(DIR) Return Create A Forum - Home --------------------------------------------------------- True Left (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com --------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************************** (DIR) Return to: Ancient World ***************************************************** #Post#: 8206-------------------------------------------------- Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization By: guest55 Date: August 21, 2021, 5:26 pm --------------------------------------------------------- Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization [quote]Source/Further reading: The Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World: from Marathon to Waterloo by Sir Edward Creasy Herodotus’ Historial The Defence of Greece 490–479 BC by JF Lazenby Persian Fire: the First World Empire and the Battle for the West by Tom Holland[/quote] (HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXAvMQEWiuQ Greeks practiced "direct democracy" as compared to "representative democracy" practiced in the West to this day. #Post#: 8783-------------------------------------------------- Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization By: christianbethel Date: September 14, 2021, 11:43 am --------------------------------------------------------- I assume this is why Hitler invaded Greece? #Post#: 8786-------------------------------------------------- Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization By: guest55 Date: September 14, 2021, 6:20 pm --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=christianbethel link=topic=912.msg8783#msg8783 date=1631637780] I assume this is why Hitler invaded Greece?[/quote] More so because of these types of attitudes among the Greeks I would say: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/hungary-v4/?message=8213 #Post#: 10065-------------------------------------------------- Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 10, 2021, 10:13 pm --------------------------------------------------------- Our enemies discussing this period: (HTM) https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/12/07/guillaume-durochers-the-ancient-ethnostate-biopolitical-thought-in-ancient-greece/ [quote]Ancient Greece was an Indo-European culture, and thus prized military virtues, heroism, and the quest for honor, fame, and glory. Homer “tells of a terrible war for sexual competition, for the heart of beautiful Helen, and its inevitable tragedies. But the maudlin self-pity and effeminacy of our time are unknown to Homer: if tragedy is inevitable in the human experience, the poet’s role is to give meaning and beauty to the ordeal, and to inspire men to struggle for a glorious destiny.” “Their way of life is one of ‘vital barbarism,’ having the values of ruthless conquerors, prizing loot, honor, and glory above all.” Achilles “prefers a brief but glorious life to one of lengthy obscurity.”[/quote] See also: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-diffusion/ Continuing: [quote]As Ricardo Duchesne notes, the Indo-European legacy is key to understanding the restless, aggressive, questing, innovative, “Faustian” soul of Europe. Indo-Europeans were a “uniquely [s]aristocratic[/s] people dominated by emerging chieftains for whom fighting to gain prestige was the all-pervading ethos. This culture [is] interpreted as ‘the Western state of nature’ and as the primordial source of Western restlessness.”[3][/quote] See also: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/ Note in particular that our enemies are, as I have previously warned, increasingly eschewing Gentilism in favour of Turanism: [quote]the values of an egalitarian individualist ethic that originated among the northwestern European hunter-gatherers—an ethic that is in many ways the diametrical opposite of the Indo-European [s]aristocratic[/s] tradition.[4] This new ethic began its rise to predominance with the English Civil War of the seventeenth century and remains most prominent in northwest Europe, particularly Scandinavian cultures.[/quote] They are going as far as to claim that Gentilism (geographically associated with the relatively less Turanized regions) leads to False Leftism, whereas it is Turanism which alone satisfies rightist needs. I actually find this somewhat persuasive. I might have been mistaken all along in assuming that Gentile blood is heritably racist. Gentile blood is certainly heritably humanist (and hence fundamentally still tribalist) in order to allow Gentiles to hunt non-human prey, but it could be that it is not particularly inclined to ethnotribalism among humans (though of course individual Gentiles could still adopt this attitude later), and hence the heritable ethnotribalism that occurs in reality is ultimately accountable to Turanian blood. If so, then the hostility of Gentiles towards Aryans as documented here: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/gentilism/ might have been ideological (e.g. Aryans were opposed to hunting?) rather than Aryans being viewed by Gentiles as the outgroup just because of different ancestry. Absence of ethnotribalism in Gentile blood would also make it even easier to explain Eurocentrism among "non-white" Gentiles: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg6301/#msg6301 Indeed, this would even neatly account for why "Enlightenment" values (if indeed, as our enemies theorize, they are a product of Gentile blood) are popular among "non-white" Eurocentrists: they are Gentiles following the heritable ideology (humanism) of those other Gentiles (Giants) whom they already worship. What do you guys think? [quote]There is thus a major contrast between the Greeks and a slave-type society such as the Persian Empire—a contrast the Greeks were well aware of. Aristotle wrote “these barbarian peoples are more servile in character than Greeks (as the peoples of Asia are more servile than those of Europe); and they therefore tolerate despotic rule without any complaint” (Politics, 1285a16).[/quote] For example, we do not complain about mask/social distancing/lockdown mandates. It is not that we "tolerate" despotic rule; it is that we trust it. See also: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/trump-a-fascist/msg9864/#msg9864 This is not "servility". Servility is endorsing Israel as a Jewish ethnostate in order to get your own ethnostate. Continuing: [quote]Sparta was even more egalitarian among the Spartiates, giving the citizens a stake in the system, but with an ethic that rejected effeminacy and weakness and in which individuals strived to achieve excellence in military skills. Also likely promoting social cohesion was that the Helot slave class was an outgroup that Spartans understood needed to be rigorously controlled, setting up a very robust ingroup-outgroup psychology that promoted social cohesion and high positive regard for the ingroup along with disparagement and even abuse of the outgroup. Spartan social cohesion is legendary and likely contributed to the intense solidarity needed to defeat the far more numerous Persian Empire:[/quote] See also: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/old-content/ [quote]In their victory, the Greeks were able to pass down an enormous political, cultural, and scientific heritage to generations ever since. No wonder John Stuart Mill could claim: “The Battle of Marathon, even as an event in British history, is more important than the Battle of Hastings.”[/quote] Yes. If the Persians had won back then, perhaps we could have been spared all of this: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/ (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/ (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/ (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/ Continuing: [quote]Indeed, we are seeing increasing hatred toward the people and culture of the West that is now well entrenched among Western elites and eagerly accepted by many of the non-Western peoples who have been imported into Western nations, many with historical grudges against the West.[/quote] Gee, I wonder why? (Hint: re-read the parts in bold.) #Post#: 10072-------------------------------------------------- Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization By: rp Date: December 11, 2021, 11:01 am --------------------------------------------------------- So if Gentiles are motivated by humanism and not ethnitotribalism, then is not Eurocentrism itself simply viewing "non-whites" as inferior because they are "non-human", and not because they belong to another tribe? #Post#: 10080-------------------------------------------------- Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 11, 2021, 10:47 pm --------------------------------------------------------- I see what you are saying, but a consistent humanist society which sincerely viewed "non-whites" as "non-human" would use "non-whites" as food. This has not been the case in reality. #Post#: 10094-------------------------------------------------- Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization By: guest55 Date: December 13, 2021, 12:26 am --------------------------------------------------------- [quote]I see what you are saying, but a consistent humanist society which sincerely viewed "non-whites" as "non-human" would use "non-whites" as food. This has not been the case in reality.[/quote] Perhaps similar to how Jews are "white" or non-"white" depending on the situation? Gentiles perhaps are willing to treat non-humans as humans on occasion when it suits gentiles to do so? #Post#: 10178-------------------------------------------------- Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization By: Dazhbog Date: December 18, 2021, 6:13 am --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=912.msg10065#msg10065 date=1639196019]They are going as far as to claim that Gentilism (geographically associated with the relatively less Turanized regions) leads to False Leftism, whereas it is Turanism which alone satisfies rightist needs. I actually find this somewhat persuasive. I might have been mistaken all along in assuming that Gentile blood is heritably racist. Gentile blood is certainly heritably humanist (and hence fundamentally still tribalist) in order to allow Gentiles to hunt non-human prey, but it could be that it is not particularly inclined to ethnotribalism among humans (though of course individual Gentiles could still adopt this attitude later), and hence the heritable ethnotribalism that occurs in reality is ultimately accountable to Turanian blood. If so, then the hostility of Gentiles towards Aryans as documented here: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/gentilism/ might have been ideological (e.g. Aryans were opposed to hunting?) rather than Aryans being viewed by Gentiles as the outgroup just because of different ancestry. Absence of ethnotribalism in Gentile blood would also make it even easier to explain Eurocentrism among "non-white" Gentiles: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg6301/#msg6301 Indeed, this would even neatly account for why "Enlightenment" values (if indeed, as our enemies theorize, they are a product of Gentile blood) are popular among "non-white" Eurocentrists: they are Gentiles following the heritable ideology (humanism) of those other Gentiles (Giants) whom they already worship. What do you guys think?[/quote] I agree with you. It is potentially advantageous for Gentiles to cooperate across tribal lines in order to hunt larger prey. [quote author=Mazda link=topic=912.msg10094#msg10094 date=1639376802]Gentiles perhaps are willing to treat non-humans as humans on occasion when it suits gentiles to do so?[/quote] I actually think this is a Turanian trait. Shepherds for example often depend on their dogs to tend to their flock, so it is advantageous for them to treat their dogs better than other non-humans. #Post#: 10211-------------------------------------------------- Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization By: Polinc_Socjus Date: December 21, 2021, 12:03 am --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=912.msg10080#msg10080 date=1639284460] I see what you are saying, but a consistent humanist society which sincerely viewed "non-whites" as "non-human" would use "non-whites" as food. This has not been the case in reality. [/quote] Not for long: (HTM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5EKuIus-oE #Post#: 12206-------------------------------------------------- Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization By: rp Date: March 22, 2022, 6:23 am --------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=912.msg10065#msg10065 date=1639196019] Our enemies discussing this period: (HTM) https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/12/07/guillaume-durochers-the-ancient-ethnostate-biopolitical-thought-in-ancient-greece/ They are going as far as to claim that Gentilism (geographically associated with the relatively less Turanized regions) leads to False Leftism, whereas it is Turanism which alone satisfies rightist needs. I actually find this somewhat persuasive. I might have been mistaken all along in assuming that Gentile blood is heritably racist. Gentile blood is certainly heritably humanist (and hence fundamentally still tribalist) in order to allow Gentiles to hunt non-human prey, but it could be that it is not particularly inclined to ethnotribalism among humans (though of course individual Gentiles could still adopt this attitude later), and hence the heritable ethnotribalism that occurs in reality is ultimately accountable to Turanian blood. If so, then the hostility of Gentiles towards Aryans as documented here: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/gentilism/ might have been ideological (e.g. Aryans were opposed to hunting?) rather than Aryans being viewed by Gentiles as the outgroup just because of different ancestry. Absence of ethnotribalism in Gentile blood would also make it even easier to explain Eurocentrism among "non-white" Gentiles: (HTM) https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg6301/#msg6301 Indeed, this would even neatly account for why "Enlightenment" values (if indeed, as our enemies theorize, they are a product of Gentile blood) are popular among "non-white" Eurocentrists: they are Gentiles following the heritable ideology (humanism) of those other Gentiles (Giants) whom they already worship. What do you guys think? [/quote] I just realized I forgot to reply to this post. I must say I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. In conjunction with my observations of Gentile phenotypes correlating with Eurocentrism among "non-Whites", this makes all the more sense. This could mean that we have perhaps conclusively identified the genetic component behind False Leftism. To support your theory, here is one of the most prominent False Leftists of our time: (HTM) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Elon_Musk_Royal_Society_%28crop2%29.jpg I can't figure out which I hate more, Turanians or Gentiles. Perhaps due to my Aryan blood memory I have a more charitable view of Turanians as being the "lesser evil", given our alliances against Gentiles in the past. (HTM) http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/against-all-odds/comment-page-2/#comment-169986 [quote] I agree that Turanians are not respectable people, but it is a recurring mythical theme that early Aryan and Turanian leaders have been occasional (albeit uneasy) allies against Gentile leaders, therefore Aryan blood memory recalls Turanians differently than it recalls Gentiles.[/quote] Or perhaps it is my absolute disgust of humanism/the Gentile skull shape (see above. Also note the ****-eating grin that is characteristic of humanists who do not care for their victims) that drives this. On a different note, I consider humanism/progressive Yahwism much more frightening and dangerous to destroy than Turanism, the latter being less technologically advanced. What do you think? ***************************************************** (DIR) Next Page