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Recommended music to listen to
By: HikariDude Date: April 12, 2023, 10:42 pm
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Moving my examples from:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/the-superiority-of-pre-colonial-aesthetics/
[quote]Definitely not for enjoyment. Because it sounds
spiritless (spirit as described above):[/quote]
Polyrhythm does sound overproduced with its instrumentation not
sounding clear or simple, but Polyrhythm was their most famous
song (released in the late 2000s when Counterculture was almost
completely transitioned), and I remember listening it wasn't my
most favorite. However, these are my examples, starting with the
Counterculture influenced songs:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7Aubpgyto
Their outfits were simpler and in unity. There were 3D graphics
in the backdrop, but it's not that much realistic.
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMlbl-cAHGk
The images in 0:09 , 0:55 and 2:35 were Counterculture
influenced. Others weren't.
This modern example isn't so perfect, but it got me into
Perfume. Besides it is a little less grandiose than Polyrhythm:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Ux_h7aeOM
Their outfits can improve but it's still possible to emulate.
Also that the villain was wearing a Western suit.
In faith to your anti-progressive movement, would you rather
prefer the Counterculture influenced examples where Electro
House progressivism didn't influence the composition yet?
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Re: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 13, 2023, 5:38 pm
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"these are my examples"
I painfully listened to all of them and came out the other side
proud to not share your tastes.
"would you rather prefer the Counterculture influenced examples
where Electro House progressivism didn't influence the
composition yet?"
I do not consider any of your examples to be discernibly
Counterculture-influenced.
As far as I am concerned, the last respectable Jpop artist was:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAtgYY55XdM
Romantic magnum opus (healing my faith in true love since 1998):
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwU6h10TWlQ
#Post#: 18850--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
By: HikariDude Date: April 13, 2023, 8:50 pm
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To admit it, you have a better taste in aesthetics than me. Last
night I was confused because Perfume was the only artist I would
listen to, due to how familiar I was with them. Now embodying
your taste, it's kinda torture. But I don't know where to start
fresh.
The artist you posted admittedly sounded awesome due to how
organic it sounds, but it's not my style. I like a lot of disco
and synth-pop and their derivatives. I also like pop vocal
artists (specifically groups) that dance. K-pop does count, but
it's too Turanized. If I was mentioning Counterculture-era
examples, Michael and Janet Jackson are my favorite artists.
Their dances are fun. Their music is unifying. Their concepts
are creative. Their wardrobe is neat. Do you consider Yellow
Magic Orchestra to be Counterculture?
Thank you for your fair opinion. I'm always willing to improve.
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Re: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 14, 2023, 12:01 am
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"Do you consider Yellow Magic Orchestra to be Counterculture?"
This is complicated. In terms of motivation:
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Magic_Orchestra
[quote]they were "tired" of Japanese musicians imitating Western
and American music at the time and so they wanted to "make
something very original from Japan."[49][/quote]
but this ironically made YMO more widely known in the West (due
to implicitly Orientalist audiences seeking exoticism):
[quote]performing to sold-out crowds during tours in the United
States and Europe.[6] The single "Computer Game" had sold
400,000 copies in the United States[6] and reached No. 17 in the
UK Charts.[/quote]
than many of their contemporaries whose more locally limited
audience led to them ultimately typifying Jpop to a greater
extent in the long-term. This is a recurring phenomenon
throughout non-Western pop culture:
1) A producer in a Westernized country tries to be non-Western.
2) Orientalist consumers in the West like the product because it
(trying to be non-Western) feels exotic.
3) Eurocentrist local consumers observe the producer's prestige
in the West and consequently overrate the producer.
4) The producer, in order to maintain their overrated status,
ends up catering more to consumers in the West than to local
consumers.
5) The local consumers (continuing to overrate the producer)
accept this and hence end up adapting their tastes to match
those of their counterparts in the West.
6) Thus the producer who set out to be non-Western ends up
Orientalizing the local consumer market instead of genuinely
nationalizing it.
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Re: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
By: HikariDude Date: April 14, 2023, 7:58 am
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So if YMO appealed to their home area than overseas, then they
could've appealed better to your taste? Ok, so I guess if I want
to listen to new music, then Drill and Jersey Club (the public
aesthetic in NY) can be my new music. No, I actually do remember
liking Drill music, and I still kinda like it. It's energetic,
fast pace and clubby, except does Drill have that 'spirit' you
described in pre-colonial aesthetic superiority?
I'm also thinking I have to go to Japan in order to know what
artists are actually better. If going to the country isn't your
way of finding good artists, then how do you find good artists?
#Post#: 18858--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
By: HikariDude Date: April 14, 2023, 9:02 am
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But Perfume isn't to blame for their music. The blame is their
producer, Yasutaka Nakata. Perfume has had some songs that
weren't made by Nakata, which were 'Omajinai Perori', 'Kareshi
Bochuchu' and 'AkihabaLove'.
BTW I'm listening to a 1996 album by MAX (Chinen's girl group),
and it's good.
#Post#: 18860--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
By: HikariDude Date: April 14, 2023, 10:41 am
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Wait was it the same Rina? Like Perfume, Chinen went to Okinawa
Actors School. The difference is that Chinen was Counterculture.
#Post#: 18865--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 14, 2023, 4:47 pm
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"does Drill have that 'spirit' you described in pre-colonial
aesthetic superiority?"
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_music
[quote]Whet Moser wrote that Keef's songs are "lyrically,
rhythmically, and emotionally diminished, which is why they
sound so airless and claustrophobic ... It's not even
fatalistic, because that would imply a self-consciousness, a
moral consideration, that isn't there in the lyrics. It just is,
over and over again."[25] [/quote]
"If going to the country isn't your way of finding good artists,
then how do you find good artists?"
Nowadays with YouTube etc. it is easy to find most stuff online,
but back in the 90s I mainly relied on radio and TV shows, as
well as sampling booths in CD stores.
"MAX (Chinen's girl group)"
No.
"Wait was it the same Rina?"
There is no Rina in MAX. There is a Lina and a Reina:
(HTM) https://i.imgur.com/cwNh15c.png
(HTM) http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/png/d9b1656fb85f944287ffbb02d2a7a5b655d10b85_r.png
neither of whom are the same person as Chinen:
[img width=1007
height=1280]
(HTM) https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yrAAAOSwgCxj5u8u/s-l1600.jpg[/img]
The closest Chinen came to collaborating with MAX was a
compilation:
(HTM) https://www.discogs.com/master/1333715-Various-Velfarre-J-Pop-Night-Presents-Dance-With-You
which wasn't much good anyway.
#Post#: 18872--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
By: HikariDude Date: April 14, 2023, 7:27 pm
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"back in the 90s I mainly relied on radio and TV shows, as well
as sampling booths in CD stores."
What in today's time would you say works like radio, TV and CD
stores where the person runs it for the viewers?
[quote]Whet Moser[/quote]
I heard Moser worked for a Jewish company:
(HTM) https://www.linkedin.com/in/whet-moser-14111530
[quote]Editorial assistant
World Jewish Digest
Jul 2005 - Mar 2006 9 months[/quote]
"neither of whom are the same person as Chinen:"
The picture of Chinen looked so authentic I'm satisfied.
#Post#: 19227--------------------------------------------------
Recommended music to listen to
By: HikariDude Date: May 5, 2023, 6:34 pm
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Since you gave examples of both Western and non-Western games in
both Counterculture and post-Counterculture eras here:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-games-to-play/msg19217/#msg19217
[quote]The same divergence can be seen in wrestling games.
1990s Western:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lZDmltCIfg
1990s non-Western:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3LF4tIELpg
2010s Western:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqCmqmS10So
2010s non-Western:
(HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5XjVIJif_w
[/quote]
What would be your examples in music (both Western and
non-Western music from both 1990s and 2010s)?
Edit: Since you were mentioning wrestling as a game genre, I was
thinking of suggesting a music genre. For example, Electronic
Dance Music.
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