Subj : Re: New purchase
To   : Weatherman
From : Moondog
Date : Sun Jul 02 2023 02:33 pm

  Re: Re: New purchase
  By: Weatherman to Moondog on Sun Jul 02 2023 01:31 am

 > -=> Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-
 > 
 >  Mo>   Re: Re: New purchase
 >  Mo>   By: Weatherman to Moondog on Sat Jul 01 2023 01:42 am
 > 
 >  > -=> Moondog wrote to Tracker1 <=-
 >  >
 > 
 >  Mo> The FFL holder is required by the ATF to inform them if a buy
 >  Mo> er purchases multiple firearms within a week or two .  The ATF will
 >  Mo> take the address infromation then investigate whether the buyer is
 >  Mo> performing straw purchase.
 > 
 >  I repeat.  I have never... EVER been contacted by BATF for any reason
 > whatsoever, and I have purchased in excess of two fireams within a week (hel
 > on the same DAY - and yes, from the same FFL) on multiple occassions.
 > 
 >  Mo> The agents will come to the buyer's house and want to see that they
 >  Mo> have the firearms in their possession (haven't sold or given them to
 >  Mo> anybody.)  I have spoken to people that have been contacted by the ATF
 >  Mo> (by mail) to inform them the FFL sent them the purchase information,
 >  Mo> but haven't met anyone who has been visited by them.
 > 
 >  Any BATF agent that shows up unannounced on my doorstep had better have a
 > warrant.  No warrant, no entry, it's as simple as that.  It's called the Fou
 > Amendment to the US Constitution.
 > 
 >  Mo> Not sure if luck plays into it.  It may be more dependent on how busy
 >  Mo> the loca l ATF agent is, or the firearms in question whether they fit a
 >  Mo> profile.
 > 
 > Doubt if luck has anything to do with it.  Multiple purchases in a specified
 > period of time does NOT constitute reasonable cause to assume straw purchase
 > Without reasonable cause, the BATF will be unable to obtain a search warrant
 > Without a search warrant, the BATF has no enforceable right to search, seizu
 > or interview.
 > 
 > 
 > ... The best way to accelerate a Mac is at 9.8m/s^2

I have only heard of this a couple of months ago, when  someone posted a
video on youtube showing two atf agents and a state trooper showing up at his
house.  He didn't let them in and kept an eye on them (state trooper's behavio
r was sketchy.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFE9Yl2X57A&t=218s


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