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#Post#: 4833--------------------------------------------------
The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 15, 2021, 1:20 am
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OLD CONTENT
Recently I was reading about New World nautical engineering.
Here is a good introduction:
web.mit.edu/ldewan/Public/raft/3094_presentation.pdf (please
study this link in full before continuing)
www.bradshawfoundation.com/thor/balsa-raft.php
[quote]Aboriginal navigation in Peru and adjoining sections of
north-western South America is a subject that is little known
and still less understood by modern boat builders and
anthropologist. The apparent reason is that the Peruvian Indian
boat building was based on principles entirely different from
those of our ancestry. To the European mind the only seaworthy
vessel is one made buoyant by a watertight, air-filled hull, so
big and high that it cannot be filled by the waves.
To the ancient Peruvians the only seaworthy craft was one which
could never be filled by water because its open construction
formed no receptacle to retain the invading seas, which washed
through. They achieved this by building exceedingly buoyant
rafts of Balsa wood.
This type of Peruvian Balsa raft could travel as far as the
islands of Polynesia, 4000 miles away. The first record of a
Peruvian Balsa raft antedates the actual discovery of the Inca
Empire. When Francisco Pizarro left the Panama Isthmus in 1526
on his second voyage of discovery down the Pacific coast of
South America; his expedition found Peruvian merchants sailors
at sea long before he discovered their country.
His Pilot was sailing ahead to explore the coast southwards near
the equator, when off northern Ecuador his ship suddenly met
another sailing vessel of almost equal size, coming in the
opposite direction.
The raft was manned by 20 Indian men and women, 11 of whom were
thrown overboard, four were left with the raft, and two men and
three women were retained by the Spanish to be trained as
interpreters for later voyages.[/quote]
This is, of course, standard colonialist treatment of
"non-whites". But there is more:
[quote]The Spaniards estimated the raft capacity at 36 tons,
only a fraction less than their own vessel.
Their report stated that it carried masts and yards of very fine
wood, and cotton sails in the same shape and manner as on their
own ships. It had very good rigging of hemp, stronger than their
own rope, and mooring stones for anchors. Many similar accounts
described rafts made of long and light logs, always of odd
number, 5,7,9 or 11, tied together with cross beams and covered
by a deck. The larger ones had the ability to carry up to 50 men
and three horses, and had a special cooking place on board in a
thatched hut. The cargoes often included salt, another proof of
their seaworthiness.
These rafts are navigated simply by raising and lowering
centreboards inserted in the cracks between the logs. By raising
and lowering these boards in different parts of the Balsa raft,
the natives could perform on their raft all the manoeuvres of a
regularly built and well rigged European vessel, and obtain
speeds of 4 to 5 knots. Tiny models of the rafts have been found
in graves, along with carved centreboards, near Arica in
northern Chile. The sail was probably know on the Peruvian coast
earlier than pottery and weaving.[/quote]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centreboard
[quote]Lt. John Schank (c. 1740 – 6 February 1823) was an
officer of the British Royal Navy and is credited with the
invention of the centerboard. Schank, however, gave credit for
the idea to British Brigadier General Earl Percy.[/quote]
NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER FORGET.
#Post#: 11012--------------------------------------------------
The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 2, 2022, 10:58 pm
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OLD CONTENT
The main purpose of this topic is to supply contrast to:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/
For example, this post will supply contrast to such **** as in:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3980/#msg3980
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg7813/#msg7813
so we post non-Western paintings that reflect a completely
different worldview. In the following examples, note the
abundance of unfilled space, simple colour schemes and total
rejection of 3D:
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/%E9%AB%98%E5%A5%87%E5%B3%B0_%E9%B3%A5.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Bamboo_and_Stone_by_Guan_Daosheng.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Zheng_Xie_-_Bamboo_and_rock_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg/503px-Zheng_Xie_-_Bamboo_and_rock_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Mi_Style_Landscape_fan.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://img.dpm.org.cn/Uploads/Picture/dc/64538[1024].jpg
(HTM) https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/1675/01/01/eight-views-of-the-xiao-and-xiang-rivers-52f370-1024.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/ZhOngSchanTchowBamboo.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/OngSchanTchowFish.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/ZhOngSchanTchowLonelyWoodcutter.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Xu_Yuting_Fishing_on_a_Willow-banked_Stream_ink_on_paper_hanging_scroll_The_Hashimoto_Collectin.jpg/370px-Xu_Yuting_Fishing_on_a_Willow-banked_Stream_ink_on_paper_hanging_scroll_The_Hashimoto_Collectin.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Yujian_ink_Mercadodemonta%C3%B1a.jpg
(HTM) https://www.chinasage.inf
o/imgs/MountainHermitage.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Leaves_and_Insects_by_Qi_Baishi_.jpg
(HTM) https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/2021/01/24/pd_china-893a64-1024.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Tsuji_Kako_Paintings.jpg/196px-Tsuji_Kako_Paintings.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Evening_Landscape%2C_c._1540%2C_Japan%2C_Muromachi_period.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Gejou_Keikoku_Painting.jpg/174px-Gejou_Keikoku_Painting.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Branch_of_Blossoming_Plum_by_Soga_Shohaku%2C_c._1770%2C_Edo_period%2C_Japan%2C_ink_on_paper_-_Sackler_Museum_-_DSC02581.JPG/1024px-Branch_of_Blossoming_Plum_by_Soga_Shohaku%2C_c._1770%2C_Edo_period%2C_Japan%2C_ink_on_paper_-_Sackler_Museum_-_DSC02581.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://free-images.com/lg/24fd/budo_to_risu_by.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Sesshu_-_Haboku-Sansui.jpg/497px-Sesshu_-_Haboku-Sansui.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Kiyoshi_Watanabe_Painting.jpg/1024px-Kiyoshi_Watanabe_Painting.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Hasegawa_Tohaku_-_Pine_Trees_%28Sh%C5%8Drin-zu_by%C5%8Dbu%29_-_right_hand_screen.jpg/1024px-Hasegawa_Tohaku_-_Pine_Trees_%28Sh%C5%8Drin-zu_by%C5%8Dbu%29_-_right_hand_screen.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Shubun_-_Reading_in_a_Bamboo_Grove_detail.jpg/599px-Shubun_-_Reading_in_a_Bamboo_Grove_detail.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Orchids_and_Rocks_along_a_Riverbank_by_Ike_no_Taiga%2C_Honolulu_Museum_of_Art.JPG/418px-Orchids_and_Rocks_along_a_Riverbank_by_Ike_no_Taiga%2C_Honolulu_Museum_of_Art.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/%E7%8C%B4%E8%B2%93%E5%9C%96.jpg/1024px-%E7%8C%B4%E8%B2%93%E5%9C%96.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://wahooart.com/Art.nsf/O/8XYD87/$File/Katsushika-Hokusai-Tanuki.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Sy%C5%8Dky%C5%8D-zu_2.jpg
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 3, 2022, 8:21 pm
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OLD CONTENT contd.
Remember, it's not just the paintings, but also the frames.
Contrasting with:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg6186/#msg6186
non-Homo-Hubris people use either soft scrolls:
(HTM) https://s.yimg.com/ob/image/1bda344f-0f3d-4d1b-b990-30c568af2928.jpg
(HTM) https://img03.hamazo.tv/usr/tenshoudo/koboku157.jpg
[img width=960
height=1280]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Hanging_scroll_and_Ikebana_1.jpg[/img]
(HTM) https://www.zihuamei.com/userfiles/newscnzhm201762791748664295.jpg
(HTM) https://i2.kknews.cc/E_s0hRJzvlUEOleWPnJFNcjj_tiIkmVn6uY4pA/0.jpg
(HTM) http://file5.gucn.com/file/CurioPicfile/20110918/Gucn_20110918198216160634Pic2.jpg
[img width=574
height=1280]
(HTM) https://8.blog.xuite.net/8/b/2/7/29072857/blog_3443649/txt/104976803/10.jpg[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://www.shop.moj.gov.tw/public/Data/35210315971.JPG[/img]
or even when they use hard frames, these are totally undecorated
and purely functional, as anyone with even the most elementary
level of taste would assume all frames should be:
(HTM) http://www.zihuazb.com/zb_users/upload/2019/05/201905171558058922689250.jpg
(HTM) https://img.alicdn.com/i4/745546715/O1CN014knCfz1zTWEyaAWFf_!!0-item_pic.jpg_q50s50.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://cf.shopee.tw/file/b781c0aa35b9b2c55321a5592d891722[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://cf.shopee.tw/file/0f788abf93f888ccfed30736304bb63b[/img]
(HTM) http://www.zihuazb.com/zb_users/upload/2019/08/201908271566875798643110.jpg
(HTM) https://img.ruten.com.tw/s2/0/40/70/22025701124208_918.jpg
(HTM) https://www.art2500.com/uploadfile/ueditor/image/20190418/1555557925955897.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://imgservice.suning.cn/uimg1/b2c/image/fbbX7hymaaDW21kkk8qTQA.jpg_800w_800h_4e[/img]
(HTM) https://www.chinayis.com/image.php?maxwidth=400&maxheight=400&image=/Uploads/Picture/2018-03-13/5aa78f21e1bc2.png
It is only when we compare side-by-side that we see fully how
Western aesthetics are utterly **** in the head.
And the sad thing is, there are literally billions of
Eurocentrists out there who still presume Western aesthetics are
superior without having ever made proper comparisons.....
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 4, 2022, 8:09 pm
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OLD CONTENT contd.
[member=1]90sRetroFan[/member]
I actually love these type of art forms as well. Have always
been a fan of brush strokes and line work. Quite often I prefer
a sketch to a finished piece for example. I think the only thing
I get confused about is your use of the term '3D'. For myself
any work of art that has any shading in it at all has entered
into the third dimension, no? So from my perspective, there is
actually some 3D art in the images you presented below. I do not
see "the total rejection of 3D" in those images as you do. Some
clarification in this regard would be appreciated, thank you!
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"For myself any work of art that has any shading in it at all
has entered into the third dimension, no?"
I would say only if the shading attempts to simulate material
space. In the examples I have posted, however, the shading still
obviously looks like a 2D splash of ink on a 2D surface; in many
cases you can even trace the 2D trajectory of the painter's hand
by looking at it.
This is a similar difference as between pixel sprites (2D) and
polygon models (3D):
[img]
(HTM) https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ppusf4-featured.jpg?w=1200&strip=all[/img]
Due to the visibility of the pixels, the sprites on the left,
even though they involve shading, are still perceived in our
minds as 2D, as opposed to the polygon models on the right which
are instantly discernible as 3D. (And notice how much more
expressive the faces on the left are! This is the superiority of
2D.)
Formally speaking, I would require the following (all of which
are uniquely Western techniques) to be used for a painting to be
considered 3D:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_art#Techniques
[quote]The use of proportion – The first major treatment of the
painting as a window into space appeared in the work of Giotto
di Bondone, at the beginning of the 14th century. True linear
perspective was formalized later, by Filippo Brunelleschi and
Leon Battista Alberti. In addition to giving a more realistic
presentation of art, it moved Renaissance painters into
composing more paintings.
Foreshortening – The term foreshortening refers to the artistic
effect of shortening lines in a drawing so as to create an
illusion of depth.
Sfumato – The term sfumato was coined by Italian Renaissance
artist Leonardo da Vinci and refers to a fine art painting
technique of blurring or softening of sharp outlines by subtle
and gradual blending of one tone into another through the use of
thin glazes to give the illusion of depth or
three-dimensionality. This stems from the Italian word sfumare
meaning to evaporate or to fade out. The Latin origin is fumare,
to smoke.
Chiaroscuro – The term chiaroscuro refers to the fine art
painting modeling effect of using a strong contrast between
light and dark to give the illusion of depth or
three-dimensionality. This comes from the Italian words meaning
light (chiaro) and dark (scuro), a technique which came into
wide use in the Baroque period.[/quote]
The examples posted above, to their credit, use none of these.
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 25, 2023, 9:07 pm
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OLD CONTENT contd.
The same applies to pottery. Contrast:
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against the following, where simple shapes and monochrome
decoration predominate:
(HTM) https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/T2wAAOSwKIhdyLrS/s-l300.jpg
(HTM) https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Z1QAAOSwbHFib99v/s-l500.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Brush_holder%2C_early_18th_century%2C_Chinese%2C_hard-paste_porcelain%2C_Honolulu_Museum_of_Art.JPG/514px-Brush_holder%2C_early_18th_century%2C_Chinese%2C_hard-paste_porcelain%2C_Honolulu_Museum_of_Art.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://artlogic-res.cloudinary.com/w_600,h_600,c_limit,f_auto,fl_lossy/ws-anitagray/usr/library/images/main/9372/image-0762.jpg
[img width=1280
height=1041]
(HTM) https://i.pinimg.com/originals/34/3f/72/343f725a40fc1ff62f31f1b9c5136f63.jpg[/img]
(HTM) https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/1725/12/31/chinese-vase-with-fabulous-animal-walters-49959-8c08ae-1024.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/White_Porcelain_Bottle_with_Orchid_and_Bamboo_Design_in_Underglaze_Cobalt_Blue.jpg/682px-White_Porcelain_Bottle_with_Orchid_and_Bamboo_Design_in_Underglaze_Cobalt_Blue.jpg
[img width=1280
height=960]
(HTM) https://bellamysworld.com/sites/default/files/products/IB02592B.jpg[/img]
(HTM) https://images.antiquesatlas.com/dealer-stock-images/catherine_hunt_oriental_antiques/Ming_17th_Century__Kosometsuke_as073a180z.jpg
(HTM) https://s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/aws.rm-auctions.com/thumbnails/width/1000/2017/01/10/b3bf247/a-chinese-ko-sometsuke-blue-and-white-saucer-dish-for-the-japanese-market-transitional-period-1620-1683-1.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Dish_with_poem%2C_China%2C_Ming_or_Qing_dynasty%2C_porcelain_with_underglaze_blue_-_%C3%96stasiatiska_museet%2C_Stockholm_-_DSC09490.JPG/506px-Dish_with_poem%2C_China%2C_Ming_or_Qing_dynasty%2C_porcelain_with_underglaze_blue_-_%C3%96stasiatiska_museet%2C_Stockholm_-_DSC09490.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Bowl_with_Design_of_Five_Horses_in_a_Landscape_LACMA_M.2004.216.6.jpg/982px-Bowl_with_Design_of_Five_Horses_in_a_Landscape_LACMA_M.2004.216.6.jpg
(HTM) https://artlogic-res.cloudinary.com/w_800,h_800,c_limit,f_auto,fl_lossy,q_auto/artlogicstorage/mitsuifinearts/images/view/9d85227042b4c2fe5a8385a68c24d01aj/mitsuifinearts-artisan-s-name-unknown-ko-imari-arita-ware-sometsuke-waves-and-leaves-set-of-2-c.-17th-century.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Five_Sencha_Cups%2C_by_Tomioka_Tessai%2C_Imao_Keinen_and_Tajika_Chikuson%2C_Honolulu_Museum_of_Art.jpg/1024px-Five_Sencha_Cups%2C_by_Tomioka_Tessai%2C_Imao_Keinen_and_Tajika_Chikuson%2C_Honolulu_Museum_of_Art.jpg
[img width=1280
height=853]
(HTM) https://www.rm-auctions.com/images/2018/09/10/f8ac5fc/a-pair-of-chinese-blue-and-white-bleu-de-hue-vietnamese-market-cups-and-saucers-neifu-marks-1920th-c-7.jpg[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Sometsuke-Shochikubaimon-Ozara_from_side_Nabeshima_ware_Saga_Prefectural_Museum.JPG/1024px-Sometsuke-Shochikubaimon-Ozara_from_side_Nabeshima_ware_Saga_Prefectural_Museum.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Bowl_with_maxim_in_Kufic_script%2C_Iran%2C_Neyshabur%2C_10th_century_AD%2C_underglaze_slip-painted_earthenware_-_Aga_Khan_Museum_-_Toronto%2C_Canada_-_DSC06484.jpg/1035px-Bowl_with_maxim_in_Kufic_script%2C_Iran%2C_Neyshabur%2C_10th_century_AD%2C_underglaze_slip-painted_earthenware_-_Aga_Khan_Museum_-_Toronto%2C_Canada_-_DSC06484.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Bowl_with_foliated_Kufic_inscription%2C_Iran%2C_Nishapur%2C_10th_century%2C_slip-painted_earthenware_-_Royal_Ontario_Museum_-_DSC04655.JPG/1140px-Bowl_with_foliated_Kufic_inscription%2C_Iran%2C_Nishapur%2C_10th_century%2C_slip-painted_earthenware_-_Royal_Ontario_Museum_-_DSC04655.JPG[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Bowl_with_Kufic_Arabic_inscription%2C_Samarqand%2C_10th_century%2C_earthenware_with_slip-painted_underglaze_-_Royal_Ontario_Museum_-_DSC04614.JPG/1034px-Bowl_with_Kufic_Arabic_inscription%2C_Samarqand%2C_10th_century%2C_earthenware_with_slip-painted_underglaze_-_Royal_Ontario_Museum_-_DSC04614.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Bowl_with_Kufic_Calligraphy%2C_10th_century.jpg/966px-Bowl_with_Kufic_Calligraphy%2C_10th_century.jpg
(HTM) https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/2015/10/06/bowl-with-maxim-in-kufic-script-iran-neyshabur-10th-century-ad-underglaze-slip-960da8-640.jpg
[img width=1280
height=1280]
(HTM) https://sothebys-md.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/18ec806/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2000x2000+0+0/resize/2048x2048!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsothebys-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fmedia-desk%2Ff0%2F6f%2F00678a5e46c4b6ca8d8df0723c40%2Fl22220-c5cpn-02-t2.jpg[/img]
[img width=1280
height=1280]
(HTM) https://scontent.fhkg4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/60354243_2765316533539912_5328099761834688512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=KOK-PO0OgZ4AX_eruEP&_nc_ht=scontent.fhkg4-1.fna&oh=00_AfA6BnJhJdZBCY2a1VCgN4cJF3FTSUaYgClDhNfS6wy2IQ&oe=6447003F[/img]
(HTM) https://i.pinimg.com/originals/33/00/ca/3300ca8a5e1d1c65a0262e9349d503f2.jpg
(HTM) https://images.museumwnf.org/zoom/objects/epm/gr/21/36/1.jpg
(HTM) https://humbermuseums.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1964.113.3.jpg
[img width=1280
height=707]
(HTM) https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/is/original/wb-40.170.25b.JPG[/img]
[img width=1280
height=1280]
(HTM) https://sothebys-md.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/8582008/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2000x2000+0+0/resize/2048x2048!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsothebys-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fmedia-desk%2Fc2%2F38%2Fcc38413c45c7a61d11243ddaebe3%2Fl22220-c5cpn-01-t2.jpg[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Tripod_plate_from_Cholula%2C_Postclassic.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-aeayxhbik4/images/stencil/1024x1024/products/241247/1007571/0200-41595-PT-01-Vintage-Hopi-Tewa-Pottery-Bowl__53218.1636470594.JPG?c=2[/img]
(HTM) https://www.silvertq.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/PO1012C-copy.jpg
[img width=720
height=1280]
(HTM) https://i.etsystatic.com/32055796/r/il/fcb9d9/4215127756/il_1588xN.4215127756_t7q6.jpg[/img]
[img width=1280
height=854]
(HTM) https://www.vintagestuffstore.com/assets/images/IMGP1256%202.jpg[/img]
And even in polychrome works, emphasis on unfilled space
remains:
[img]
(HTM) https://www.asianart.com/phpforum/pictures/41418_2010_0203brushpots0009.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Chinese_-_Dish_with_Flowering_Prunus_-_Walters_492365_-_Interior.jpg/1024px-Chinese_-_Dish_with_Flowering_Prunus_-_Walters_492365_-_Interior.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Dish_with_hollyhock_design%2C_Nabeshima_ware%2C_Edo_period%2C_18th_century%2C_overglaze_enamel_-_Tokyo_National_Museum_-_DSC06022.JPG/1012px-Dish_with_hollyhock_design%2C_Nabeshima_ware%2C_Edo_period%2C_18th_century%2C_overglaze_enamel_-_Tokyo_National_Museum_-_DSC06022.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/2016/06/16/small-bowl-with-thistle-design-lacma-m20042162-a4a6be-1024.jpg
(HTM) https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6pQAAOSwSGRgjDWD/s-l500.jpg
[img width=1051
height=1280]
(HTM) https://art.thewalters.org/images/art/PS1_48.1301_VwC_DD_T12.jpg[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0571/3405/products/C0102-1_1f1f90e8-6a21-4273-82b2-44fc8cae222d_1024x1024.jpg?v=1678130482[/img]
(HTM) https://assets.isu.pub/document-structure/220719200051-cbe773e18bedb8410514d12162191e36/v1/8d2b2775acf550164de719f9c3f434c8.jpeg
(HTM) https://assets.isu.pub/document-structure/220719200051-cbe773e18bedb8410514d12162191e36/v1/1177ebac05d4626ce54bc9163bbf1838.jpeg
(HTM) https://assets.isu.pub/document-structure/220719200051-cbe773e18bedb8410514d12162191e36/v1/70456170853c70309f91cfc91df6c0c4.jpeg
(HTM) https://www.medicinemangallery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/95cdaf4b2e6448d48fbda09e8e8eb0ba/p/2/p2897.jpg
(And these, though far superior to the Western ****, would
likely have been considered tacky back in their own time.
Examples of timelessly superior pottery will be subsequently
provided in a separate post.)
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I would like to note that pre-industrial American crocks (which
unfortunately fell out of fashion after industrialization)
contrast strongly with colonial-era Western styles and could
even be argued to be a fresh iteration of indigenous New World
styles:
(HTM) https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/d2/67/eed267d75b3b27f6b4b8e3c6b8c8b4b4.jpg
(HTM) https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/SouthBay/54/636254/H2373-L159038754.jpg
This is what Americans need to get back to considering superior
to anything produced by the post-Renaissance Western colonial
powers.
#Post#: 18621--------------------------------------------------
Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: HikariDude Date: March 26, 2023, 11:20 pm
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"simple shapes and monochrome decoration"
I mentioned in a previous post about how NS Uniforms and Spears
and Timberlake's denim outfit, though not as simple in shape,
were "monotone" (now calling it monochrome) in color. Maybe if
you'd like, I would love to see some historically monochrome
outfits compared to today's "monochrome" outfits where most of
the time, the color is just western dress codes with neon colors
that look rather less monochrome in some areas (though still
superior than something varied in color like circus or carnival
dress).
"And even in polychrome works, emphasis on unfilled space
remains:"
The colors in the polychrome works weren't that emphasized or
different from each other.
"pre-industrial American crocks"
Those you posted don't look too different from the non-western
pottery. I theorized about some American cultural elements being
influenced from Chinese culture, like the fireworks,
thanksgiving (invented by Shennong as harvest thanksgiving), and
now the pottery, because I saw Chinese characters in some of the
pottery you included that resembled the American pottery.
#Post#: 18631--------------------------------------------------
Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 28, 2023, 12:37 am
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OLD CONTENT contd.
As promised, now let us look at the high-quality pottery, which
involves even lighter decoration than the previous examples:
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Gr%C3%A8s_chinois_Guimet.jpg/1280px-Gr%C3%A8s_chinois_Guimet.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Percival_David_Collection_DSCF3119.jpg/1024px-Percival_David_Collection_DSCF3119.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Vas._Song-_eller_Yuan-dynastin%2C_Jun-yao_-_Hallwylska_museet_-_96227.tif/lossy-page1-682px-Vas._Song-_eller_Yuan-dynastin%2C_Jun-yao_-_Hallwylska_museet_-_96227.tif.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/MET_19_56_2_O.jpg/1079px-MET_19_56_2_O.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/MET_DP703022.jpg/1024px-MET_DP703022.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/MET_43477.jpg/922px-MET_43477.jpg
(HTM) https://live.staticflickr.com/8617/16407167911_6f45d749fc_b.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://madparis.fr/local/cache-responsive/cache-360/dab15eaab5afd65a2c3452da81aa5e92.jpg?1632849189[/img]
[img width=894
height=1280]
(HTM) https://c8.alamy.com/compes/2b8dj3b/doble-calabaza-en-forma-de-botella-de-sake-en-ingles-japon-durante-el-periodo-edo-1615-1868-siglo-xix-titulo-alternativo-muebles-tokkuri-accesorios-gres-ceramica-seto-con-esmalte-vidriado-y-decoracion-clara-estatura-6-5-8-16-83-cm-diametro-4-1-8-in-10-48-cm-de-regalo-de-james-d-y-veronica-h-roorda-m-2008264-35-arte-japones-siglo-xix-fecha-qs-p571-1850-00-00t00-00-00z-7-2b8dj3b.jpg[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Hon%27ami_Koetsu_Fujisan_1.jpg/800px-Hon%27ami_Koetsu_Fujisan_1.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Japanese_-_Tea_Ceremony_Vessel_-_Walters_49234_-_Profile.jpg/665px-Japanese_-_Tea_Ceremony_Vessel_-_Walters_49234_-_Profile.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Aichi_Prefectural_Ceramic_Museum_%2838%29.jpg/1024px-Aichi_Prefectural_Ceramic_Museum_%2838%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Aichi_Prefectural_Ceramic_Museum_%2836%29.jpg/1024px-Aichi_Prefectural_Ceramic_Museum_%2836%29.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Large_bowl_Asian_Art_Museum_SF_B84P1.JPG/1024px-Large_bowl_Asian_Art_Museum_SF_B84P1.JPG[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://img.fril.jp/img/477788546/l/1452656072.jpg?1641900272[/img]
(HTM) https://auctions.afimg.jp/g1073464496/ya/image/g1073464496.1.jpg
(HTM) https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/2021/02/25/eiraku-wazen-sake-bottle-walters-49231-profile-e94c44-1024.jpg
A particularly non-Western decorative approach is to
deliberately accentuate the microscopic irregularities of the
vessel itself, such as by getting the glaze to crack during
firing:
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/425203204_640068f512_o.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Percival_David_Collection_DSCF3585_01.jpg/559px-Percival_David_Collection_DSCF3585_01.jpg
(HTM) https://cdn.kastatic.org/ka-perseus-images/61a3da032af4ca0611737bdfd5c35a644a079c3b.jpg
(HTM) https://p5.storage.canalblog.com/59/37/119589/106571054_o.jpg
[img width=1280
height=1224]
(HTM) https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/eldreds/37/651237/H0011-L179456299_original.jpg[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://p1.liveauctioneers.com/188/277488/146207479_1_x.jpg?quality=80&version=1675532530[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://images.aspireauctions.com/auctions/2018APR/large/97844-01.jpg?107147841000[/img]
(HTM) https://i.etsystatic.com/21387540/r/il/4eebdf/4135562826/il_340x270.4135562826_tiki.jpg
(HTM) https://i.etsystatic.com/24424591/r/il/1c8a57/3738898796/il_fullxfull.3738898796_t46s.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://openmuseum.tw/files/muse_portal/muse_styles/waterfall_col_4/mcode/fd08542d9fabb260ff2c4b82419e5a78.jpg?itok=qFRlLNQb[/img]
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Looking back to the Western examples, I immediately had
flashbacks to my childhood when I would gag when looking at such
pottery
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At least we can laugh at Duchesne for not gagging.....
And this is just pottery. Wait until we move on to other stuff.
I plan to do landscaping next. (By the way, you can post stuff
too, you know?)
#Post#: 18662--------------------------------------------------
Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 29, 2023, 10:25 pm
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OLD CONTENT contd.
To continue a theme also briefly touched upon here:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/msg5521/#msg5521
in contrast to Western hubrisgardens which emphasize obsessive
control:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4050/#msg4050
let's look at pre-colonial non-Western gardens where the
irregularity of the growing elements is welcomed as
complementary to the regularity of a non-growing frame:
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Menara_Gardens_%282357045101%29.jpg/1280px-Menara_Gardens_%282357045101%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Menara_Bassin_and_Garden_Pavilion%2C_Marrakech_1989.jpg/1280px-Menara_Bassin_and_Garden_Pavilion%2C_Marrakech_1989.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/MarrakechMenaraReservoir.jpg/1024px-MarrakechMenaraReservoir.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Menara_pabell%C3%B3n._04.jpg/1280px-Menara_pabell%C3%B3n._04.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Menara_pabell%C3%B3n._05.jpg/1280px-Menara_pabell%C3%B3n._05.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/%D8%B4%D8%AC%D8%B2%D8%B1%D8%A9_%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%86_%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%82_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9.jpg/768px-%D8%B4%D8%AC%D8%B2%D8%B1%D8%A9_%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%86_%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%82_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Menara_Garden_%28Marrakech%2C_Moroc%29_03.jpg/1280px-Menara_Garden_%28Marrakech%2C_Moroc%29_03.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Shalimar_Bagh_2008.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Shalimar_Bagh_Srinagar_20170807_130508.jpg/1280px-Shalimar_Bagh_Srinagar_20170807_130508.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Shalimar_gardens.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/ShalimarGarden.jpg/1280px-ShalimarGarden.jpg
[img width=1280
height=853]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Unnamed2_-_panoramio_%283929%29.jpg[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Srinagar_-_Shalimar_Gardens_36.JPG/768px-Srinagar_-_Shalimar_Gardens_36.JPG[/img]
[img]
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[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Srinagar_-_Shalimar_Gardens_20.JPG/768px-Srinagar_-_Shalimar_Gardens_20.JPG[/img]
[img width=1280
height=719]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Front_Wah_Gardens.jpg[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/View_of_hill_from_Wah_Mughal_Gardens.jpg/1280px-View_of_hill_from_Wah_Mughal_Gardens.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Pond_in_Wah_Mughal_Gardens.jpg/1280px-Pond_in_Wah_Mughal_Gardens.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Sitting_place_for_kings_over_canals_in_Wah_Mughal_Gardens.jpg/1280px-Sitting_place_for_kings_over_canals_in_Wah_Mughal_Gardens.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Fountain_water_running_up_to_end_of_Wah_Mughal_Gardens.jpg/1280px-Fountain_water_running_up_to_end_of_Wah_Mughal_Gardens.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Cells_in_Wah_Mughal_Gardens.jpg/1280px-Cells_in_Wah_Mughal_Gardens.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Mughalgarden-Wah.JPG/1280px-Mughalgarden-Wah.JPG[/img]
or where even the non-growing elements are arranged irregularly
(such that the only regularity is that of individual
structures):
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Sri_Lanka-Sigiriya-Lustgarten.JPG/1280px-Sri_Lanka-Sigiriya-Lustgarten.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Sigiriya-palau_inferior2.jpg/1280px-Sigiriya-palau_inferior2.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Sigiriya_0133.jpg/1280px-Sigiriya_0133.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Sigiriya_terraced_gardens_05.JPG/1280px-Sigiriya_terraced_gardens_05.JPG[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Sigiriya_terraced_gardens_08.JPG/1280px-Sigiriya_terraced_gardens_08.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Sigiriya_0193.jpg/1280px-Sigiriya_0193.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Sigiriya_0200.jpg/1280px-Sigiriya_0200.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/LK-sigiriya-anlagen-03.jpg/1280px-LK-sigiriya-anlagen-03.jpg
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_01.JPG/768px-Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_01.JPG[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_05.JPG/768px-Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_05.JPG[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_07.JPG/1280px-Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_07.JPG[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_10.JPG/1280px-Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_10.JPG[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_13.JPG/1280px-Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_13.JPG[/img]
[img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_16.JPG/768px-Sigiriya_boulder_gardens_16.JPG[/img]
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Sigiriya_monks_cell1.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Sigiriya%2C_Sri_Lanka_-_panoramio_%28130%29.jpg/770px-Sigiriya%2C_Sri_Lanka_-_panoramio_%28130%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Sigiriya%2C_Sri_Lanka_-_panoramio_%28136%29.jpg/768px-Sigiriya%2C_Sri_Lanka_-_panoramio_%28136%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Stone_stairs_at_Sigiriya%2C_Sri_Lanka.jpg/768px-Stone_stairs_at_Sigiriya%2C_Sri_Lanka.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Approach_to_the_Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_-_Chengdu%2C_Sichuan%2C_China_-_DSC04844.jpg/1280px-Approach_to_the_Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_-_Chengdu%2C_Sichuan%2C_China_-_DSC04844.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/DuFuHouse.jpg/1280px-DuFuHouse.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Caotang_Catering_Yulequan%2C_Chengdu%2C_Sichuan%2C_China%2C_610072_-_panoramio.jpg/1280px-Caotang_Catering_Yulequan%2C_Chengdu%2C_Sichuan%2C_China%2C_610072_-_panoramio.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_-_Chengdu_20161121.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_-_Chengdu_20161121.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Caotang_Catering_Yulequan%2C_Chengdu%2C_Sichuan%2C_China%2C_610072_-_panoramio_-_jetsun.jpg/1280px-Caotang_Catering_Yulequan%2C_Chengdu%2C_Sichuan%2C_China%2C_610072_-_panoramio_-_jetsun.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_-_panoramio_%281%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_-_panoramio_%281%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_-_panoramio_%282%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_-_panoramio_%282%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/%E6%9D%9C%E7%94%AB%E8%8D%89%E5%A0%82_2.jpg/1280px-%E6%9D%9C%E7%94%AB%E8%8D%89%E5%A0%82_2.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_-_panoramio_%284%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_-_panoramio_%284%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_128_%2814428652081%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_128_%2814428652081%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Gardens_-_Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_-_Chengdu%2C_Sichuan%2C_China_-_DSC04980.jpg/1280px-Gardens_-_Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_-_Chengdu%2C_Sichuan%2C_China_-_DSC04980.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_141_%2814430894154%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_141_%2814430894154%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_143_%2814245419840%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_143_%2814245419840%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_144_%2814245421150%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_144_%2814245421150%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_146_%2814430899224%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_146_%2814430899224%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_148_%2814408903816%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_148_%2814408903816%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_150_%2814452213593%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_150_%2814452213593%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_152_%2814245431450%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_152_%2814245431450%29.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_157_%2814430727692%29.jpg/1280px-Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottage_Museum_157_%2814430727692%29.jpg
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 30, 2023, 7:50 pm
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OLD CONTENT contd.
Supplementing the above post, it is worth pointing out that the
(anti-Western) Romantic movement was inspired by non-Western
landscaping:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_landscape_garden#The_Anglo-Chinese
_garden
[quote]The Far East inspired the origins of the English Garden
via Holland. In 1685, the English diplomat in The Hague and
writer Sir William Temple wrote an essay Upon the garden of
Epicurus (published in 1690), which contrasted European theories
of symmetrical gardens with asymmetrical compositions from
China, for which he introduced the Japanese term
sharawadgi.[19][20][21] Temple had never visited the Far East,
but he was in contact with the Dutch and their discourse on
irregularity in design, had spoken to a merchant who had been in
the Far East for a long time, and read the works of European
travellers there. He noted that Chinese gardens avoided formal
rows of trees and flower beds, and instead placed trees, plants,
and other garden features in irregular ways to strike the eye
and create beautiful compositions, with an understatement
criticizing the formal compositions of the gardens at the Palace
of Versailles of Louis XIV of France.[22][/quote]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_landscape_garden#The_Chinese_influe
nce_on_the_French_landscape_garden
[quote]In 1743, Father Attiret, a French Jesuit priest and
painter in service to the Emperor of China, wrote a series of
letters describing the Chinese gardens he had seen. In
particular he described the Emperor's summer residence, Yuanming
Yuan near Beijing:
A beautiful disorder reigns almost everywhere. An anti-symmetry.
Everything works on this principle: it is a pastoral and natural
countryside that one wants to represent: a solitude and not a
well-ordered palace following all the rules of symmetry and
proportions.[7][/quote]
When this non-Western idea was applied to landscaping in
Britain/France/etc., immediate improvement resulted
(notwithstanding the continued use of lawns.....):
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Stowe_Rotunda.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Stourhead_Pantheon.jpg/1280px-Stourhead_Pantheon.jpg
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Munich%2C_2013_%2810383018573%29.jpg/1280px-Munich%2C_2013_%2810383018573%29.jpg
[img]
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Note in particular the use of irregular blocks in the last
picture. This could be viewed as the beginning of a return to a
pre-Western style (Aristotle himself agrees with me on this):
(HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Encyclopedia_of_antiquities_-_and_elements_of_archaeology%2C_classical_and_medi%C3%A6val_%281843%29_%2814576664438%29.jpg/1024px-Encyclopedia_of_antiquities_-_and_elements_of_archaeology%2C_classical_and_medi%C3%A6val_%281843%29_%2814576664438%29.jpg
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclopean_masonry
[quote]The term comes from the belief of classical Greeks that
only the mythical Cyclopes had the strength to move the enormous
boulders that made up the walls of Mycenae and Tiryns. Pliny's
Natural History reported the tradition attributed to Aristotle,
that the Cyclopes were the inventors of masonry towers, giving
rise to the designation "Cyclopean".[3][/quote]
By the way:
(HTM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclopes#Kinds
[quote]According to a version of the story in the Iliad scholia
(found nowhere else), when Zeus swallowed Metis, she was
pregnant with Athena by the Cyclops Brontes.[29][/quote]
Related:
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/aryan-fortifications/
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 31, 2023, 8:42 pm
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OLD CONTENT contd.
Responding to our enemies:
vdare.com/articles/patrick-j-buchanan-must-the-west-beg-the-worl
d-for-forgiveness
[quote]Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has written Pope Francis I
and King Felipe VI to demand their apologies for the Spanish
conquest of Mexico that began 500 years ago with the "invasion"
of Hernando Cortez.
...
Now no one denies that great sins and crimes were committed in
that conquest. But are not the Mexican people, 130 million of
them, far better off because the Spanish came and overthrew the
Aztec Empire?[/quote]
Let's see:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1809705.stm
[quote]Some 500 years ago when the conquistadores fist laid
their eyes on what was then the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan,
they saw an island city connected to the mainland by a series of
causeways, a majestic site of floating islands for cultivating
crops.
Chroniclers at the time called it an "enchanted vision".
Not so now. The lake has disappeared and in its place lies a
sprawling conurbation of 25 million people.
From the mountain vantage point, the city is shrouded in what
looks like low-lying cloud. Skyscrapers poke out above the dense
and deadly smog caused by cold air sinking down into the city
trapping pollution beneath it.
"Your eyes smart, your throat stings, you're breathless after
just a few steps,"
...
One-year-old Elva is sitting on her mother's lap with her eyes
streaming. Doctors are trying to fit a oxygen mask over tiny
face. Elva is one of the hundreds of thousands of children who
suffer from chronic asthma across the city.[/quote]
(Further information:
blog.nus.edu.sg/kylie/2015/03/23/smog-in-our-brains-effects-of-m
exicos-air-pollution/
)
Does it look like they are "far better off", you fucktard?
[quote]Did not 300 years of Spanish rule and replacement of
Mexico's pagan cults with the Catholic faith lead to enormous
advances for its civilization[/quote]
Before the conquistadors:
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(HTM) https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/stunning-view-teotihuacan-pyramids-avenue-dead-mexico-view-avenue-dead-pyramid-sun-142123563.jpg
After the conquistadors:
(HTM) https://cdn.getyourguide.com/img/tour/621df0d702c02.jpeg/145.jpg
[img width=1280
height=870]
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You tell me!
[quote]Which leads to another question: Are all civilizations
and cultures equal, or are some more equal than others? Are some
superior?[/quote]
They are not equal. Western civilization is uniquely inferior by
such a vast margin that to even need to ask the question is an
insult to my intelligence.
[quote]Have the Western peoples who conquered and changed much
of the world been, on balance, a blessing to mankind or a
curse[/quote]
A curse, not only to mankind but to all sentient beings.
[quote]Is the history of the West, though replete with the
failings of all civilizations, not unique in the greatness of
what it produced?[/quote]
Unique indeed in the scale of its violence, and in its hubris.
[quote]Or are the West's crimes of imperialism, colonialism,
genocide, racism, slavery and maltreatment of minorities of
color so sweeping, hateful and shameful they cancel out the good
done[/quote]
What good done?!
[quote]Is the white race, as Susan Sontag wrote, "the cancer of
human history"?[/quote]
Worse than cancer (which, by the way, is also largely a product
of Western civilization). At least Mexicans don't need to be
taught not to deliberately get cancer the way they need to be
taught not to deliberately get "whiteness":
(HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/reproductive-decolonization/msg2343/#msg2343
Continuing:
[quote]must-the-west-beg-the-world-for-forgiveness[/quote]
Even your literal Altar of Forgiveness looks like this FFS:
(HTM) https://www.hisour.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Altar-of-Forgiveness-Mexico-City-Metropolitan-Cathedral-1280x720.jpg
So no, we do not want you to beg for forgiveness. We just want
you to die ASAP.
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