, and now the loco will be locked in the
following mode, which is forward.
Most steam locomotives do not have any on-off switch for the
smoke unit. Only some newer locomotives with fan driven smoke
units have a separate switch for the smoke unit.
Larry
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Re: Newbe question - Lionel 8601
By: Gustav30 Date: January 4, 2015, 12:20 pm
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Thanks! That did the trick. That locomotive is running
smoothly now!
I have another question, and didn't want to open a new thread.
I also just unwrapped a Santa Fe 212 engine. I noticed that the
gears don't move in any position, by hand or on track. I've
taken the armature out and it is filled with gunk. Tried
cleaning as best I can. When the armature is out the gears on
the truck turn fine by hand, but once I put the armature back
in, the gears won't budge. (I also have a trolley that is in
the same situation, where it hardly moves by hand).
It sems to be the gear bolt that comes through the armature
itself that is causing the lockup(first pic).
Or I could be wrong as I am new to all this and am trying to
learn as much as I can. Any advice for getting the 212 to run
turn freely? Attached are some pics of the armature and from
underneath as well as what I have running so far.
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Re: Newbe question - Lionel 8601
By: TrainLarry Date: January 4, 2015, 3:48 pm
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Glad to hear that your 8601 is running now.
The gear on the armature shaft is part of, and cut into, the
armature shaft itself.
The gear and motor setup on that locomotive, and most diesels
with vertically mounted motors, will not turn by hand when
turning the wheels when fully assembled. Steam locos are
manufactured with a different motor/gear setup, so you can turn
the wheels by hand.
Use hardware store naphtha to clean off all old grease and oil
from the armature, brush holder, gears, wheels, pickup rollers
and track.
Replace any worn motor brushes if necessary. Oil both ends of
the armature shaft, axle and gear bearings. Add a little grease
to the gears, and the loco should run like new.
Larry
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Re: Newbe question - Lionel 8601
By: Gustav30 Date: January 4, 2015, 9:05 pm
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Thanks Larry.
One thing I noticed that I captured in the first picture above
of the armature, is that there looks like a wire broke off.
When I look at the armature I see 2 other copper wires that are
connected to the top, but this one appears to be broken off. In
the pic above it kind of looks like the copper wire might be
hidden behind some grime, but in fact it's broken off. I'm
thinking it's important and needs to be wired on? Just not sure
if that would stop the motor from running?
Thanks
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Re: Newbe question - Lionel 8601
By: TrainLarry Date: January 4, 2015, 11:03 pm
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The copper section on top of the armature is called a
commutator, and is divided into 3 sections for our motors. There
are 3 windings on the armature, and one end of each winding gets
soldered to its' corresponding commutator section. If you notice
one wire not soldered to a commutator section, it must be
repaired, or the motor will not run. Most likely the wire gets
soldered to the tab on the commutator section visible in the
photo.
Larry
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Re: Newbe question - Lionel 8601
By: Gustav30 Date: January 5, 2015, 7:26 pm
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Quick question as I'm cleaning the armature, and before I go to
far. I'm wondering what is under the commutator? Like in this
picture here:
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or here:
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Is that crud and old grease, or is it some kind of padding that
Lionel had put in?
Kind of silly question but before I start digging it all out
with a toothpick.. I've yet to find one in my google travels of
a super clean mint armature!
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Re: Newbe question - Lionel 8601
By: TrainLarry Date: January 5, 2015, 7:53 pm
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What you observe is an insulating material to keep the
commutator from shorting out on the steel field pole pieces.
Leave it intact.
Larry
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Re: Newbe question - Lionel 8601
By: Gustav30 Date: January 5, 2015, 9:02 pm
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Thanks I will leave that as is.
Regarding the Santa Fe armature with the wire that needs to be
soldered to the commutator, I'm finding that the wire is too
short. Can't be pulled up far enough to the commutator without
fear of snapping it. Am I out of luck on this? I fear my
limited skills have reached their limit! A picture I took trying
to show where the wire ends.
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Re: Newbe question - Lionel 8601
By: TrainLarry Date: January 6, 2015, 5:06 am
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Simply unwrap the broken wire one turn from around the winding.
The wire will now be too long. Put the wire next to the solder
tab and trim to length, leaving it a bit too long. Look at the
other 2 windings and just copy what you see.
Larry
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