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#Post#: 20214--------------------------------------------------
Lib Columnist Pleads With Dems: Give Trump ‘His F****** Wall’ or
We’re Finished
By: BJ Date: July 6, 2018, 7:03 am
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New York magazine recently published a piece supporting
President Donald Trump’s border wall — and the article did not
have a dateline of April 1.
Yes, it’s true — an Op-Ed piece by a fierce Trump critic in the
liberal publication has urged Democrats to support the building
of a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.
Andrew Sullivan wrote last month that allowing construction of a
wall is probably the first step in alleviating the crush of
families trying to enter the U.S. illegally and how to handle
them after being detained.
Admittedly, Sullivan does not believe a wall will truly work to
stop illegal immigration. But he does believe that Democrats
giving in to the biggest item Trump promised voters on the first
day of his presidential campaign is a necessary first step of
trying to fix what’s causing the current border crisis.
“If you do not want to jail kids with their parents
indefinitely, or to maintain the incentive for illegal migrants
to bring kids along for the harrowing ride, you need some sort
of congressional action and soon,” Sullivan said. “There’s
something deeply wrong, it seems to me, with expressing the view
that what the government is doing is barbaric and yet allowing
the underlying cause of it to continue for political reasons. If
that’s the case, then Trump is not the only one using kids as
pawns. Chuck Schumer is too.”
Sullivan also urges Democrats to open their eyes and realize
that tougher stances on immigration are what the majority of
voters want to see.
“The Democrats need to accept that they lost the last
presidential election for a reason, and that their opponent’s
main campaign pledge was to tackle illegal immigration, with a
wall at the southern border as the centerpiece,” Sullivan said.
“Completely resisting a legitimate agenda based on a clear
campaign promise — well, it reminds me of the Republicans with
Obamacare.
“And there is clearly an adamant, persistent segment of the
public that sees the crisis of illegal immigration as a vital
one. They’re not alone. Cast an eye at Brexit Britain, newly
populist Italy, Macron’s France, and even Merkel’s Germany as it
heaves in response to mass immigration from the developing
world. This is a huge force in Western politics in every
country. It may be the primary one.
“Finding the right balance between reason and compassion is
essential if we are not going to further tear this country
apart, or witness ever more humanitarian catastrophes, or see
what’s left of the West go under.”
Sullivan said allowing Trump to build the wall will not only
allow Democrats to win some points with the middle class, it
will also allow Democrats to negotiate for real immigration
reform.
“So give him his f—g wall. He won the election. He is owed
this,” Sullivan said. “It may never be completed; it may not
work, as hoped. But it is now the only way to reassure a
critical mass of Americans that mass immigration is under
control, and the only way to make any progress under this
president. And until the white working and middle classes are
reassured, we (Democrats) will get nowhere.
“Don’t give it to him for nothing, of course. It should come
with a full path to citizenship for all DACA immigrants … But it
should also go bigger: a legislative fix for Flores; massive new
funding for detention facilities, humane family-friendly
housing, and, above all, much more money for the immigration
legal system, now completely overwhelmed by asylum cases. If
Democrats can show they want to deal with the humanitarian
problem as a whole, and are willing to compromise on the wall,
they’ll be in a much stronger position going forward than in the
recent past.”
Sullivan says if Democrats want to boot Trump out of the White
House in 2020, they have to avoid the mistake Hillary Clinton
made in the last campaign by labeling anyone who spoke against
an “open borders” policy as a racist. He says employing a stance
on illegal immigration that can be spun as compassionate while
having the nation’s best interest in mind is the recipe to a
2020 victory.
“The Democrats who are currently posturing are playing a good
card badly. They give off the appearance, as Hillary Clinton
did, of making no distinction between legal and illegal
immigration, favoring de facto open borders, and calling anyone
who disagrees with them a white supremacist,” Sullivan wrote.
“Until they recognize that illegal immigration is a huge and
legitimate problem, and until they propose a set of actual
policy proposals to end it humanely and efficiently, they run
the risk of another 2016 in 2020.”
Sullivan is far from the first person to try and explain common
sense to Democrats, but it would probably surprise a lot of Dems
to learn just how many people actually believe it’s smart and
prudent for the U.S. to have some say over who comes into the
country.
Legal immigration has played a big part in the success of the
U.S., and illegal immigration is a tremendous drain on the
country’s resources. That doesn’t seem like such a hard lesson
to learn, but if Trump’s critics are finally admitting it, then
maybe Republicans are finally getting their point across.
#Post#: 20217--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lib Columnist Pleads With Dems: Give Trump ‘His F****** Wall
’ or We’re Finished
By: EarlGrayHot Date: July 6, 2018, 7:57 am
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Nonsense. The wall is a total boondoggle and will not only not
work but it is a really stupid and needless expense. Instead,
we should make use of other proven electronic means of
monitoring the border. We have drones for God's sake!
Besides, giving a stupid bully what he wants is not going to
make him more amenable to reasonable approaches to anything.
Stop the wall and stand up to this idiot.
#Post#: 20491--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lib Columnist Pleads With Dems: Give Trump ‘His F****** Wall
’ or We’re Finished
By: guest700 Date: July 9, 2018, 12:03 am
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Nah, I'm pretty happy with fighting it in court. Ya know the
way it's supposed to be done. Besides, his own party in
congress doesn't even want him to have the wall. They just
don't have the balls to stand up to him and his Trumpkin
bullies.
#Post#: 20507--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lib Columnist Pleads With Dems: Give Trump ‘His F****** Wall
’ or We’re Finished
By: guest482 Date: July 9, 2018, 12:22 pm
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LOL
As if the “Wall” would ever prevent anyone from coming to
America!🤣
Such a waste of time and money.
Nothing will change as long as we have King Cheeto in the White
House.
#Post#: 20510--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lib Columnist Pleads With Dems: Give Trump ‘His F****** Wall
’ or We’re Finished
By: Brainysmurf Date: July 9, 2018, 12:43 pm
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Just put up hundred foot tall letters spelling "Trump' and he'll
be happy. that's all he wants, his name.
#Post#: 20682--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lib Columnist Pleads With Dems: Give Trump ‘His F****** Wall
’ or We’re Finished
By: SisterAct Date: July 10, 2018, 11:09 am
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Trump is not a Republican. He used the party for his own gain.
Nothing he says or supports indicates either social or fiscal
conservatism, especially the wall.
#Post#: 22953--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lib Columnist Pleads With Dems: Give Trump ‘His F****** Wall
’ or We’re Finished
By: EarlGrayHot Date: July 27, 2018, 8:33 am
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No. Trump doesn't NEED that stupid wall and no one should be
paying for it! It's a really dumb idea when there are better
ways to monitor the border. This is the electronic age and we
have electronic means of securing the border without a wall.
#Post#: 23090--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lib Columnist Pleads With Dems: Give Trump ‘His F****** Wall
’ or We’re Finished
By: MyLady Date: July 28, 2018, 10:36 am
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[font=arial]And then what? The drone sees them, border patrol
nabs them, then we either:[/font]
[font=arial]a) send them back where they will once again
illegally try and cross, or [/font]
[font=arial]b) (my favorite) we let them stay and give them a
court date of which they never show up (on purpose) and they
disappear (which is what happened to all those "missing
children") and the cycle just keeps going.[/font]
[quote author=EarlGrayHot link=topic=1290.msg20217#msg20217
date=1530881847]
Nonsense. The wall is a total boondoggle and will not only not
work but it is a really stupid and needless expense. Instead,
we should make use of other proven electronic means of
monitoring the border. We have drones for God's sake!
Besides, giving a stupid bully what he wants is not going to
make him more amenable to reasonable approaches to anything.
Stop the wall and stand up to this idiot.
[/quote]
#Post#: 23163--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lib Columnist Pleads With Dems: Give Trump ‘His F****** Wall
’ or We’re Finished
By: vic270 Date: July 28, 2018, 7:18 pm
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[quote author=Sansa link=topic=1290.msg23090#msg23090
date=1532792204]
[font=arial]And then what? The drone sees them, border patrol
nabs them, then we either:[/font]
[font=arial]a) send them back where they will once again
illegally try and cross, or [/font]
[font=arial]b) (my favorite) we let them stay and give them a
court date of which they never show up (on purpose) and they
disappear (which is what happened to all those "missing
children") and the cycle just keeps going.[/font]
Your favorite is the choice of those who oppose the wall. This
doesn't work, never did, never will!
"Build That Wall"..
[quote author=EarlGrayHot link=topic=1290.msg20217#msg20217
date=1530881847]
Nonsense. The wall is a total boondoggle and will not only not
work but it is a really stupid and needless expense. Instead,
we should make use of other proven electronic means of
monitoring the border. We have drones for God's sake!
Besides, giving a stupid bully what he wants is not going to
make him more amenable to reasonable approaches to anything.
Stop the wall and stand up to this idiot.
[/quote]
[/quote]
#Post#: 25883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lib Columnist Pleads With Dems: Give Trump ‘His F****** Wall
’ or We’re Finished
By: EarlGrayHot Date: August 21, 2018, 10:09 am
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Bullshit. Trump doesn't deserve any stupid wall. There are far
better ways to secure our borders. Only a moron would think a
wall would be effective.
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