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Pond Yachts
By: Oberlok Date: October 5, 2021, 2:24 am
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As this section has "Pond Yachts" in its title, I take the
liberty to post a few photos of my (astonishingly fast growing
::) ) collection of pond yachts - even though they are
definitely not steam driven...
First a family photo of my Greiner yachts (Alexander Greiner,
Steinach, Thüringen):
[attachimg=1]
From left to right:
Greiner Model 378 in the 32cm version (probably built in DDR/GDR
times, around 1970). I restored it - when it lost its two yellow
lines, which I regret, as they were the hallmark of the second
largest version. Here a photo of its original state.
[attachimg=2]
IN the middle: Greiner Model 817, rare, 1933-1940, missing its
jib, wooden keel with movable rudder (no tiller!). With a jury
rig, because it looks so dismal with the mast down and the
original rigging hanging limply overboard...
Greiner Model 252, 47 cm version, with the (G) hallmark, and the
specific keel of the post 1960 production.
And a photo of my Scottish Ailsa yacht, in need of TLC:
[attachimg=3]
There is also the hull of a battered Bowman "Admiral" waiting
for restoration in the basement...
Regards
Thomas
#Post#: 45606--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pond Yachts
By: Tony Bird Date: October 5, 2021, 2:58 am
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Hi Thomas,
It is getting to be a bit of a collection you are bound to get
hooked!
Take care Tony.
#Post#: 45613--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pond Yachts
By: Oberlok Date: October 5, 2021, 6:27 am
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[quote author=Tony Bird link=topic=4883.msg45606#msg45606
date=1633420719]
Hi Thomas,
It is getting to be a bit of a collection you are bound to get
hooked!
Take care Tony.
[/quote]
Thank you - but hooked I am already, for sure...
#Post#: 45617--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pond Yachts
By: tenniV11 Date: October 5, 2021, 1:28 pm
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Ja Thomas - ein gewisses Suchtverhalten ist schon ersichtlich...
Schöne Collection - jetzt brauchts Du nur noch einen Teich mit
leichter Brise. Meine "Pond-Yacht" kurz vor dem Auswassern (Baum
schon demontiert)
Gruss Arnold ;D
google translater:
Yes, Thomas - a certain addictive behavior is already evident
...
Nice collection - now all you need is a pond
and a light breeze.
[attachimg=1]
#Post#: 45629--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pond Yachts
By: Oberlok Date: October 6, 2021, 2:49 am
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Hello Arnold,
your Dragon is slightly bigger then my pond fleet ;)
To fight my addiction I am about to go sailing today ;D
#Post#: 46278--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pond Yachts
By: txlabman Date: November 1, 2021, 9:34 am
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Thanks Thomas.
A really nice quartet of pond boats.
#Post#: 62133--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pond Yachts
By: dross Date: March 25, 2024, 7:27 pm
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This is a great collection! I'm glad I came across this post. I
just came into possession of I think a 378 in need of some
TLC... Any chance you would be willing to share some detailed
pictures of the rigging so That I might get it fixed as
accurately as possible. My grandmother-in-law gave it to me with
the goal of getting it back onto the water with my daughter,
niece, and nephew. Thanks in advance! [attachimg=1]
#Post#: 62227--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pond Yachts
By: Oberlok Date: March 28, 2024, 2:29 am
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[quote author=dross link=topic=4883.msg62133#msg62133
date=1711412856]
This is a great collection! I'm glad I came across this post. I
just came into possession of I think a 378 in need of some
TLC... Any chance you would be willing to share some detailed
pictures of the rigging so That I might get it fixed as
accurately as possible. My grandmother-in-law gave it to me with
the goal of getting it back onto the water with my daughter,
niece, and nephew. Thanks in advance! [attachimg=1]
[/quote]
Sorry, I have only now seen this post! Please allow for some
time until I give you some more facts - I am very busy
(re-launching my own small yacht for this season, no joke ;) )
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Re: Pond Yachts
By: Oberlok Date: March 28, 2024, 5:14 am
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Well, Dross, here we are with the information I could scrape
together:
I tend to agree (I choose my words carefully as I am not really
that experienced...) that this is a pond yacht produced by
Alexander Greiner, Steinach, Thuringia. The company was founded
already in the 19th century and by 1925 this was a well-known
producer of pond yachts and wooden toy boats, that exported
their products to many countries, including Britain and the US.
This looks like a Model 378, it should be about 32cm long (but
the length varies slightly). It is complete with all original
fittings, just the boom for the jib is missing (but the brass
clamp seems to be there - important, as it fixes the forestay.
So, if you drew a small security pin and lifted the bowsprit
from the clamp, you could fold away mast and rigging for your
hike to the next pond...).
The broken mast and the booms can easily be replaced, the boom
for the mainsail is fixed by a small wire hook to a ring at the
mast. If I see this correctly, this small pin is still hanging
from the ring...!! The red tip of the mast seems to have been a
AG or AGE (Alexander Greiner Export) hallmark. But the real
hallmark (a golden "G" on a red shield) is also visible on the
bow, if I am not mistaken.
Rigging, well... A problem, as most of the surviving boats were
re-rigged in their lives (perhaps several times) or show
improvised jury-rigs.
In the photo of my 378 above showing the un-restored state, you
see that the jib is directly attached to the boom and the mast
and thus serves as the forestay, a simple solution that seems to
be the original one. But I feel that the jib cannot be adjusted
well, so I have rigged a real forestay. Please excuse the coarse
red lines, I haven't found the time yet to replace them by more
appropriate ones...
I see that your boat has still one of the original red "bowsies"
(I love that word) attached to the port side shroud! Ingenious
little things that help to tighten the rigging easily.
If you need practical advice for the restoration of such boats,
I recommend
(HTM) https://www.birkenheadstaryachts.co.uk
(HTM) https://www.birkenheadstaryachts.co.uk
, especially the self-help section.
You will realize that Star Yachts and Greiner yachts bear some
resemblance, I don't know, if Greiner perhaps produced hulls for
Star of Birkenhead (Triang sold Kellner yachts from Leipzig und
their own name...). Well, there were quite similar boats made by
other East-German makers, e.g. Emil Bayern from Hämmern,
Thuringia. And now I must stop before I get carried away...
I add a (bad) copy of a photo from "Deutsche Spielschiffe / Toy
Boats of Germany", by Claude Bernard and Karl Greiner (!),
catalogue edition, Weltbuch-Verlag 2021. C. Bernard seems to be
the top expert in this field.
[attachimg=1]
[attachimg=2]
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Re: Pond Yachts
By: txlabman Date: March 28, 2024, 7:49 am
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Great response Thomas!
Lots of good information.
Thank you.
Charlie
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