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#Post#: 10044--------------------------------------------------
Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: bondburger Date: December 8, 2021, 4:27 am
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I wish to be more coherent when sharing and discussing some
Aryanist ideas. There are two terms I struggle with, i.e.
"Western Civilisation" and "Counterculture".
What exactly defines the Counterculture era? On Wikipedia this
seems to refer very specifically to the 60s-70s, and not with
the 90s which you also apply it to, for example. The stereotypes
associated with it are also more like long-hair and drugs. When
the term is used on this forum I of course have some sense as to
what you're referring to instead; low sexual dimorphism in
style, more individualistic expression, antimaterialistic and
unifying ideas, etc. but these are easy to pick up on because
these are Aryanist ideals too. So any argument I could make
about why the counterculture was good (in line with Aryanist
ideals) would come down to "good things are good", a tautology.
Similarly with Western Civilisation, if one points out the ugly
baroque styles of Western art, the racism, sexism, materialism,
etc. then someone can easily point out examples that break this
pattern. My understanding of this term is again limited and
based on prior knowledge as to what Aryanists don't like, so
anything that does agree with Aryanist ideals (or at least not
disagree too strongly) also in "Europe" seems seperated from
Western Civilisation. My arguments as to why Western
Civilisation is bad are therefore dependent upon me removing
good ideas from my definition of Western (which others would
still call Western), so all I can really argue is that bad ideas
are bad, another tautology.
To get around these I would really appreciate simple and clear
definitions as to what these terms mean and do not mean, and
also preferably an argument as to why these are the correct uses
of the terms. Thank you.
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: guest55 Date: December 8, 2021, 8:20 pm
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[quote]To get around these I would really appreciate simple and
clear definitions as to what these terms mean and do not mean,
and also preferably an argument as to why these are the correct
uses of the terms. Thank you.[/quote]
Western Civilization aka Western Culture aka
Judeo-Greco-Christian Culture:
Western civilization arose out of the "enlightenment" era and
the French Revolution. It grants "man" supposed "rights". To
Aryanists "rights" are arbitrary. The Declaration of Rights of
Man which came out of the French Revolution is also humanist as
it makes no mention of non-humans. Humanism is merely more
tribalism where the out-group is non-humans and the in-group are
humans. To any serious upstanding person who wishes to be moral
and ethical the in-group versus out-group dichotomy obviously
becomes an unacceptable condition because the out-group will
always be exploited by the in-group on a planet with finite
resources and whilst under the pressure applied by
natural-selection. It should be obvious too I believe that true
unity is impossible while multiple in-group vs. out-group
dichotomies are at play in any given situation or nation?
Humanism 101 (tribalism continued):
[img width=964
height=1280]
(HTM) https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/15/22/0a15229ff156542a842e8af93628ad22.jpg[/img]
[quote]We are the full counterpart of the French Revolution —
Adolf Hitler[/quote]
Because, if truly uniting a nation is your goal then tribalism
must be unacceptable!
Lastly in regards to Western culture, given what I stated about
it above it should be clear also that colonialism and racism in
the West are merely the in-group vs. out-group
(humanism\tribalism) strategy taken to the extreme.
Understanding this we should then be able to also see why it was
so easy for Western colonialists to not see their victims as
human-beings such as themselves, because those people were
clearly in the Westerner's out-group.
[quote]So any argument I could make about why the counterculture
was good (in line with Aryanist ideals) would come down to "good
things are good", a tautology.[/quote]
The counter-culture, had it been allowed to run it's course and
arrive at it's logical conclusion unimpeded, would have ended
Western civilization and all the "bad things" listed above. It
would have resulted in a true national revival of America.
Instead, we're still stuck in the cesspool of tribalism which
has now ultimately manifested itself with the election of
Turanian tribalist par-excellence Donald Trump himself, a
Westerner through-and-through.
In closing though, what ultimately makes Western civilization
the most evil civilization to ever exist on this planet so far?
Simple put, this:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
Can you now see how humanism\tribalism and anthropocentricism
support each other in theory as well, and how colonialism and
racism could only ever be their true end product?
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 9, 2021, 2:05 am
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"What exactly defines the Counterculture era? On Wikipedia this
seems to refer very specifically to the 60s-70s, and not with
the 90s which you also apply it to, for example."
The Counterculture era certainly began in the 60s, in the US
overlapping most notably with the Civil Rights movement as well
as opposition to the Vietnam War. However, in a worldwide
context, the Anti-Apartheid movement which also began in the
60s:
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Apartheid_Movement
[quote]The Sharpeville massacre occurred on 21 March 1960, when
69 unarmed protesters were shot dead by the South African
police, triggered an intensification of action. The organisation
was renamed the "Anti-Apartheid Movement" and instead of just a
consumer boycott the group would now "co-ordinate all the
anti-apartheid work and keep South Africa's apartheid policy in
the forefront of British politics",[1] and campaign for the
total isolation of apartheid South Africa, including economic
sanctions.[/quote]
continued to strengthen through the 80s:
[quote]In the 1980s, the international campaign to free Nelson
Mandela from prison became a global cause. In close co-operation
with the exiled leaders of the ANC, the British Anti-Apartheid
Movement increasingly personalised the liberation struggle, with
Mandela as its symbolic figurehead.[8] The Anti-Apartheid
Movement worked with a range of organisations in Britain, such
as the International Defence and Aid Fund, local council
authorities, churches, and trade unions, to demand Mandela’s
release from prison and campaign for the end of apartheid in
South Africa. A notable feature of the campaign across Britain
was the renaming of buildings and streets after Nelson Mandela,
which resulted in the UK having more streets named after him
than anywhere outside of South Africa.[9] The Free Nelson
Mandela Campaign gained prominence when Glasgow's local
authority gave Mandela the Freedom of the City in 1981,[10] and
a further eight cities and councils including Aberdeen,
Dundee,[11] and Sheffield followed this lead during the 1980s.
A major part of the campaign revolved around music, which helped
publicise Mandela and the anti-apartheid struggle to the British
public. In 1984, The Special A.K.A released the hit single 'Free
Nelson Mandela' which reached number 9 in the UK music charts.
In 1986, Artists Against Apartheid organised the Freedom
Festival at Clapham Common in London, in which 250,000 people
attended. The most famous event was The Nelson Mandela 70th
Birthday Tribute which hoped to secure his release in time for
his 70th birthday in June 1988. There were four elements to
‘Freedom at 70’: the Nelson Mandela 70th Birthday Tribute
concert held at Wembley Stadium on 11 June; a rally in Glasgow
to launch the Nelson Mandela Freedom March on 12 June; and the
five-week long Freedom March from Glasgow to London, which
finished with a rally in Hyde Park on 17 July 1988. These events
attracted an unprecedented level of interest in the
Anti-Apartheid Movement and the struggle against apartheid. For
example, the Wembley Stadium concert was attended by around
100,000 people and an estimated 600 million people in over 60
countries watched the event.[12]
As a direct consequence of the 70th Birthday Tribute, the
Anti-Apartheid Movement membership doubled to nearly 18,000 in
1988.[13][/quote]
and reached its peak in the 90s with the toppling of Apartheid
South Africa itself:
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negotiations_to_end_apartheid_in_South_Africa
[quote]The apartheid system in South Africa was ended through a
series of negotiations between 1990 and 1993 and through
unilateral steps by the de Klerk government. These negotiations
took place between the governing National Party, the African
National Congress, and a wide variety of other political
organisations. Negotiations took place against a backdrop of
political violence in the country, including allegations of a
state-sponsored third force destabilising the country. The
negotiations resulted in South Africa's first non-racial
election, which was won by the African National
Congress.[/quote]
In this perspective, the Counterculture era was at its most
powerful in the 90s, also manifesting in Clinton's heroic
bombing of Serbia (which is our template for US foreign policy):
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/remembering-the-yugoslav-wars/
as well as environmentalism:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By0Mx-SrqFo
and continuing into the 00s with BDS:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/anti-racism-before-the-counterculture-era-ended/
which was explicitly modelled after the Anti-Apartheid movement:
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions
[quote]BDS is modeled after the anti-apartheid movement in South
Africa.[10] Its proponents compare the Palestinians' plight to
that of apartheid-era black South Africans.[11] [/quote]
We consider 9/11 to be the event which ended the Counterculture
era. Before 9/11, Western civilization was widely viewed as the
cause of most of the world's problems. After 9/11, this was
flipped on its head with the notion that Western civilization
was under attack and had to be preserved at all costs. (For
example, a movie like "300" could never have been made in the
Counterculture era, and even visually looks nothing like the
Counterculture era movies.)
"The stereotypes associated with it are also more like long-hair
and drugs."
This was back in the 60s when young leftists had no power to
change things, so they sought escapism:
[img]
(HTM) https://i.insider.com/4dc2c9edcadcbb2c6b0b0000?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp[/img]
But by the 90s these same individuals who were powerless youths
in the 60s were now in power:
[img width=1280
height=720]
(HTM) https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/MSNBC/Components/Video/201903/lon_kosovosr99_190322.jpg[/img]
So what was going on in the 90s was social justice attitudes
cultivated in the 60s finally beginning to be applied in
international politics. This was what Jews realized had to be
stopped before Israel became the next target, hence 9/11.
"if one points out the ugly baroque styles of Western art, the
racism, sexism, materialism, etc. then someone can easily point
out examples that break this pattern."
Yes, and these examples would be examples of (earlier cycles of)
Counterculture. The key is that Western art considers itself to
be superior to non-Western art, whereas Counterculture art
considers itself to be superior to Western art but not to
non-Western art. For example:
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_landscape_garden
[quote]The Far East inspired the origins of the English Garden
via Holland. In 1685, the English diplomat in The Hague and
writer Sir William Temple wrote an essay Upon the garden of
Epicurus (published in 1690), which contrasted European theories
of symmetrical gardens with asymmetrical compositions from
China, for which he introduced the Japanese term
sharawadgi.[19][20][21] Temple had never visited the Far East,
but he was in contact with the Dutch and their discourse on
irregularity in design, had spoken to a merchant who had been in
the Far East for a long time, and read the works of European
travellers there. He noted that Chinese gardens avoided formal
rows of trees and flower beds, and instead placed trees, plants,
and other garden features in irregular ways to strike the eye
and create beautiful compositions, with an understatement
criticizing the formal compositions of the gardens at the Palace
of Versailles of Louis XIV of France.[22] [/quote]
The English landscape garden, despite being English, is not
Western as it considers itself closer to China than to France.
"anything that does agree with Aryanist ideals (or at least not
disagree too strongly) also in "Europe" seems seperated from
Western Civilisation."
This is correct.
"My arguments as to why Western Civilisation is bad are
therefore dependent upon me removing good ideas from my
definition of Western (which others would still call Western)"
The others are wrong. For example, Catharism was a good idea.
But how were Cathars treated by Judeo-"Christians"?
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_B%C3%A9ziers
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism#Treaty_and_persecution
If you were a Cathar, would you feel closer to
Judeo-"Christians" or to Muslims who were fellow victims of the
Crusaders (and who, as we have previously noted, never bothered
the Cathars)?
(HTM) http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p335_Whisker.html
[quote]We find the Cathars emerging by about 1025 A.D., in
Germany, Italy and France, also spreading to England and
Flanders. Originally they were simply "the new Manichaeans," and
were so labeled by those whom the Church sent to weed out the
recurrent heresy. There are many legends about the founders of
the Cathar heresy, but no single figure or small, identifiable
group can be credited. Gerbert of Aurillac, Archbishop of Reims,
for example, in 991 made a declaration of principles which were
decidedly gnostic and Manichaean, but he cannot be said to have
led or encouraged the spread of Cathar religion. In 1028 William
V, Duke of Aquitaine, summoned a council of bishops to deal with
the heresy, and there it was held that it had spread northward
from Italy. Ademar of Chabannes believed that a woman and
another peasant had carried the doctrine into France, perhaps
from Italy. Modern scholarship suggests that a portion of it, at
least, came from Bulgaria, Armenia, and/or the Byzantine Empire,
with another portion coming out of the Moslem Empire, where
there was an unusual tolerance for strange gnostic
sects.[/quote]
So how can Catharism be considered Western? Actual Westerners
persecuted them while non-Westerners did not!
"I would really appreciate simple and clear definitions as to
what these terms mean and do not mean"
Western civilization = anything that uses Moses and/or Aristotle
(esp. both simultaneously) as positive foundations
Counterculture = any consciously hostile cultural reaction to
any aspect of Western civilization
(I disagree with Mazda; I consider the Renaissance more
significant to the development of Western civilization than the
"Enlightenment". The beginning of the colonial era predates the
"Enlightenment", and the colonialists were already behaving like
Homo Hubris.)
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 14, 2021, 11:02 pm
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"what Aryanists don't like"
It's not just what we don't like, but also what our enemies do
like. Our enemies just posted this page:
(HTM) https://www.eurocanadians.ca/western-civilization
And these are the pictures they included as examples:
[quote]
(HTM) https://www.eurocanadians.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/10380809104_ddf56bdc2b_b-1.jpg
British Columbia Parliament Buildings, Victoria, Canada. Baroque
Revival architecture.
...
(HTM) https://www.eurocanadians.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/6252130586_5792cdb607_b.jpg
National Assembly of Quebec constructed between 1877 and 1886.
It features the Second Empire architectural style of
France.[/quote]
This is not a coincidence. Our enemies know what is Western
civilization and what is not. So do we. In their words:
[quote]a grand geopolitical struggle for all the Europeans
peoples who created Western Civilization — in competiton with
the other major civilizations of China, Islam, Black Africa, and
India.[/quote]
This is why the English landscape garden (as I mentioned in the
previous post) is not Western civilization: because it is in
competition not with any non-Western civilization, but with
Western civilization itself! Similarly with everything from the
Counterculture: the intention of the Counterculture was none
other than to expose the inferiority of Western civilization.
[quote]Western Civilization is a creation of the White European
Race, and it is far the greatest in human
accomplishments.[/quote]
Western civilization is all about showing how much humans can do
(instead of worrying about whether or not it is ethical to do
it). Hence this topic:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/
The landscape garden (unlike the formal garden) is not about
this, therefore the landscape garden is not part of Western
civilization whereas the formal garden is.
[quote]immigrants prefer to shop in COSTCO and Walmart[/quote]
Our enemies do not consider these to be Western, and neither do
I:
[img]
(HTM) https://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.dig
ital/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297762927980_O
RIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/fit-in/1200x0/filters%3Aformat%28jpg%29/https%3A%2F%2Fspecials-images.forbesimg.com%2Fimageserve%2F1209106512%2F0x0.jpg%3FcropX1%3D0%26cropX2%3D3264%26cropY1%3D38%26cropY2%3D1874[/img]
Compare this set of pictures to the preceding set. There is no
way that both can be considered products of the same
civilization! So which is Western? (Hint: which is about showing
off?)
In fact, I have argued that these styles have much more in
common aesthetically with local pre-colonial architecture:
[img width=1280
height=924]
(HTM) https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/pueblo-revival-architecture-historic-painted-desert-inn-petrified-forest-national-park-arizona-pueblo-revival-214056101.jpg[/img]
than with Western architecture, hence truly deserve to be called
American architecture. An American nationalist must consider
American architecture (whether the pre-colonial or the
postmodern forms) superior to Western architecture.
[quote]For all the criticisms one can make against the old
ruling [s]aristocratic[/s] elites of Europe, it stands beyond
question that the monarchical [s]aristocracies[/s] of Europe had
a deep appreciation for the best in music, art, and
thought.[/quote]
No, they appreciated the worst aesthetics ever seen in history.
[quote]They patronized the arts for centuries, listened to the
best music, encouraged magnificent architecture[/quote]
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: guest55 Date: December 15, 2021, 8:06 pm
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American architecture is clearly far superior to Western
architecture, especially for those living in the Americas!:
Superadobe: Powerful Simplicity
[quote]SuperAdobe is a form of earth bag architecture developed
by architect and CalEarth founder Nader Khalili. Using long
sandbags ("SuperAdobe Bags"), barbed wire, on-site earth and a
few tools, Khalili devised a revolutionary building system that
integrates traditional earth architecture with contemporary
global safety requirements, and passes severe earthquake code
tests in California.
This technology has been published by NASA, endorsed by the
United Nations, featured in countless world media outlets, and
awarded the prestigious Aga Khan Award for Architecture in 2004.
It comes from years of meditation, hands-on research and
development. Inspired by traditional earth architecture in the
deserts of Iran and adapted for modern usage. Simplified so that
anyone can build.[/quote]
[img]
(HTM) https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/575451b3d51cd4cfabfd8d77/1465862344199-017IR7MHMYN49D6073N8/image-asset.jpeg?format=500w[/img]
(HTM) https://www.calearth.org/intro-superadobe
Survey of Damage to Historic Adobe Buildings after the January
1994 Northridge Earthquake
[quote]Historic adobe buildings -Spanish colonial missions,
Mexican rancho and pueblo adobe structures -are the only
above-ground remains of the state’s initial settlement by Spain
and Mexico in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. They are
invaluable reminders of a time past when California was sparsely
populated by Native Americans, who, at the direction of the
first Hispanic colonizers, constructed the majority of
these buildings. Native American mission-trained adobe makers,
masons, and carpenters continued to comprise the bulk of the
labor force throughout the Hispanic era in California.
California’s historic adobe buildings are the state’s earliest
and most vulnerable structures. They are subject to damage by
the elements, perhaps most dramatically by earthquakes.
Continued preservation of California’s Hispanic-era adobe
architecture represents a significant challenge given the
severity and frequency of earthquakes in recent years and the
susceptibility of unreinforced adobe masonry to earthquake
damage.
A wide range of opinions exist concerning the performance of
historic adobe buildings during large earthquakes. There are
those who consistently underestimate the potential of
earthquakes to damage historic adobe buildings because these
structures are thought to have successfully stood the test of
time. There are others who overestimate the hazards posed,
believing that historic adobe buildings are weak and incapable
of
withstanding earthquakes under any circumstance. While adobe
buildings are undeniably vulnerable to seismic events, some have
survived major earthquakes, which points up the fact that their
performance in earthquakes is not widely understood, nor is the
dramatic effect of well-designed retrofit measures.[/quote]
(HTM) https://www.getty.edu/conservation/publications_resources/pdf_publications/pdf/adobe_northridge.pdf
UMaine-led research in northern Peru unearths oldest adobe
architecture in the Americas
[quote]On the north coast of Peru, researchers have discovered
the oldest adobe architecture in the Americas, constructed with
ancient mud bricks carved from natural clay deposits created by
floods caused by El Nino.
The pre-Hispanic bricks — carved from sedimentary layers versus
created by mixing clay, temper and water — date the invention of
adobe architecture to more than 5,100 years ago, according to
the international research team led by archaeologist Ana Cecilia
Mauricio.
In the Andes, early adobe monumental structures are associated
with communal ceremonies and the rise of social complexity, the
team notes.[/quote]
(HTM) https://umaine.edu/news/blog/2021/11/22/umaine-led-research-in-northern-peru-unearths-oldest-adobe-architecture-in-the-americas/\
[quote]The Arg-e Bam (Persian: ارگ
بم‎), located in the city of Bam, Kerman
Province of southeastern Iran, is the largest adobe building in
the world. The entire building was a large fortress containing
the citadel, but because the citadel dominates the ruins, the
entire fortress is now named Bam Citadel.
Listed by UNESCO as part of the World Heritage Site "Bam and its
Cultural Landscape", it can be traced back to at least the
Achaemenid Empire (sixth to fourth centuries BC). The citadel
rose to importance from the seventh to eleventh centuries, as a
crossroads along the Silk Road and other important trade routes,
and as a producer of silk and cotton garments.[1]
On 26 December 2003, the Citadel was almost completely destroyed
by an earthquake, along with much of the rest of Bam and its
environs. A few days after the earthquake, the President of
Iran, Mohammad Khatami, announced that the Citadel would be
rebuilt.[/quote]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Ancient_Bam%2C_2002.png/1000px-Ancient_Bam%2C_2002.png
Compared to Western civilization: (Take into consideration what
I've posted above and how this Westerner talks about Western
civilization:)
The Pantheon: The ancient building still being used after 2,000
years
[quote]When visitors walk into the Pantheon in Rome and
encounter its colossal dome, they may experience the same
theatricality as its guests nearly 2,000 years ago.
"Anyone who steps inside the Pantheon immediately feels the
crushing weight of human history, but also the incredible
lightness of human creativity," said John Ochsendorf, professor
of architecture at MIT and former director of the American
Academy in Rome.[/quote]
(HTM) https://www.cnn.com/style/article/pantheon-history-test-of-time/index.html
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 17, 2021, 8:22 pm
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It was common in Counterculture era video games (2D of course)
for the final boss (ie. the main villain) to be surrounded by
Western architecture. Here are some examples:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghMzXwYZ8qQ
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKiwSBGA60A
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VNUZVLg0zA
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apH81aIDXiU
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zya7--2onjc
And my personal favourite (as it includes a Western orchestra
too!):
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz_RjpqRXdY
On top of that, one of Krauser's henchmen was a bullfighter:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcYGjZTDQl4
Back then, Western aesthetics were associated with evil by
default. Those were the days.....
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 21, 2021, 9:05 pm
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Also, back in those days, the unmistakeably American (ie.
non-Western) shopping centre aesthetic used to be considered
cool:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpSEosi37gk
(And yes, I know Connelly is a Jew. She also has extremely high
sexual dimorphism. But at least Whaley is relatively low in
sexual dimorphism, so this pairing is still preferable to those
where sexual dimorphism is high on both sides.)
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 22, 2021, 9:07 pm
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I just added a post showing the Western shopping aesthetic for
contrast to the American one in the above post:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg10230/#msg10230
And indeed back in the Counterculture era, it was definitely
ridiculed:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91IK06uv5E
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 23, 2021, 8:55 pm
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Another iconic form of American (ie. non-Western) architecture
is the motel:
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Star_Lite_Motel_in_Dilworth%2C_Minnesota%2C_USA._Winter_view.jpg/800px-Star_Lite_Motel_in_Dilworth%2C_Minnesota%2C_USA._Winter_view.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/El_Rey_Court%2C_2_miles_S._W._of_plaza_U.S._Highway_85%2C_Santa_Fe%2C_New_Mexico.jpg/800px-El_Rey_Court%2C_2_miles_S._W._of_plaza_U.S._Highway_85%2C_Santa_Fe%2C_New_Mexico.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Lorraine_Motel_02_15_MAR_2012.jpg/800px-Lorraine_Motel_02_15_MAR_2012.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/4_Seasons_Motel.jpg/400px-4_Seasons_Motel.jpg
Prior to the Counterculture era, the motel were portrayed in
movies as an implicitly non-Western place where bad things could
easily happen to (Western) guests passing through:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9HSGWbSsXg
By the 80s, in contrast, the motel appropriately acquired a new
role as a sanctuary for anti-Western guests fleeing from Western
civilization:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ypcOzegxso
And by the 90s, the anti-Western guests (together with the
similarly anti-Western motel staff!) were actually fighting back
from inside the motel!
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k88bK1ihpUo
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esA3E7tyUXw
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePclVJfVlzQ
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
By: guest55 Date: December 23, 2021, 10:48 pm
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I was thinking earlier on how America, of all the nations in the
world, has the worst memory out of all of them! If America were
a person it would probably suffer from narcolepsy and would need
someone to constantly remind it not to forget who they are....
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