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Setup Workshop Series - Part 1 - Advance TAB
By: Tech G Date: August 19, 2017, 1:44 pm
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So one of the things a lot of sim racers enjoy but also find
very frustrating is setups. There are a few guides on line to
what each item in the setup page is supposed to do, however,
with each mod and each car these seem to vary at least enough to
confuse.
There is also a general reluctance to share setups, as the fast
guys want to maintain their advantage and get the benefits of
the time they put in to them So I thought I would share with
you my basic setup process, with the hope the aliens here chime
in, so we can have a basic guide for the URD mod and improve
everyone's setup abilities.
Advanced TAB
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For quali you generally are not concerned with tire wear so you
want the most grip possible. Pick the softest tire and lower
all tire pressures.
Camber: I try to balance the tires so the temperature across the
tire is as equal as possible. Obviously they change while
cornering, but should be stable otherwise. If the inside of a
tire is hotter than the outside, reduce the negative camber, and
visa versa. It's ok to have the inside a few degree higher than
the outside.
Now I am not sure if for quali you want more negative camber and
so forget about the balancing, as this might give more grip
into, through and out of corners. Maybe someone can comment on
this.
Brakes: Always try to set the brake bias as far to the rear as
possible while not locking up or creating to much instability
under braking. This will reduce your stopping distances as well
as aid trail braking to the apex. As the tires warm up you may
find you can move the balance further and further back. Also,
as tires wear the balance may need adjusting forward, so map a
couple of buttons for this.
Blanking: Well its seems the more blanking you have the cooler
your brakes ::). Anyway, again for quali you could maybe save
a bit of time by having less blanking, but not sure how much
difference this makes and your brakes may then overheat.
Pedal force: Max possible without locking up. As ABS is ok on
these cars, generally you want this set to max.
Traction Control: I think its faster without and TC. However,
the kerbs and other features on some tracks may mean its safer
to have it on.
I drive the Aston. Anytime anyone wants my setup please just
ask.
Chris
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Re: Setup Workshop Series - Part 1 - Advance TAB
By: Chad Brown Date: August 19, 2017, 3:33 pm
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Thanks for sharing these setup tips Tech. Stickied.
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Re: Setup Workshop Series - Part 1 - Advance TAB
By: Scott Arrington Date: August 19, 2017, 5:41 pm
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I tell u a few things I run on my setups and thats S7 tires for
the race not S6.Also this mod is the first Mod I have ever seen
that allows you to go negative with the DF settings which to me
would be much better if you couldn"t do that as the cars would
handle so much better with a 2/10 DF setting.I also run a
symetrical setup,I think your overthinking things alittle too
much,because with S7 tires you only have to do about 15 laps or
so before you change tires and S7"s last just fine.
Also,I have given out setups plenty of times but this season I
have 2 teamates and don"t think it"s fair to possibly help other
people finish ahead of my teamates.When I started running the
EGT mod last season,I missed the first half of the season and
had some catching up to do as far as learning the car and this
rediculous DF setting,and never once asked Mikee while he was
dominating to help me out.Part of racing is learning to setup
your car,after all this is a competition,thats why I do
this.Most of us have that competitiveness in us and strive to do
the best we can each week,whether its 1st place or 10th
place.Setup is huge no doubt,but consitantcy is just as
important and most guys could improve in that area,myself
included.
As far as qualifying setup goes,drop the fuel,put S6 tires and
hang on,thats about it.
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Re: Setup Workshop Series - Part 1 - Advance TAB
By: Chad Brown Date: August 20, 2017, 2:17 am
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About setups.
I understand peoples reluctance to share their setups. However,
I also believe that we are all here to learn and get better at
this hobby. Lets face it, if you are here running rF2 you are
already ahead of the curve in regard to racing simulations. You
likely already have moved on from the Forzas and Gran Turismos
of the sim community. The only way from here is learning proper
racing techniques. That includes setups.
I think Tech is on to something with the short and sweet
versions of what each setup option does. While each could be
fleshed out more, it helps immensely. Again I wold like to thank
Tech G for his informative posts and the time it took to make
these post for the general membership.
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Re: Setup Workshop Series - Part 1 - Advance TAB
By: Tig_green Date: August 20, 2017, 5:17 am
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Setup tips are good to have as setting up your car is very time
consuming. Things like negative df and ways to overcome the
difficulties it causes are good to be shared. That said, in
general, my opinion is that if we keep setup open then everyone
should find their own setup. I agree with Scott that it's
competitive sport and no one shouldn't feel offended if fastest
guys don't want to share their setup. In situations where you
are very far off the pace because of your poor setup then I'm
pro helping a friend out. Seeing alien setups once in awhile
helps getting ideas but it's not a big help for the future if
you don't understand the basic principles of setting up each
car. There are a lot of good setup guides out there but where we
can help out each other is telling some oddidies that the sim
might have when setting up a sim car to perfection. Also
remember that a perfect setup for one driver might be far off
from perfect to another driver.
Thanks for sharing your tips TechG.
-Matt
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Re: Setup Workshop Series - Part 1 - Advance TAB
By: red bullet Date: August 20, 2017, 2:22 pm
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Since moving to rF2 I've had a share of trying stuff out
regarding setups. I'm still searching to understand everything
and every (well most) tip helps. E.g. Tech indicating that a too
high coast setting induces understeer, might clear up an issue
I'm having lately. In the past I used a lower setting than now.
I did it to solve an issue I had on the Le Mans track and
continued using it elsewhere. Apparently not a good idea. When I
get back home, I'll test with a lower setting.
The best setup guide I've got, I found on RaceDepartment. It was
for free but the author has removed it to make people pay a
small compensation for his work (because his wife/gf was a bit
upset with giving it away for free etc.). But I haven't found
it in a pay-model again.
If it hadn't been for this situation I would have uploaded it
here. It is really complete with an entire explanation of the
car physics and a small table indicating what to adjust in case
of under/oversteer in entry/mid/exit. I've learned tons from
this guide.
But I have found a similar summary recently:
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In
some aspects this decision tree is even better since it
indicates what to adjust first, second... I haven't tried this
one out.
I don't mind if the really fast drivers don't want to share a
setup in advance, but sharing a setup might also be helpful in
hindsight, after the race. This way you can learn yourself where
you went wrong and learn for the next race. This way the fast
drivers don't directly compromise their result but the slower
drivers get a way to improve on their own.
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Re: Setup Workshop Series - Part 1 - Advance TAB
By: Tech G Date: August 20, 2017, 3:32 pm
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Thanks for the positive responses guys. I wasn't meaning to
call out the aliens for not sharing actual setups. I was more
hoping they could provide some tips and rules of thumb for some
of the setup changes they may make. For example, one of the
quick guys (Top 10) in the WFG competition said for the McLaren
leaving the cambers on a higher negative setting can help a lot
for quali laps, but its best to balance tires for the race.
The reason I don't mind sharing tips and setuo, is my
competitive side wants to beat people at their best. I used to
play a lot of golf to a fairly decent level and would always
want my opponents to play well, so we could have a good close
fight.
With our race format maybe balancing tires is not so important,
but I also do some endurance stuff with full tank stints on the
same set of tires, so balancing and looking after tires is very
important.
#Post#: 4247--------------------------------------------------
Re: Setup Workshop Series - Part 1 - Advance TAB
By: red bullet Date: September 1, 2017, 2:00 am
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I've a a question on brake balance.
I was to put the balance extremely to the front: 60-58 front.
The setup Rick made me for Mills Metro had a (maybe standard)
52-48 distribution. Since I was used to that, I made the
compromise for 56-44. And without any issues.
After settling in at Imola I tried to change it towards, 54-46,
53-47 or 52-48, but it's unstable as hell. I can manage 54-46
but not during a race. I haven't tried it on other tracks.
So I wondered whether brake balance can be track-specific or not
or maybe personal?? Imola is quite weird on braking, with zones
on crests, in downhill... So it might be that you need a more
forward brake balance there. But I'm not sure.
#Post#: 4248--------------------------------------------------
Re: Setup Workshop Series - Part 1 - Advance TAB
By: Tig_green Date: September 1, 2017, 2:40 am
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I'm struggling with brake balance in Imola too. Rear balance in
Imola is difficult because you can't do some of the hard braking
on a straight line. Generally rear braking balance is more
unstable but stops you faster. On twisty tracks with not so many
hard braking points I tend to move braking balance towards front
(maybe 56 or 57) because it stabilizes car a lot a. Front
balance locks fronts easily which isn't good for tyre wear. But
i find braking distances with front balance more predictable,
being consistent with rear balance is challenging, locking up
rears is worse than locking fronts.
-Matt
#Post#: 4249--------------------------------------------------
Re: Setup Workshop Series - Part 1 - Advance TAB
By: red bullet Date: September 1, 2017, 3:20 am
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An unstable rear can get you nasty. It happens so instantaneous
that it's hard to counter. A locking front can be managed
through a corner, but when the rear snaps, in general you're
immediately facing the wrong way. :D
I think I'll keep the 56, or maybe 55, for Imola and try a more
rearward balance on other tracks.
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