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#Post#: 1455--------------------------------------------------
Texas School Shooter Will Not Face Death Penalty, Will Be Eligib
le for Parole
By: handy0318 Date: May 20, 2018, 10:26 am
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Due to a 2005 SCOTUS ruling that those under 18 do not have the
cognitive development to fully realize the impact of their
actions, 17 year old Dimitrios Pagourtzis, though he will be
tried as an adult, will not face the death penalty and could be
paroled after 40 years.
I'm not for the death penalty in too many cases and certainly
not when a teenager is being convicted. To me, life in prison,
even if a possibility for parole after 4 decades, is a just
punishment for a person this young.
Thoughts?
#Post#: 1468--------------------------------------------------
Re: Texas School Shooter Will Not Face Death Penalty, Will Be El
igible for Parole
By: Murdocs_Mistress Date: May 20, 2018, 10:51 am
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[font=verdana]This is one of those damned if you do and damned
if you don't situations. While I do believe by 17, one clearly
understands what they're doing and whether or not it's wrong, I
also don't think minors should be treated as adults when crimes
are committed. It's already known that full cognitive
development doesn't stop until well into your mid-20's and this
includes decision making skills and reasoning abilities.[/font]
#Post#: 1713--------------------------------------------------
Re: Texas School Shooter Will Not Face Death Penalty, Will Be El
igible for Parole
By: JaniceLitman Date: May 20, 2018, 3:31 pm
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I posted this on the reddit group.
The thing that worries me personally is that I’m about 30
minutes from that school. I don’t want that kid walking around
town with my friends and family. He seems like a loose cannon
On the other hand, like the previous person said I don’t think
at 17 he truly comprehends what he did. I don’t think any 17
year old does. Doesn’t mean he should walk away scot free but we
do have to look at this from all angles.
#Post#: 1739--------------------------------------------------
Re: Texas School Shooter Will Not Face Death Penalty, Will Be El
igible for Parole
By: handy0318 Date: May 20, 2018, 3:49 pm
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I don't think he'll be walking around anytime soon. I'm sure
with all they have on him, he'll be away for a long time.
It's hard to know exactly what is best for these troubled kids
who do this. Him being in prison...and all that is going to
entail for a young guy...for the next 40 years doesn't seem like
it will lead to any kind of rehabilitation.
But, as you say, he can't be let off scot free.
We need to get a much better handle on why so many of these kids
are doing this, so we can perhaps stop them before it's too
late.
[quote author=JaniceLitman link=topic=172.msg1713#msg1713
date=1526848285]
I posted this on the reddit group.
The thing that worries me personally is that I’m about 30
minutes from that school. I don’t want that kid walking around
town with my friends and family. He seems like a loose cannon
On the other hand, like the previous person said I don’t think
at 17 he truly comprehends what he did. I don’t think any 17
year old does. Doesn’t mean he should walk away scot free but we
do have to look at this from all angles.
[/quote]
#Post#: 2137--------------------------------------------------
Re: Texas School Shooter Will Not Face Death Penalty, Will Be El
igible for Parole
By: JaniceLitman Date: May 20, 2018, 10:16 pm
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Bullying. We really need to get a better handle on bullying.
Back when I was In school in the 80s and 90s bullying was bad
but we didn’t have social media and text messaging and everyone
with phones. Things have gotten tougher for kids who are
bullied. We need to fix that.
We also need better mental health help
#Post#: 3806--------------------------------------------------
Re: Texas School Shooter Will Not Face Death Penalty, Will Be El
igible for Parole
By: CrystalSapphire Date: May 23, 2018, 5:07 pm
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From what I read about this shooting, the shooter was angry for
being publicly rejected by a girl he had been heavily pursuing
for 4 months. She finally told him off in front of the class.
She was an art student (that's why he targeted the art classes)
and his first victim. Something needs to be done by all this
entitlement.
Prison is going to be very hard for him.
#Post#: 3835--------------------------------------------------
Re: Texas School Shooter Will Not Face Death Penalty, Will Be El
igible for Parole
By: cellomom26 Date: May 23, 2018, 6:29 pm
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Life in prison is justified.
17 year old knew exactly what he was doing. Stop coddling
criminals and protect innocent citizens.
#Post#: 4017--------------------------------------------------
Re: Texas School Shooter Will Not Face Death Penalty, Will Be El
igible for Parole
By: shnuppyTups Date: May 24, 2018, 5:25 am
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I am not at all sure that this is purely about bullying. It
will be a long time (usually) before more information comes out
about what was really going on with this kid.
I don't think this kid will ever get out of jail. I think any
parole will be denied. There would be a huge public outcry, and
a very unpopular (elected) judge otherwise.
Usually, when we see news reports that some 'heinous' criminal
was 'released too soon,' it isn't the whole story. Quite often,
the person was only charged with far lesser charges and the
length of the sentence was within sentencing guidelines. Judges
have to follow the sentencing guidelines. They don't get to
choose. Even within the range of the sentencing guidelines
(like 7-12 years, say) there are factors of the crime they have
to take into account; they have to follow a standardized plan
for determining the length of sentence.
[quote author=CrystalSapphire link=topic=172.msg3806#msg3806
date=1527113240]
From what I read about this shooting, the shooter was angry for
being publicly rejected by a girl he had been heavily pursuing
for 4 months. She finally told him off in front of the class.
She was an art student (that's why he targeted the art classes)
and his first victim. Something needs to be done by all this
entitlement.
Prison is going to be very hard for him.
[/quote]
#Post#: 16887--------------------------------------------------
Re: Texas School Shooter Will Not Face Death Penalty, Will Be El
igible for Parole
By: PiscesFishy Date: June 19, 2018, 2:07 am
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[quote author=JaniceLitman link=topic=172.msg2137#msg2137
date=1526872580]
Bullying. We really need to get a better handle on bullying.
Back when I was In school in the 80s and 90s bullying was bad
but we didn’t have social media and text messaging and everyone
with phones. Things have gotten tougher for kids who are
bullied. We need to fix that.
We also need better mental health help
[/quote]
What about all those weird ass incels?
How do we get a hold on those shooters?
#Post#: 16919--------------------------------------------------
Re: Texas School Shooter Will Not Face Death Penalty, Will Be El
igible for Parole
By: CandTmom Date: June 19, 2018, 8:20 am
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He killed 10 people. He should never get out
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