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Did Civilization Begin in India?
By: guest78 Date: July 1, 2022, 2:52 pm
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Did Civilization Begin in India?
[quote]Mainstream academia says that Mesopotamia was the cradle
of civilization. But did you know that there are some who argue
that this is a false history, and that it was in South Asia that
the world’s first urban society appeared? In this video, Dr.
Miano takes a deep look into the ideas presented by Hindu
teacher David Frawley, who argues that the world’s greatest
ancient societies are cultural descendants of India. Are his
claims in keeping with the facts?[/quote]
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqPYQYpc2_I
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The Indus Script DeMystified: Origins, Character and Disappearan
ce
By: guest78 Date: July 1, 2022, 2:54 pm
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The Indus Script DeMystified: Origins, Character and
Disappearance
[quote]Dr. Jonathan Mark Kenoyer delivers the 23rd Gulestan and
Rustom Billimoria Endowment Lecture at the Asiatic Society of
Mumbai, Dec. 14, 2020. A deep exploration of the Indus script
and its evolution in the context of Indus civilization and other
neighbouring Bronze Age cultures and their writing systems.
Profusely illustrated, and including the latest research by
leading scholars.[/quote]
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuOVXGBZ7gE
Harappa.com: The Ancient Indus Civilization
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAx99HH1X8WTJc1XDGOW__g
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Harappan Civilization - This Mysterious Civilization Predates th
e Sumerians & Egyptians
By: guest78 Date: January 13, 2023, 12:17 am
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This Mysterious Civilization Predates the Sumerians & Egyptians
- Harappan Civilization
[quote]With great symbols representing majesty and power,
mythical gods and pharaohs, and great technological inventions
that changed the world, we are used to seeing Egypt and Sumer as
the oldest and most advanced civilizations in history. However,
recent scientific research indicates that a mysterious ancient
civilization located between Pakistan and India predates these
two incredible cultures. Indeed, researchers believe that this
civilization, known as the Harappan civilization or the Indus
Valley civilization, is around 8,000 years old, which means that
it's even older than the great Sumerian civilization. Its most
famous city, Mohenjo-Daro, is a clear example of a
well-established and highly advanced urban center, which
includes sewage systems, roads, well-organized houses,
agriculture, and artwork, among other things. However, even with
all the information that researchers already have about these
ancient people, the Harappan civilization also remains one of
the most mysterious in history: Its script has not yet been
deciphered, its urban planning and irrigation systems were more
advanced even than most cities in modern India, and the
civilization suddenly disappeared for reasons that are still not
entirely clear. How did the Harappan civilization achieve such a
degree of cultural and technological development? What was their
secret? Did someone help them, or were they the descendants of
an even older advanced civilization? And what is the mystery
surrounding its sudden disappearance?[/quote]
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn-mnkLkVFQ
[quote]True masters of farming...[/quote]
[quote]Indus Valley Civilisation:
The Indus Valley Civilisation[1] (IVC), also known as the Indus
Civilisation or the Harappan Civilisation was a Bronze Age
civilisation in the northwestern regions of South Asia, lasting
from 3300 BCE to 1300 BCE, and in its mature form 2600 BCE to
1900 BCE.[2][a] Together with ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, it
was one of three early civilisations of the Near East and South
Asia, and of the three, the most widespread. Its sites spanned
an area from much of Pakistan, to northeast Afghanistan, and
northwestern India.[3] The civilisation flourished both in the
alluvial plain of the Indus River, which flows through the
length of Pakistan, and along a system of perennial monsoon-fed
rivers that once coursed in the vicinity of the Ghaggar-Hakra, a
seasonal river in northwest India and eastern Pakistan.[2][4]
The term Harappan is sometimes applied to the Indus civilisation
after its type site Harappa, the first to be excavated early in
the 20th century in what was then the Punjab province of British
India and is now Punjab, Pakistan.[5][c] The discovery of
Harappa and soon afterwards Mohenjo-daro was the culmination of
work that had begun after the founding of the Archaeological
Survey of India in the British Raj in 1861.[6] There were
earlier and later cultures called Early Harappan and Late
Harappan in the same area. The early Harappan cultures were
populated from Neolithic cultures, the earliest and best-known
of which is Mehrgarh, in Balochistan, Pakistan.[7][8] Harappan
civilisation is sometimes called Mature Harappan to distinguish
it from the earlier cultures.
The cities of the ancient Indus were noted for their urban
planning, baked brick houses, elaborate drainage systems, water
supply systems, clusters of large non-residential buildings, and
techniques of handicraft and metallurgy.[d] Mohenjo-daro and
Harappa very likely grew to contain between 30,000 and 60,000
individuals,[10] and the civilisation may have contained between
one and five million individuals during its florescence.[11] A
gradual drying of the region during the 3rd millennium BCE may
have been the initial stimulus for its urbanisation. Eventually
it also reduced the water supply enough to cause the
civilisation's demise and to disperse its population to the
east.[e]
Although over a thousand Mature Harappan sites have been
reported and nearly a hundred excavated,[12][f][14][15] there
are five major urban centres:[16][g] (a) Mohenjo-daro in the
lower Indus Valley (declared a UNESCO World Heritage Site in
1980 as "Archaeological Ruins at Mohenjodaro"), (b) Harappa in
the western Punjab region, (c) Ganeriwala in the Cholistan
Desert, (d) Dholavira in western Gujarat (declared a UNESCO
World Heritage Site in 2021 as "Dholavira: A Harappan City"),
and (e) Rakhigarhi in Haryana.[17][h]
The Harappan language is not directly attested, and its
affiliation uncertain as the Indus script has remained
undeciphered.[18] A relationship with the Dravidian or
Elamo-Dravidian language family is favoured by a section of
scholars.[19][20] [/quote]
Entire article:
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Indus_Valley_Civilization%2C_Mature_Phase_%282600-1900_BCE%29.png
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Mohenjo-daro.jpg/1280px-Mohenjo-daro.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Harappan_small_figures.jpg
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Re: Did Civilization Begin in India?
By: SirGalahad Date: September 8, 2023, 4:43 pm
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@90sRetroFan What do you think was the language of the original
agriculturalists who arrived in India? I was under the
assumption that the Harappans likely ended up dropping their
original language for a local Dravidian language, which although
originally spoken by Indian hunter-gatherers, subsequently
became the main language of the Indus Valley Civilization that
the Harappans founded.
However, there’s also the Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis for the
origin of the Dravidian languages:
(HTM) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elamo-Dravidian_languages
which claims that the Dravidian languages came from the
migrating agriculturalists. I did not know that there was a
Dravidian language spoken all the way in Pakistan (Brahui),
which lends some credence to the theory, although Brahui could
easily just be from a more recent migration from the south, TO
Pakistan. To support this and similar hypotheses, people have
also pointed out that Indo-European and Dravidian languages
aren’t the only two language families present. There’s also a
single, almost extinct language isolate by the name of Nihali,
which could theoretically be a candidate descended from the
language(s) of the hunter-gatherers, as well as Vedda
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Re: Did Civilization Begin in India?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 8, 2023, 5:21 pm
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"[member=1]90sRetroFan[/member] What do you think was the
language of the original agriculturalists who arrived in India?"
It remains a mystery:
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_script#Theories_and_attempts_at_decipherment
I am willing to wait for further deciphering developments before
theorizing.
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Re: Did Civilization Begin in India?
By: rp Date: September 8, 2023, 7:29 pm
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I previously noted that the Dravidian languages seem to be less
Turanized (i.e. lack of gendered nouns). Earlier forms of Tamil
lack gendered verbs, even. However, I cautioned against
linguistic chauvinism, because it is inextricably tied to
Eurocentric theories of a "Dravidian" race in the present-day
context. Besides, Tamil itself is relatively recent
linguistically (only 2500 years old), so it is possible that the
Harappan language that it descends from has very little in
common with it.
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Re: Did Civilization Begin in India?
By: rp Date: January 12, 2024, 6:09 pm
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I have expressed my share of pessimism toward India, but I must
say, I feel that if there is a place where the Aryanist movement
is centered, it must be India. This is because I feel that India
is the only place that has continuously remained
non-anthropocentric through the preservation of its culture,
unlike most other places in the world. Thus, it has the
potential to revive the Heliocentric Aryan civilization after
the anthropocentric homo-hubris Western civilization has been
destroyed. However, the collapse of the monarchy and the
establishment of the democratic republic has made this an uphill
battle. Additionally, the low-quality west-worshipping
anthropocentric Untermensch part of the population must be dealt
with to improve the demographic quality, which seems to be
deteriorating rapidly due to overpopulation.
What do you guys think?
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Re: Did Civilization Begin in India?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 13, 2024, 4:21 pm
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"India is the only place that has continuously remained
non-anthropocentric through the preservation of its culture,
unlike most other places in the world."
My worry is that emigrating Indians often fail to export this
attitude to their destination countries, so that even if India
itself is able to maintain this attitude into the future, it
will have trouble promoting it elsewhere.
The problem is that there is insufficient pride attached to
being non-anthropocentric. It does not seem to be that they are
opposed to displaying pride in general, but they seem to prefer
to display pride in other aspects of India rather than this
one.....
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Re: Did Civilization Begin in India?
By: rp Date: January 13, 2024, 10:30 pm
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"My worry is that emigrating Indians often fail to export this
attitude to their destination countries, so that even if India
itself is able to maintain this attitude into the future, it
will have trouble promoting it elsewhere."
This is due to the "non-proselytizing" nature of Hinduism. Of
course, despite this, Hindu/Buddhist culture managed to
influence the counterculture in Western countries (although the
Westerners corrupted it with their hedonism). This encouraged
Indians to pride themselves in their non-anthropocentric
attitudes. Now, because the culture is thoroughly Western, the
non-anthropocentrists rightly recognize their attitudes won't be
warmly received by the masses, and hence do not bother priding
themselves on it.
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Re: Did Civilization Begin in India?
By: india Date: January 15, 2024, 6:18 pm
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India needs to create a kshatriya ruling class
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