(DIR) Return Create A Forum - Home --------------------------------------------------------- Love God Only (HTM) https://lovegodonly.createaforum.com --------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************** (DIR) Return to: Women's Isses ***************************************************** #Post#: 15430-------------------------------------------------- Egyptian Cleric Says Female Mutilation Has Economic Benefits By: Kerry Date: July 3, 2017, 6:24 am --------------------------------------------------------- (HTM) http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/07/01/egyptian-cleric-says-female-genital-mutilation-is-good-for-the-economy/ Sheikh Abd Al-Wahhab Al-Maligi, an Egyptian cleric, appeared on the Al-Seha Wal-Jamal TV channel this past March and argued that female genital mutilation was perfectly fine because there was an economic benefit to it. He said this among other things: The discussion about female circumcision goes back to the past century. The first time that this subject was debated extensively was in the past century. Who were the first to talk about it? The Jews. They do not want Islam or the Muslims to be pure, develop, and civilized, So they started talking about it. In The Protocols of the Elders of Zion it is written: “We must strive for the collapse of morals, so that it will be easier for us to dominate the world.” They tell you that female circumcision causes infertility. Says who? How can female circumcision cause infertility?! Egyptian women are circumcised, yet they give birth more than all the other mothers in the world. So how can this cause infertility? It is the uncircumcised women of Europe who are infertile. Allah be praised! Are there any economic benefits to female circumcision? Yes! What are the economic benefits of female circumcision? Female circumcision is a preventative medical measure. Someone who is uncircumcised will be afflicted with many serious diseases, which we will discuss later, Allah willing. Someone who contracts one of these diseases must spend money, and the state must spend money on his treatment, and so on. But we can save all this money and direct it elsewhere. So this constitutes preventative medicine. Now he said that on an Egyptian television station; and female circumcision is against the law in Egypt. Although the law is often ignored, the Egyptian parliament toughened the penalties last year. (HTM) http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/middleeast/egypt-law-fgm/index.html Egypt has brought into effect an amended law that toughens penalties on those who perform female genital mutilation, a practice that reportedly affects over 90% of Egyptian women, the health ministry announced. The government this week told both state and privately-run health facilities that medics who carry out the procedure could now face up to 15 years in jail. Parents who subject their daughters to circumcision could get a three-year prison sentence. "The prosecutor general issued a memo to all prosecutors, emphasizing the importance of investigating all FGM cases," Mayssa Shawky, the deputy health minister, told CNN on Wednesday by phone. Before the amendment, the law defined FGM as a misdemeanour with a maximum sentence of three years in prison. It was rarely applied. Only two cases involving FGM-related deaths were referred to court since the law was issued in 2008. In light of the recent amendments, passed in the parliament in August, FGM is now considered a felony, with a minimum penalty of five years in prison. This video was made in March, but just posted to You Tube on June 3: (HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzgWK_MGYl As if his statements aren't already outrageous enough, he also quotes the "Protocols of Zion" to attack the Jews; and surely he should know that was a fake document. Then, closer home, there is an Imam in Virginia who said it prevents hyper-sexuality. (HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go17eR-Segk He was placed on leave. (HTM) http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/08/virginia-imam-placed-on-leave-after-endorsing-female-genital-mutilation.html endorsing female genital mutilation By Jason Kopp Published June 08, 2017 Fox News NOW PLAYING Ali: A lot of work to do in stopping genital mutilation A Virginia imam has been placed on leave after advocating for the controversial practice of female genital mutilation. Imam Shaker Elsayed of the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia, made the controversial comments on a video, posted to the center’s YouTube page, that has since been removed. It was first picked up by Middle East Research Media Institute (MEMRI), a non-profit that monitors and translates Iranian and Arab television channels, as well as sermons in the West. This man is amazing. He seemed to be advocating terrorism back in 2015 when talking to Ethiopians. I wonder why he wasn't fired then? (HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cErDppxEuTM I also wonder why he was investigated by the government. Perhaps he was. I suppose his mosque was when a member of that mosque was convicted of plotting to assassinate President Bush. (HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaker_Elsayed Elsayed described the 2002 hunt by federal agents for evidence against Sami Al-Arian as "a war on Muslim institutions." Al-Arian ultimately made a plea agreement, pleading guilty to conspiracy to help a "specially designated terrorist" organization, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. When three defendants who were part of the Virginia Jihad Network were convicted in March 2004 of conspiring to help wage violent jihad in Kashmir and possibly against American troops in Afghanistan, Elsayed said "It is evident that Muslims should not expect justice. Muslims are besieged after 9/11, for no fault of their own." In April 2005 Ali Al-Timimi went on trial for treason for verbally encouraging people to train for jihad and to attack the US. Elsayed said: "He is not accused of anything except talking. It's all about him saying something. If this isn't a First Amendment issue, I don't know what is." After Al-Timini's conviction, Elsayed said that "Ali never opened a weapon or fired a shot, and he is going to get life imprisonment for talking. What kind of country are we turning the United States into today?" The man has a different concept of justice than I do. Some talk is unwise, and then some is also not lawful. I'd suggest he study American system of government more to see how no right is unlimited. There may be progress if this mosque was willing to take action at this latest statement. If you ask me, he's injuring the reputation of other Muslims with such extreme views. His kind of talk makes their lives harder, not easier. #Post#: 15431-------------------------------------------------- Re: Egyptian Cleric Says Female Mutilation Has Economic Benefits By: paralambano Date: July 3, 2017, 7:15 am --------------------------------------------------------- Ya. Some just need others, male and female that they can boss. para . . . . #Post#: 15438-------------------------------------------------- Re: Egyptian Cleric Says Female Mutilation Has Economic Benefits By: HOLLAND Date: July 3, 2017, 7:00 pm --------------------------------------------------------- ^^^It's hard to understand this practice of female circumcision. I understand that it is rooted more in tribal practice rather than Islamic law. But traditions die hard in the face of modernity . . . #Post#: 15496-------------------------------------------------- Re: Egyptian Cleric Says Female Mutilation Has Economic Benefits By: guest6 Date: July 13, 2017, 6:00 pm --------------------------------------------------------- This pretty much sums it up. The practice is rooted in gender inequality, attempts to control women's sexuality, and ideas about purity, modesty and beauty. It is usually initiated and carried out by women, who see it as a source of honour, and who fear that failing to have their daughters and granddaughters cut will expose the girls to social exclusion. Health effects depend on the procedure. They can include recurrent infections, difficulty urinating and passing menstrual flow, chronic pain, the development of cysts, an inability to get pregnant, complications during childbirth, and fatal bleeding. There are no known health benefits. *****************************************************