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#Post#: 273--------------------------------------------------
Non-Aryan maturity
By: rp Date: July 12, 2020, 7:46 pm
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Example of Jewish non-neoteny:
[img]
(HTM) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecw74LhUcAIJlu2?format=jpg&name=medium[/img]
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Non-Aryan maturity
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 24, 2020, 12:52 am
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OLD CONTENT
I have seen False Leftists insult rightists such as Ben Shapiro
(Jew) by calling him “short” and “pre pubescent”. As True
Leftists, this is unacceptable given our aesthetic standards
that value neoteny. IMO this is a slavish attitude that seeks to
uphold Western aesthetics, similar to how a bullied boy gets
“revenge” by bullying others.
This was particularly appalling to me as I have dealt with this
type of behavior; my parents would take out their frustration on
me, and kids in school would exclude me because the same was
done to them. What’s worse is soon I found myself nearly acting
the same way towards my younger siblings!
Back then, I didn’t want to sound too “whiny”, but now I realize
that the tactics false leftists use are remarkably similar, and
how this attitude is fundamentally Judaic. This illustrates the
False Left’s deference to authority. Their superficial
opposition to authority only extends insofar as it serves their
self interest, after which point they will lash out as those
perceived to be “lesser” than them. Thoughts?
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"IMO this is a slavish attitude that seeks to uphold Western
aesthetics"
You are correct. Not that Shapiro is even that neotenous in
reality (which just makes the False Left insult all the more
absurd)! Most obviously, look at his huge facial hair area
(entire lower cheek and jawline) and forearm hair:
A neotenous man should not have to shave his cheeks/jawline.
(Eventually I want men to be selectively bred until they have no
facial hair at all.)
But this is not even the main point. The main point is about why
rightists and False Leftists each consider the other immature. I
believe it is schematically equivalent to how men and women
typically each consider the opposite gender less mature than
their own gender (according to their own gender's conception of
maturity). Basically rightists stereotype False Leftists
similarly to how men stereotype women (ie. as girls), whereas
False Leftists stereotype rightists similarly to how women
stereotype men (ie. as boys).
"similar to how a bullied boy gets “revenge” by bullying others"
It is not revenge (which must be directed at the initiator of
violence); what you are describing is tradition in the truest
sense of the phenomenon: each generation being taught to accept
being bullied now in exchange for a chance to be the bully in
the future.
Revenge is in fact the best antidote to tradition: instead of
the present generation taking out the frustration accumulated
from being bullied by the previous generation by bullying the
next generation in turn (thereby passing on the frustration to
them, and ensuring the cycle continues), simply take out the
frustration by retaliating against the previous generation
(thereby breaking the cycle)!
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For reference:
www.bbc.com/future/article/20160418-the-real-reason-men-grow-bea
rds
[quote]our research on beards and voices shows that beards
probably evolved at least partly to help men boost their
standing among other men.
Compared to males and females of many other primates, men and
women on average look very different from each other – partly
thanks to men’s facial hair. And when we see differences between
males and females, the explanation often boils down to evolution
through sexual selection – the process that favours traits that
boost mating opportunities.
...
a number of studies have suggested that both men and women
perceive men with beards as older, stronger and more aggressive
than others. And dominant men can get more mating opportunities
by intimidating rivals to stand aside.
...
Beards aren’t the only feature that can convey dominance –
voices do too. People tend to vote for leaders with
lower-pitched voices, and during competitive tasks men lower the
pitch of their voice if they think they are more dominant than
their opponent. Like facial hair, voice pitch also easily
distinguishes men and women.[/quote]
In other words, the less a culture values dominance, the weaker
would be the selective pressure for large facial hair area (as
well as low voice pitch) among men. Thus the racial ideal
corresponding to the kind of culture we want would include
minimal facial hair area and minimal vocal sexual dimorphism.
Both of these are associated with high neoteny, since
prepubescent boys and girls both have no facial hair and
insignificant difference in vocal pitch.
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www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051201022811.htm
[quote]Hanson and Gluckman, who respectively head the Centre for
the Developmental Origins of Health and Disease (DOHaD) at the
University of Southampton, and the Liggins Institute at the
University of Auckland, New Zealand, researched the age of
puberty stretching back beyond the Stone Age.
They found that Paleolithic girls arrived at menarche - the
first occurrence of menstruation - between seven and 13 years.
This is a similar age to modern girls, which suggests that this
is the evolutionarily determined age of puberty in girls.
'This would have matched the degree of psychosocial maturation
necessary to function as an adult in Paleolithic society based
on small groups of hunter-gatherers,' they write.[/quote]
Now you understand why non-Aryans have so called "coming of age"
rituals, where they learn to "act their age" and chastise others
for not doing the same (effectively revitalizing the Paleolithic
era where immature individuals would be considered unworthy and
would be excommunicated from the tribe), be it Bar mitzvahs in
the case of Jews, or other rituals such as hazing in the case of
Gentiles.
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"So, one can have non-neoteny appearance like the supreme
leaders, yet can be Aryans from their actions, right?"
An individual can be noble in actions*. This does not imply that
the same individual can reliably produce biological descendants
who will also be noble in action. Aryan (as used to describe
blood) refers to the latter phenomenon, or what we call
heritable nobility.
(* This can also be simulated to a high degree of credibility by
any sufficiently cunning individual who wants to pretend to be
noble.)
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“ * This can also be simulated to a high degree of credibility
by any sufficiently cunning individual who wants to pretend to
be noble.)”
This must be why many Hollywood movies feature Jews playing the
role of noble characters, precisely because they are good at
feigning their personality on screen.
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I told you so:
scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=pjn.2017.351.358
[quote]Statistical analysis revealed that age at menarche was
negatively correlated with endomorphy and mesomorphy components
(r = -0.22 and r = -0.123, respectively), but positively
correlated with ectomorphy component (r = 0.207). Conclusion:
The findings indicated that age at menarche increases with
increasing ectomorphy, but decreases with endomorphy and
mesomorphy components. Thus, girls with high endomorphy and
mesomorphy attained menarche earlier than did girls with high
ectomorphy.[/quote]
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"Could the philosophies of pre-modern peoples outside the West
reflect a childlike stage of cognitive development?"
Yes!
"Why did Europeans reach Piaget's final stage of “formal
operational reasoning” long before the Rest?"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny_in_humans#Between_races,_ethniciti
es_and_among_primates
[quote]Montagu said that the "Mongoloid skull generally, whether
Chinese or Japanese, has been rather more neotenized than the
Caucasoid or European...,"[52] and Montagu added that "Chinese
peoples" are "perhaps" the best representatives of neoteny out
of the Mongoloids.[53] ... Montagu also observed that "the
skeleton of the classic Mongoloid type is very delicately made,
even down to the character of the sutures of the skull which,
like those of the infant skull, are relatively smooth and
untortuous.
...
Montagu said that Negroids have the following neotenous traits
relative to Caucasoids: flattish nose, flat roof of the nose,
small ears, narrower joints, frontal skull eminences, later
closure of the premaxillary sutures, less hairy, longer
eyelashes and cruciform pattern of the lower second and third
molars.[3][/quote]
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Neoteny
By: Starling Date: August 21, 2020, 4:41 am
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Why Asians Look Cute - a bit about neoteny here, though from a
materialist perspective.
(HTM) https://youtu.be/COkvq7WKy9Q
Still, the science is confirmed. Neoteny is inheritable and it's
almost universally deemed attractive.
So, go figure that an industry like modelling and pop star
manufacture use it for millions of dollars.
Still time for some idealistic interpretation about this? And
more universal, not just "Asians."Plus, it's hard to believe
with South Korean pop stars, too many of then have had surgery
to be taken on their word as bearing genuine neoteny. Average
people with childhood and early 20s pics compared in S. Korea or
most people in N. Korea would be better. The thumbnail, for one,
has people who have definitely been under the knife and are
wearing a lot of make up with studio lighting/photo filter, etc.
#Post#: 868--------------------------------------------------
Re: Neoteny
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 21, 2020, 6:03 am
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As usual, the mainstream treatment fails to distinguish between
neoteny and paedomorphy (or, to use Zea_Mayz's helpful
terminology, gracilization vs reduction). Worse, this video gets
sexual dimorphism wrong as well, claiming "men with low sexual
dimorphism look more feminine". No, they look less masculine. It
seems only Westerners have trouble understanding this. Less
masculine =/= more feminine, and less feminine =/= more
masculine FFS!
Related topic:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/
"with South Korean pop stars, too many of then have had surgery
to be taken on their word as bearing genuine neoteny"
Yes, and moreover, their surgery really does make them look more
feminine (as opposed to less masculine), further confusing the
issue when they are used as examples. Some of their features are
actually quite robust, but merely artificially smoothed. This is
why they look so disturbing (and ugly) in our eyes. In many
cases the faces obviously do not fit the bodies they are
attached to.
"Still time for some idealistic interpretation about this?"
Those with a truly neotenous appearance often have a tragic air
to them, a visual impression that they do not really belong in
this world. This impression is utterly absent from the K-Pop
aesthetic, which is wholly a product of worldliness and carries
no sense of tragedy whatsoever. This is also reflected in the
music.....
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Re: Non-Aryan maturity
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 14, 2021, 12:00 am
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These days, our enemies are so onboard with Duginism that they
praise virtually anything done by Serbs:
(HTM) https://vdare.com/posts/big-serb-wins-nba-mvp-award
But at least we get a side view of a low, sloping forehead plus
heavy brow ridge and nose (all low neoteny traits) out of it:
(HTM) https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/55103/maxresdefault_1_.jpg
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Re: Non-Aryan maturity
By: rp Date: June 14, 2021, 12:08 am
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I was just thinking about Jokic, but couldn't decide which
thread to post in. Jokic as an individual has not demonstrated
Gentile behavior (yet), so I didn't know whether to even talk
about him. But now that our enemies are, we get a chance to view
Turanian genetics.
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Re: Non-Aryan maturity
By: rp Date: June 15, 2021, 6:28 pm
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Jokic's brother demonstrates non-Aryan agressiveness:
(HTM) https://youtu.be/ghwGgwbopWY
For the record:
[B]Nuggets' Nikola Jokic's Brother Strahinja Arrested on
Suspicion of Assault[/b]
(HTM) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2856227-nuggets-nikola-jokics-brother-strahinja-arrested-on-suspicion-of-assault
[quote]
Strahinja Jokic, who is the brother of Denver Nuggets big man
Nikola Jokic, was arrested on suspicion of assault after
allegedly choking and pushing a woman in an apartment on
Thursday night.
Elise Schmelzer of the Denver Post reported the news, noting
police said Jokic—who had been drinking—shoved a woman he
wouldn't let leave the apartment they were in. [/B]They also
said he [b]grabbed and choked her when she went to call for help
from a balcony, threatening to do so "until she fell asleep."
[/quote]
See also:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-aggressiveness/
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-sexism/
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Re: Non-Aryan maturity
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 27, 2021, 4:27 am
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Returning to the distinction between neoteny and paedomorphy
(see above), a good example of the latter just appeared:
(HTM) https://us.yahoo.com/news/tiktok-star-xiao-qiumei-dies-122938104.html
[quote]Xiao Qiumei, an influencer from China, reportedly died
after falling from a 160-foot crane while recording herself for
a social-media post in Quzhou, China.
The Sun reported that the 23-year-old was speaking into a camera
in what appeared to be a crane cabin when she fell.
[img]
(HTM) https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/K02x86UfvONdj5Zh36LpFQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTI0MDA7aD0xODAwO2NmPXdlYnA-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/business_insider_articles_888/843e901794a377b9f31fc075f9ab5979[/img][/quote]
And the best evidence that paedomorphy is indeed not neoteny is
the following line:
[quote]Xiao had two children.[/quote]
The truly neotenous do not reproduce so early, as (by definition
of the term) our youth is extended. Many of us never reproduce
at all. Padeomorphs, on the other hand, tend to be highly
fertile (and possessing high sex drive). This confirms what I
explained a long time ago: paedomorphy is a mere superficial
effect not caused by neoteny, and even whose physiognomy (e.g.
round face with reduced features) is very different from that
produced by neoteny (e.g. oval face with gracilized features).
Of course, paedomorphs should eventually be prohibited from
reproducing.
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Re: Trump disapproval
By: acc9 Date: September 26, 2021, 1:26 am
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(HTM) https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/barron-trump-shows-off-his-6-foot-7-height-in-nyc/
Trump is so proud of his son Barron being 6'7" at 15, saying his
37-year-old son's a short guy at 6'6".....
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Re: Non-Aryan maturity
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 15, 2021, 10:23 pm
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(HTM) https://www.yahoo.com/news/12-she-just-became-youngest-010854109.html
[quote]On Wednesday, Sawsan, who towers at nearly 5-foot-8 like
some of her peers, but wears ponytails and other hair-dos
carefully styled by her mom, graduated from Broward College, the
youngest graduate in the school’s 61-year history. A 15-year-old
previously held the record.
The now-12-year-old earned an associate’s degree with a
concentration in biological science and a 4.0 GPA. In January,
she will go on to the University of Florida, where she will
study microbiology and cell science.
...
On the professional side, Sawsan dreams of working with
artificial intelligence in medicine.[/quote]
Face:
[img]
(HTM) https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/NRn5urAxXgb4T53v9.CQDQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/M8xFkhKlPva81GVL9E4..w--~B/aD04NTU7dz0xMTQwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/miami_herald_mcclatchy_975/1b18e5fb20f40331992ea2e3328d4de9[/img]
We previously covered another prodigy here:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg7509/#msg7509
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg7528/#msg7528
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg7516/#msg7516
[quote]
(HTM) https://img.olhardigital.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Laurent-Simons.jpg[/quote]
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