(DIR) Return Create A Forum - Home --------------------------------------------------------- True Left (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com --------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************** (DIR) Return to: Ancient World ***************************************************** #Post#: 18152-------------------------------------------------- Ancient Chinese Monk Describes India By: rp Date: February 26, 2023, 11:41 am --------------------------------------------------------- (HTM) https://youtu.be/_zy1IowqaDE #Post#: 24895-------------------------------------------------- Re: Ancient Chinese Monk Describes India By: rp Date: January 23, 2024, 11:05 am --------------------------------------------------------- (HTM) https://sundayguardianlive.com/opinion/lord-ram-reached-china #Post#: 26198-------------------------------------------------- Re: Turanian diffusion By: antihellenistic Date: May 1, 2024, 1:56 am --------------------------------------------------------- Ancient Western Discriminative Racial Ideology [quote]...Second, although the Old Javanese Ramayana was a palace commissioned text, written for and by a male-dominated elite, it was read in public performances and thus became a popular work. This story is one of the most famous epic stories in Indonesia and India (Chatterji 1967, 69). In ancient India, the Ramayana was recited in public with the intention of improving the spiritual well-being of kings and their subjects as well as for political purposes (Saran and Khanna 2004, 10). Some researchers argue that the Indian Ramayana was composed to support [s]Aryan[/s] Western civilization (Vyas 1967, 3, 27, A. Sarkar 1987, 11). In the Indian Ramayana, Rama is represented as taking part in the spread of [s]Aryan[/s] Indo-European culture in southern India (A. Sarkar 1987, 8). In precolonial Indonesia, the Ramayana was used to revive the teachings of Hinduism because around the 7th century Buddhism had become a strong influence in Sumatra, West Java and Central Java (Sunoto 1992, 50). So great was the influence of these Old Javanese texts from India that this influence is still felt today, and in many places in Java the heroes from Old Javanese texts remain more popular than Islamic heroes (Creese 2004, 23 -24; Zoetmulder 1974, 23). Its popularity and political significance are what make the Ramayana an influential text ... In both versions of the Ramayana, evil characters are depicted as having dark skin color and are represented through objective correlations that symbolize darkness and imply negative feelings. First, dark and black skin colors are used to imply suffering. In the Ancient Javanese Ramayana, a female ascetic whose skin was "as dark as kohl" (Ramayana 97-98, 148) tells how her skin turned black as punishment for eating the flesh of the god Vishnu. He considers his conversion to black as "the origin of his suffering" (Ramayana 150). The use of darkness to signify someone's suffering can also be seen in the scene where Sita is sad because she is separated from her husband. In this scene he is represented "like a new moon darkened by his suffering" (Ramayana 300). Thus darkness and dark skin are combined in these scenes through a sense of suffering.[/quote] Source : White, Skin Color, Race, and Beauty in Transnational Indonesia by L. Ayu Saraswati Page 36 and 49 #Post#: 26201-------------------------------------------------- Re: Ancient Chinese Monk Describes India By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 1, 2024, 4:02 am --------------------------------------------------------- "Ancient Western" Not traceable to Moses or Aristotle, therefore not Western. At most you can blame the Vedics. #Post#: 26204-------------------------------------------------- Re: Ancient Chinese Monk Describes India By: rp Date: May 1, 2024, 8:29 pm --------------------------------------------------------- This makes no sense. Most of the Vedics probably had dark skin. Yaduvanshi/Chandravanshi Krishna's name etymologically means "Black". The reason some villains in Hindu mythology are depicted darker is because the Vanavasi (non Aryans) most likely had darker skin compared to the Aryans (i.e. Ram, who was a Suryavanshi). More important than the skin color is the face shape, as you will see almost all "rakshasas" (demons) are depicted with a wide face and thick mustache. This is also a perfect caricature of the typical South Indian politician/thug, which is why it causes so much seethe in the vulgar plebian hordes. I don't know even know why Vedics would have preference for light skin, but I am willing to consider explanations. *****************************************************