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What if?
By: Blackdoom59 Date: May 21, 2013, 6:55 am
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With the birth of galeoth's sanctuary , multiple members came to
talk elegantly about stuff.So I am creating a new topic - What
if?
In here i will ask a what if question every now and then about
what would have happened if ____________________ , trought
history.If you wish to reply make sure you know what I'm
actually asking , and quote the question when you do so.
First question:What if The United States never joined WW2(world
war 2) ,would Nazi germany succed or fail?Argument your answer.
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Re: What if?
By: Aeroblyctos Date: May 21, 2013, 9:25 am
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USA just a minor part of the war in Europe. Russians would've
won anyway.
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Re: What if?
By: Shinokyofu Date: May 21, 2013, 11:36 am
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More than in the WW2, I think they were much more important in
WW1's result.
That said...
[quote author=Aeroblyctos link=topic=1403.msg13081#msg13081
date=1369146351]
USA just a minor part of the war in Europe. Russians would've
won anyway.
[/quote]
I have to disagree pretty much all of your answer, Aero :D.
Firstly, Russia was still not THAT strong, the problem is that
it's something near impossible to go through Russia without
dying in the way because of the cold(and they had a very good
strategy) :P. If Russia were actually attacking the Nazi people,
it would have another result.
Secondly, without USA, the Japan would dominate the war in that
area and, let's not forget, Japan was so strong that it actually
could annoy USA. The Hiroshima Rose is the result :P. Japan was
almost 100% focused on the USA, so without the USA, Japan would
help Germany in Europe. And THAT would be OP.
So, I don't know if the Nazi would succed, but it would have a
very good chance to.
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Re: What if?
By: Blackdoom59 Date: May 21, 2013, 12:30 pm
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I agree with shino , if the US didn't stopped Japan in the
Pacific , Japan would have ended up ruling over all the seas.So
even if the russians managed to hold the axis , Japan would have
ultimately attacked them from Asia.China would be finnaly forced
to join the axis under japan's pressure and after the sudden
stop of ressources comming from Russia.
EVEN IF the Russia wouldn't have been completely conquered , the
tirth reich would have succeded in invading UK , from witch they
could pinpoint and strike trought the world.
[quote author=Aeroblyctos link=topic=1403.msg13081#msg13081
date=1369146351]
USA just a minor part of the war in Europe. Russians would've
won anyway.
[/quote]
D-Day was the event that managed to take Germany down.Russia
would probably have failed without the help of the allies.
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Re: What if?
By: Aeroblyctos Date: May 22, 2013, 2:02 am
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[quote author=Shinokyofu link=topic=1403.msg13084#msg13084
date=1369154193]Firstly, Russia was still not THAT strong, the
problem is that it's something near impossible to go through
Russia without dying in the way because of the cold(and they had
a very good strategy) :P.[/quote]
When Russian won the attack of the Germany they were strong
enough at that point defeat the attacker. And that heppened. I
mean, in that front Russian did all the job. No one really
helped Russian. Or should I can Soviet Union?
[quote]Firstly, Russia was still not THAT strong, the problem is
that it's something near impossible to go through Russia without
dying in the way because of the cold(and they had a very good
strategy) :P. If Russia were actually attacking the Nazi people,
it would have another result.[/quote]
But they did and they owned Nazi!
[quote]Secondly, without USA, the Japan would dominate the war
in that area and, let's not forget, Japan was so strong that it
actually could annoy USA. The Hiroshima Rose is the result :P.
Japan was almost 100% focused on the USA, so without the USA,
Japan would help Germany in Europe. And THAT would be
OP.[/quote]
It would take too many years for Japan to win USA and even if
Japan would've won I don't think Japan would've helped Germany
much or if not at all. I believe in the end Germany and Japan
were enemies to each other. They just had same enemies.
[quote]Russia would probably have failed without the help of the
allies.[/quote]
Indeed, but I believe Russian and Great Britain together with
rest of the France could have won Germany in the end. USA was
just a minor part here they didn't help that much.
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Re: What if?
By: Shinokyofu Date: May 22, 2013, 11:12 am
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[quote author=Aeroblyctos link=topic=1403.msg13099#msg13099
date=1369206129]
[quote]Firstly, Russia was still not THAT strong, the problem is
that it's something near impossible to go through Russia without
dying in the way because of the cold(and they had a very good
strategy) :P. If Russia were actually attacking the Nazi people,
it would have another result.[/quote]
But they did and they owned Nazi!
[/quote]
Russia itself owned the Nazi, not the Russian Army :P. The Nazi
made the same mistake as Napoleon(besides the strategy of
destroying the cities and villages that the Nazi reached used by
Russia) and then they were defeated. Russia was strong inside
its frontiers, but just after WW2 they would also get strong
(VERY strong) outside.
[quote author=Aeroblyctos link=topic=1403.msg13099#msg13099
date=1369206129]
[quote]Secondly, without USA, the Japan would dominate the war
in that area and, let's not forget, Japan was so strong that it
actually could annoy USA. The Hiroshima Rose is the result :P.
Japan was almost 100% focused on the USA, so without the USA,
Japan would help Germany in Europe. And THAT would be
OP.[/quote]
It would take too many years for Japan to win USA and even if
Japan would've won I don't think Japan would've helped Germany
much or if not at all. I believe in the end Germany and Japan
were enemies to each other. They just had same enemies.
[/quote]
Firstly, we're talking about the WW2 without USA :P.
Japan has the limitation of being kind of small and in a
terrible area to live or to do anything. If the japanese had the
resources of USA(or even other countries such as Brazil), they
would easily be the most terrible nation to buy a fight with.
But, without any hypothetical situations, yeah, I agree that
Japan will never be as strong as USA, but if you think that the
atomic bombs were just to end the war like a boss, you're wrong.
The USA feared Japanese people, especially because they were
fearless(kamikaze) and could develop Japan into a powerful
country in just some years.
And, yeah, Japan just didn't like Russia and wanted to dominate
some strategic areas, so he wasn't exactly all love and fun with
Germany. BUT, I ask to you to read again the bold part. Yeah,
Russia would get completly owned, and it would be one less enemy
to the Nazi that, again, I don't really know if would succed.
Oh, and also answers this.
[quote author=Aeroblyctos link=topic=1403.msg13099#msg13099
date=1369206129]
[quote]Russia would probably have failed without the help of the
allies.[/quote]
Indeed, but I believe Russian and Great Britain together with
rest of the France could have won Germany in the end. USA was
just a minor part here they didn't help that much.
[/quote]
A Russianless and USAless Allies would be SO easily defeated.
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Re: What if?
By: Ancient Mob Date: May 22, 2013, 3:33 pm
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[quote author=Blackdoom59 link=topic=1403.msg13078#msg13078
date=1369137358]
With the birth of galeoth's sanctuary , multiple members came to
talk elegantly about stuff.So I am creating a new topic - What
if?[/quote]
Is it necessary to ask only questions related to countries or
other history topics. Because I don't see benefits of that.
Instead u can Ask question related to the chosen ones. Like what
if the dart whom phodom rescued. Was not dart & was a clone..?
Asking random question from history will only result in tons of
arguments..& some chaos may be..! Game related ''what if'' will
reveal the possibilities in expansion of storyline. or
improvement in current story. & will make players think about
the story from various different view points rather then the
only story presented by aero ! I think it'll be fun! :D
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Re: What if?
By: Shinokyofu Date: May 22, 2013, 8:38 pm
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AncientMob - That is a possibility. We can try it, but I'd like
to point out two things:
1. The discussion about the last "What If..." didn't end
yet...probably(perphaps almost).
2. Though we can talk about TCO too, the Off-Topic Thread is
more used to talk about things NOT related to TCO. Besides, this
special sub-forum, the Galeoth's Sanctuary, tries to be a little
more serious compared with other threads in general. I'm not
saying that TCO can't bring a serious conversation, but it
could, perphaps, generate chaos (fun and death) and perphaps it
would not be something easy to discuss. I mean, a clone of Dart?
I can imagine more than 20 hypothesis to explain this (if it
happened), yet none are satisfying to me.
Besides, again, this place is for little more serious
conversations (although we don't have to be dead cold of course
::)), so try to improve your text just a little, because... I
seriously had some problems to understand some parts.
For example:
[quote author=Ancient Mob link=topic=1403.msg13135#msg13135
date=1369254831]
Instead u can Ask question related to the chosen ones. Like what
if the dart whom phodom rescued. Was not dart & was a clone..?
Asking random question from history will only result in tons of
arguments..& some chaos may be..!
[/quote]
Why a dot? Just why a dot :(?
[quote author=Ancient Mob link=topic=1403.msg13135#msg13135
date=1369254831]
Is it necessary to ask only questions related to countries or
other history topics. Because I don't see benefits of that.
[/quote]
More than "necessary", since historical events are the reason we
are here now, and if they were different, our present would be
different, I think it's good to think "what if..." about these
kinds of things. So, perphaps not necessary, it's just funny.
Fun is good, but too much fun can be death too, we have to be
careful with that.
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Re: What if?
By: Ancient Mob Date: May 23, 2013, 1:17 am
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[quote]AncientMob - That is a possibility. We can try it, but
I'd like to point out two things:
1. The discussion about the last "What If..." didn't end
yet...probably(perphaps almost).[/quote]
Yes about that, I request blackdoom to mention a time limit with
each question.
[quote]2. Though we can talk about TCO too, the Off-Topic Thread
is more used to talk about things NOT related to TCO. Besides,
this special sub-forum, the Galeoth's Sanctuary, tries to be a
little more serious compared with other threads in general. I'm
not saying that TCO can't bring a serious conversation, but it
could, perphaps, generate chaos (fun and death) and perphaps it
would not be something easy to discuss. I mean, a clone of Dart?
I can imagine more than 20 hypothesis to explain this (if it
happened), yet none are satisfying to me.[/quote]yes you are
right, lets just keep off topics away from campaign. I really
didn't noticed I am posting in off topic. :-[
[quote]Why a dot? Just why a dot :(?
[/quote]
Sorry i am habitual of using dots, is it wrong..? Anyways i'll
try to avoid the unnecessary usage of dots.
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Re: What if?
By: Blackdoom59 Date: May 23, 2013, 7:13 am
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Firstly i'm glad the conversation is started on the right foot.
Ancient Mob , I will eventually ask about the campaign and wc3's
storyline's itself , as those are the things ANY memeber of this
forum has in common.But that won't happen too soon.Right now
most of the questions will be from history.
I think the system of more about you was a made with haste and
it ended up not so good.So here's how/when questions will be
posted:
IF a question has answers from at least 2-3 diffrent members ,
and 3 days have passed since the last member answered , I will
ask another one.If 3 days have passed since the last answer and
only 1/no members answered , the timeline will restart(3 more
days) , and it will keep starting over until there are at least
2 members(other then myself) that answered the question.
Also, not all questions will be about the "war" history.I may
post questions about "what if x , was never born(x being someone
who changed the world)".I intend to make this topic an
interactive one , so any feedback and/or ideas are more then
welcome.
Edit:Topic set sticky.
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