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The ancient rolemodels of our enemies
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 29, 2021, 11:39 pm
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The best way to know how our enemies of today think is to know
the historical figures whom they hold in high regard. Let's
get started:
vdare.com/articles/forget-cinco-de-mayo-let-s-start-celebrating-
hengist-horsa-day-on-may-5
[quote]Spring in Europe is a green time, a time of planting and
rebirth of the earth. It was also, for thousands of years, the
start of the campaigning season when armies which had been
closed in by the brutal European winter could break out, raid,
conquer and take new lands.
The spring of 449 AD brought the campaigning season with perhaps
the longest lasting impact in human history. Two German
brothers, Hengist (“stallion”) and Horsa (“horse”), chiefs of
the tribe of the Jutes, sailed for the devastated Roman province
of Britain after being hired by the Romanized Celtic British
leader, Vortigern, to fight his Celtic opponents, the Picts and
the Scots. For their service, Vortigern offered them monetary
rewards and the island of Thanet.
...
That first landing in 449, 1570 years ago this spring, led to
the landtaking of the Anglo-Saxons, and the birth of the English
nation. Britain, in the early Dark Ages, was to the North
Germanic tribes what North America would be to their descendants
a thousand years later—a land to be conquered, tamed and remade
in their own image. They were proud to be a nation of
conquerors, proud to have settled a new land and to have made it
their own. They had a healthy sense of self and no feelings of
guilt towards those who they had conquered. They went so far as
to refuse even to live in Celto-Roman settlements, leaving them
to rot.
Within several years after the landing, the brothers were at war
with Vortigern. Horsa died in battle against him in 455, at a
place recorded as Aegelsthrep, which is possibly present-day
Aylesford in Kent.
...
The native British were so terrified that they left Britain in
large numbers as refugees and settled in the areas that are now
Wales, Ireland and Brittany, France, giving the region its name
and the Celtic dialect that survives to this day.
The Saxons also used treachery to gain the upper hand, and were
not in the least ashamed of that fact, since all is fair in love
and war, and their main God, Woden, was a treacherous God.
According to Gildas, after Horsa was killed in battle with the
Celts, “The remaining Saxon leader, Hengist, called for a peace
conference, which took place on Salisbury Plain. In an event
known as 'the Night of the Long Knives', on their
arrival the Celts were treacherously massacred:
And Hengistus ordered the whole of his household that each one
should hide his knife under his foot in the middle of his shoe.
'And when I shall call out to you and say "Eu nimet saxas" (
draw your swords!), then draw your knives from the soles of your
shoes, and fall upon them, and stand strongly against them. And
do not kill their king, but seize him for the sake of my
daughter whom I gave to him in matrimony, because it is better
for us that he should be ransomed from our hands.' And they
brought together the conference, and the Saxons, speaking in a
friendly way, meanwhile were thinking in a wolfish way, and
sociably they sat down man beside man. Hengistus, as he had
said, spoke out, and all the three hundred elders of King
Vortigern were slaughtered, and only he was imprisoned, and was
chained, and he gave to them many regions for the ransom of his
soul, that is Est Saxum, Sut saxum , Middelseaxan, with other
districts under his control which they named.”
...
In a strange quirk of history, it is not the actual ancestors of
the English people who are celebrated, but the Romanized Celtic
British losers.
...
A new awakening of the unbreakable Germanic spirit of Hengist
and Horsa, an honoring of the heroes who conquered and stayed
without guilt, could help save England and the Anglosphere for
their posterity. A good spark to such an awakening would be to
set aside a day in spring, the beginning of the campaigning
season in old Europe, to commemorate the coming of the English
race to Britain.
May 5 will do just fine.
A people with a pride in their history, with an identity, cannot
be conquered or bred out of existence. That pride starts with
recognizing who our real heroes are, who we owe a debt to—one
that can never be repaid. Two such heroes were Hengist and
Horsa.[/quote]
So now we know: if our enemies ever offer us peace while
retaining their separate identity, it means they plan to sucker
us into lowering our guard whereupon they can easily massacre
us. Indeed, such behaviour was repeated frequently during the
colonial era. But now we see that it goes further back.
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Re: The ancient rolemodels of our enemies
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 4, 2021, 9:25 pm
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(HTM) https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-white-supremacists-qanon-enthusiasts-222625204.html
[quote]Displays of Crusader shields and tattoos derived from
Norse and Celtic symbols are of little surprise to medieval
historians like me who have long documented the appropriation of
the Middle Ages by today’s far right.
But amid all the expected Viking imagery and nods to the
Crusaders has been another dormant “medievalism” that has yet to
be fully acknowledged in reporting on both the far right and
conspiracy theorist movements: the Byzantine Empire.
...
In September 2017, Jason Kessler, an American neo-Nazi who
helped organize the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville,
Virginia, inaugurated a new supremacist group called “The New
Byzantium” project.
...
Kessler’s “New Byzantium” is intended to preserve white
dominance after what he calls “the inevitable collapse of the
American Empire.”
...
Kessler isn’t alone in appropriating the empire. Through my
research, I have monitored references of Byzantium in online
forums. Mentions of Byzantium are scattered across message
boards frequented by both white supremacists and QAnon
enthusiasts
...
For many on the far right, talk of Byzantium is cloaked in
Islamophobia – both online and in tragic real-life events.
A white supremacist who killed more than 50 worshippers at
mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, in 2019 railed against the
Turks and the conquest of Constantinople in a 74-page manifesto.
“We are coming for Constantinople, and we will destroy every
mosque and minaret in the city. The Hagia Sophia will be free of
minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully Christian owned
once more,” the shooter wrote. Throughout QAnon message boards,
the reconquest of Hagia Sophia is emblematic of the destruction
of Islam and the restoration of a mythic white Byzantium. One
post stated: “When we free Constantinople and the Hagia Sophia,
maybe we can talk.”
...
This “reconquest” of Constantinople had even been tied in some
online posts to the presidency of Donald Trump, with images
circulated online seemingly prophesying that it would happen
under his tenure. In one image, Trump is seen congratulating
Russian President Vladimir Putin “on the retaking of
Constantinople”
...
Putin himself is not averse to drawing on the symbolism of
Byzantium. The Russian state has long tried to position itself
as the rightful successor to the Byzantine Empire, with Moscow
as the “Third Rome.” This forms part of a religious and
political doctrine tied to Russian territorial expansion that
can be traced back as far as the late 15th century.
The far-right appropriation of Byzantium in the U.S. appears to
be influenced by this Russian interpretation. Indeed, Russian
proponents of the “Third Rome” doctrine have been cited as
influences by prominent figures on the American right.[/quote]
FUCK BYZANTIUM!
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Re: The ancient rolemodels of our enemies
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 12, 2022, 9:59 pm
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Our enemies want to revive Aristotelianism:
(HTM) https://vdare.com/articles/ancient-wisdom-for-modern-dissidents-guillaume-durocher-s-the-ancient-ethnostate
[quote]Aristotle expressed himself plainly in his Politics on
the subject of diversity and mass immigration; i.e., it was, in
the end, disastrous for the host nation:
Dissimilarity of stock is conducive to factional conflict, until
a cooperative spirit develops. For just as a city does not arise
from any chance multitude, so it does not arise in any chance
period of time. Hence those who have admitted joint settlers or
late settlers [of different stock] have for the most part split
into factions.[Politics, Book 5, Chapter 3]
Aristotle cites eight examples of ethnic conflict that arose
from the imprudent admission of “dissimilar stocks” to Greek
city-states.
...
Aristotle also emphasizes that xenophilia is a mark of tyranny:
It is characteristic of the tyrant to have foreigners rather
than persons from the city as companions for dining and
entertainment, the assumption being that the latter are enemies,
while the former do not act as rivals.[Politics, Book 5, Chapter
11]
This is especially important in regard to the tyrant’s
bodyguards:
The guard of a [legitimate] king is composed of citizens:
that of a tyrant is composed of foreigners.[Politics, Book
Three, Chapter 14]
Slaves, on the other hand, ought to be of varied stock in order
to make it more difficult for them to cooperate and thus to
minimize the danger of revolt.
...
These concerns were reflected even in the religion of the
ancients, which was short on recommendations of good
Samaritanism toward strangers and long on duties to one’s
ancestors. The chief duty was to produce descendants.
...
In other words, the democratic regime gave ordinary men a stake
in the system, thus motivating them to defend it.[/quote]
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Re: The ancient rolemodels of our enemies
By: guest55 Date: April 12, 2022, 11:46 pm
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[quote]Aristotle expressed himself plainly in his Politics on
the subject of diversity and mass immigration; i.e., it was, in
the end, disastrous for the host nation:[/quote]
How does the author explain the success of Ancient Rome then,
for example?
What was ‘race’ in ancient Rome?
[quote]There have been a number of stories in recent months
about the intersection of race and classics, and most of them
address issues in the discipline that are inextricably linked to
this narrative about the ancient world. In truth, it is
anachronistic to think of the ancient Greeks and Romans as
White; after all, contemporary racial categorizations,
especially the concepts of “Whiteness” and “Blackness,” are
fundamentally products of the modern era.[/quote]
More precisely, "Whiteness" and "Blackness" are products of
colonial America:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-'black'-and-'white'-identity-politics-scam/
[quote]
The question of whether race existed in some form in the
premodern past, especially in the ancient world, is extremely
murky. We know that the Greeks and Romans would never have
thought of themselves as part of an identity group with others
solely because they shared a skin color, nor should we assume
that all Greeks and Romans even had the same skin tone. But does
denying the existence of race in the ancient world sanitize our
view of ancient people, who could be just as xenophobic and
oppressive — does it have to be this concept of race to be
“race”? Or does trying to apply the term too broadly water down
its impact and merely serve to reinforce inaccurate ideas about
the similarity between our culture and those of people who lived
millennia ago? There is no answer, in part because the type of
evidence we would want to understand the structural impacts of
race in the ancient world is largely gone. We cannot truly know,
for example, what it meant to live in Athens as a person marked
as “non-Greek,” or how that person would have defined their own
identity. All we have are elite male Greeks and Romans writing
about other peoples.
This is why I wanted to use a teaching gallery in the course.
Art often reveals the implicit assumptions of a culture that are
not explicit in the literary evidence. In the gallery, I have
included a sample of some of the ancient materials from the
Kemper collection to show the range of colors used to depict
skin, from a deep black glaze to pale white marble. It can be
hard for modern audiences to unthink our own tendency to use
skin color as the ultimate signifier of racial identity. For
most of these objects, the color of the skin doesn’t mean
anything about the person’s race.[/quote]
(HTM) https://humanities.wustl.edu/features/kathryn-wilson-constructing-race-in-ancient-world
Ancient Rome Thrived When the Empire Welcomed Immigrants. We
Should Remember What Happened When That Changed
[quote]Instances of xenophobia shook the cities, each one worse
than the next, in the anxious years of the early fifth-century
Roman Empire. Doors were slammed in immigrants’ faces when they
asked for food, immigrant family members were kidnapped and
beaten on the road, an immigrant house of worship was set on
fire. One commentator, taking up his stylus to decry the foreign
“pestilence” ravaging his comfortable way of life, won instant
applause from Latin-speaking audiences. He twittered about
contemporary events with matter-of-fact indifference. “Everyone
insults the immigrant,” the poet Claudian said.[/quote]
(HTM) https://time.com/5850622/rome-immigrants/
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Re: The ancient rolemodels of our enemies
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 13, 2022, 12:34 am
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"How does the author explain the success of Ancient Rome then,
for example?"
In Aristotle's time, Rome was not yet dominant even within
Italy:
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Italy_IV_century_BC_-_Latina.svg/477px-Italy_IV_century_BC_-_Latina.svg.png
therefore it is likely that Aristotle would have considered Rome
a minor player, especially compared to his own student's
territory:
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/MacedonEmpire.jpg/1024px-MacedonEmpire.jpg
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Re: The ancient rolemodels of our enemies
By: guest55 Date: April 13, 2022, 12:39 am
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I see your point. Still, Ancient Rome was one of the most
successful empires that has ever existed. You're suggesting that
the author is allowed to disregard any argument from a time
period outside of the one he specifically designated in his
article?
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Re: The ancient rolemodels of our enemies
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 13, 2022, 12:59 am
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If you mean the VDare blogger, that's another matter. I was
referring to Aristotle himself, who did not live to see Rome
become more historically important than Macedonia. But you are
correct that our enemies are rarely inspired by Rome. (Which is
why stupid for False Leftists to call our enemies "fascists".)
While on the subject of Aristotle, however, here is someone else
who thought highly of him:
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle#On_medieval_Judaism
[quote]Maimonides also considered Aristotle to be the greatest
philosopher that ever lived, and styled him as the "chief of the
philosophers".[174][175][176] Also, in his letter to Samuel ibn
Tibbon, Maimonides observes that there is no need for Samuel to
study the writings of philosophers who preceded Aristotle
because the works of the latter are "sufficient by themselves
and [superior] to all that were written before them. His
intellect, Aristotle's is the extreme limit of human intellect,
apart from him upon whom the divine emanation has flowed forth
to such an extent that they reach the level of prophecy, there
being no level higher".[177][/quote]
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Re: The ancient rolemodels of our enemies
By: Blue Kumul Date: April 19, 2022, 6:33 am
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Rome was destroyed by the Vandals, who were "more white" than
the Romans. Racists see the Vandals as both racially superior
and more successful, which means they are unlikely to identify
with the Romans.
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Re: The ancient rolemodels of our enemies
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 22, 2022, 11:16 pm
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Shit:
(HTM) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10743827/White-supremacists-claim-ownership-Hollywood-blockbuster-Northman.html
[quote]White supremacists have claimed ownership over the new
Viking Hollywood blockbuster The Northman, which stars Nicole
Kidman and Anya Taylor-Joy.
...
'Northman is a based [agreeable] movie, all white cast and
shows pure raw masculinity.'
The connection between white supremacy and an interest in Viking
culture is not new.
...
He added: 'American white supremacists want to make Vinland
great again, laying out an imagined past in which Vikings are
the rightful conquerors of North America, locked in eternal
battle with the Skraelings, the Viking slur for indigenous
people.'
...
With its 'positive portrayal of heterosexual relationships and
sex' as well as 'intense portrayals of white female beauty', the
blockbuster fits into a criteria of content users of
white-nationalist site Stormfront would 'watch repeatedly'
...
Social media users have also expressed concern about the film,
with one person writing on Twitter: 'Does the Northman look like
white supremacy fan fiction to anyone else?'
Another commented: 'The alt right completely co-opted the movie
300. Imagine what they're going to do with The Northman.'
[/quote]
I had a post on the old forum answering a question about
Vikings, which I will repost here:
OLD CONTENT
"Were the vikings Aryan? Or is their sheer brutality a result of
Giant admixture?"
Vikings did not begin to exist until long after the Neolithic
era, therefore ancestrally they would be mixed like everyone
else.
In terms of genetic quality, the Viking lifestyle would have
selected for those who found raiding and commerce appealing.
Thus I would estimate that those who chose to stay in
Scandinavia would have had on average more Aryan blood than
those who chose to join the Viking expeditions. This would be
consistent with the Vikings being opposed to centralized states
and to Christianity.
I find it noteworthy that the Viking raids (which left (probably
mostly patrilineal) genetic imprint on the raided populations)
never reached Occitania, which was where the Cathars later
appeared. Racially, we could speculate that Occitania had more
Aryan blood than the rest of medieval Christendom in part due to
absence of Viking genetic imprint, hence not coincidentally came
up with the most Gnostic form of Christianity.
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Re: The ancient rolemodels of our enemies
By: guest55 Date: April 23, 2022, 12:01 am
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[quote]Racially, we could speculate that Occitania had more
Aryan blood than the rest of medieval Christendom in part due to
absence of Viking genetic imprint, hence not coincidentally came
up with the most Gnostic form of Christianity.[/quote]
Sounds like good speculation to me.
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