(DIR) Return Create A Forum - Home --------------------------------------------------------- RateTheRef (HTM) https://ratetheref.createaforum.com --------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************** (DIR) Return to: Club chat ***************************************************** #Post#: 81355-------------------------------------------------- Gareth Southgate By: Acme Thunderer Date: July 16, 2024, 6:45 am --------------------------------------------------------- So Gareth has, perhaps unsurprisingly, decided to vacate the England job after 8 years. He has had many detractors over the years, but the facts speak for themselves, 3 semis and 2 finals since 2018, and we should be grateful to Gareth for that, as well as putting England back on the football map. I wish Gareth all the best for the future, whatever that holds, and thanks for the memories if not the behind-the-sofa moments in recent times. Who next? Howe, Potter, Klopp, Pep? It will be interesting to see which direction the FA take next. #Post#: 81357-------------------------------------------------- Re: Gareth Southgate By: Claretman Date: July 16, 2024, 8:11 am --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=6130.msg81355#msg81355 date=1721130310] So Gareth has, perhaps unsurprisingly, decided to vacate the England job after 8 years. He has had many detractors over the years, but the facts speak for themselves, 3 semis and 2 finals since 2018, and we should be grateful to Gareth for that, as well as putting England back on the football map. I wish Gareth all the best for the future, whatever that holds, and thanks for the memories if not the behind-the-sofa moments in recent times. Who next? Howe, Potter, Klopp, Pep? It will be interesting to see which direction the FA take next. [/quote] We thank Gareth for his tireless work over the last eight years, however he should have resigned after the last world cup finals in my opinion. Gareth has been a very lucky manager in terms of opposition we have played in major tournaments in his time and really we should have done better. When we came up against good teams we always failed, ie when we had three good teams in our Nations League group we got relegated. I fear Gareth is ydays man with ydays tactics who didnt have the courage to leave certain players out and think he has taken us as far as he can. We have become a team of individual moments rather than an impressive team. Good luck for the future Gareth and thankyou for all the hard work you have put in. #Post#: 81370-------------------------------------------------- Re: Gareth Southgate By: mac Date: July 16, 2024, 2:12 pm --------------------------------------------------------- As opposed to that England team of perennial winners and finalists before him?? #Post#: 81371-------------------------------------------------- Re: Gareth Southgate By: John Treleven Date: July 16, 2024, 2:42 pm --------------------------------------------------------- Did he miss out on a knighthood by one match? #Post#: 81373-------------------------------------------------- Re: Gareth Southgate By: rustyref Date: July 16, 2024, 4:51 pm --------------------------------------------------------- I listened to multiple ex-pros on talkSPORT today, including Stan Collymore, Emile Heskey and John Barnes, who all said pretty much the same thing. In that we might be looking back 10 years from now saying that Gareth Southgate was the most successful manager England have ever had in terms of competition progression. I do think it was time for Southgate to move on, but it is a risk. People forget that before he joined we were getting knocked out in group stages, last 16s, quarter finals, or even not qualifying at all. And I'm not buying the "we have the best team in Europe" argument, as very few of the current team would get into the team with the squad we had in 2008. Who of our current back 4 are getting in ahead of Neville, Cole, Terry and Ferdinand? Then add in Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Owen, etc. We have a very promising young squad, but expectations were way too high for this tournament. #Post#: 81376-------------------------------------------------- Re: Gareth Southgate By: Claretman Date: July 16, 2024, 6:04 pm --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=rustyref link=topic=6130.msg81373#msg81373 date=1721166678] I listened to multiple ex-pros on talkSPORT today, including Stan Collymore, Emile Heskey and John Barnes, who all said pretty much the same thing. In that we might be looking back 10 years from now saying that Gareth Southgate was the most successful manager England have ever had in terms of competition progression. I do think it was time for Southgate to move on, but it is a risk. People forget that before he joined we were getting knocked out in group stages, last 16s, quarter finals, or even not qualifying at all. And I'm not buying the "we have the best team in Europe" argument, as very few of the current team would get into the team with the squad we had in 2008. Who of our current back 4 are getting in ahead of Neville, Cole, Terry and Ferdinand? Then add in Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Owen, etc. We have a very promising young squad, but expectations were way too high for this tournament. [/quote] The problem we had in 2008 and still have is we have good players but they struggle when not playing in their club team pattern with their teams foreign players plus trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Lampard and Gerrard were never as good playing together or for their country. If you have three world class players in one position it doesnt always mean they are world class players when asked to play in a different position, so be brave and leave two out. #Post#: 81387-------------------------------------------------- Re: Gareth Southgate By: rustyref Date: July 17, 2024, 2:22 pm --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=Claretman link=topic=6130.msg81376#msg81376 date=1721171051] [quote author=rustyref link=topic=6130.msg81373#msg81373 date=1721166678] I listened to multiple ex-pros on talkSPORT today, including Stan Collymore, Emile Heskey and John Barnes, who all said pretty much the same thing. In that we might be looking back 10 years from now saying that Gareth Southgate was the most successful manager England have ever had in terms of competition progression. I do think it was time for Southgate to move on, but it is a risk. People forget that before he joined we were getting knocked out in group stages, last 16s, quarter finals, or even not qualifying at all. And I'm not buying the "we have the best team in Europe" argument, as very few of the current team would get into the team with the squad we had in 2008. Who of our current back 4 are getting in ahead of Neville, Cole, Terry and Ferdinand? Then add in Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Owen, etc. We have a very promising young squad, but expectations were way too high for this tournament. [/quote] The problem we had in 2008 and still have is we have good players but they struggle when not playing in their club team pattern with their teams foreign players plus trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Lampard and Gerrard were never as good playing together or for their country. If you have three world class players in one position it doesnt always mean they are world class players when asked to play in a different position, so be brave and leave two out. [/quote] Arguably a similar problem this year, with two number 10s in Bellingham and Foden. Plus add into that the fact that Kane also drops into that position and it gets worse. The best managers pick players to fit a formation, not a formation to fit players, and that is one of the areas Southgate struggled in. Foden is a world class player, but he isn't a left winger which is where he spent most of his time. Bellingham is also a world class player, but he isn't a left midfielder as her was asked to play in the 4-4-1-1 used in most of the final. A stronger manager wouldn't have done that and would have left one of them out, just as a stronger manager back in 20018 would have left one of Gerrard and Lampard out. #Post#: 81389-------------------------------------------------- Re: Gareth Southgate By: mac Date: July 17, 2024, 3:02 pm --------------------------------------------------------- Is there not also an argument that truly world class players can adapt to different positions? Obviously I’m not saying defenders should be attackers but across the attacking positions. #Post#: 81391-------------------------------------------------- Re: Gareth Southgate By: bmb Date: July 17, 2024, 3:21 pm --------------------------------------------------------- Hands off Marco Rossi is all I'm going to say! #Post#: 81393-------------------------------------------------- Re: Gareth Southgate By: Claretman Date: July 17, 2024, 3:22 pm --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=rustyref link=topic=6130.msg81387#msg81387 date=1721244158] [quote author=Claretman link=topic=6130.msg81376#msg81376 date=1721171051] [quote author=rustyref link=topic=6130.msg81373#msg81373 date=1721166678] I listened to multiple ex-pros on talkSPORT today, including Stan Collymore, Emile Heskey and John Barnes, who all said pretty much the same thing. In that we might be looking back 10 years from now saying that Gareth Southgate was the most successful manager England have ever had in terms of competition progression. I do think it was time for Southgate to move on, but it is a risk. People forget that before he joined we were getting knocked out in group stages, last 16s, quarter finals, or even not qualifying at all. And I'm not buying the "we have the best team in Europe" argument, as very few of the current team would get into the team with the squad we had in 2008. Who of our current back 4 are getting in ahead of Neville, Cole, Terry and Ferdinand? Then add in Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Owen, etc. We have a very promising young squad, but expectations were way too high for this tournament. [/quote] The problem we had in 2008 and still have is we have good players but they struggle when not playing in their club team pattern with their teams foreign players plus trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Lampard and Gerrard were never as good playing together or for their country. If you have three world class players in one position it doesnt always mean they are world class players when asked to play in a different position, so be brave and leave two out. [/quote] Arguably a similar problem this year, with two number 10s in Bellingham and Foden. Plus add into that the fact that Kane also drops into that position and it gets worse. The best managers pick players to fit a formation, not a formation to fit players, and that is one of the areas Southgate struggled in. Foden is a world class player, but he isn't a left winger which is where he spent most of his time. Bellingham is also a world class player, but he isn't a left midfielder as her was asked to play in the 4-4-1-1 used in most of the final. A stronger manager wouldn't have done that and would have left one of them out, just as a stronger manager back in 20018 would have left one of Gerrard and Lampard out. [/quote] I would add to that that a few players looked to be carrying injuries and as similar in previous tournaments a stronger manager would have left them out. Gareth has his qualities but i feel he is very much a yes man and ultra cautious with his selections and undroppables. ***************************************************** (DIR) Next Page