Subj : Thoughts and Musings To : ALEXANDER KORYAGIN From : BOB KLAHN Date : Fri Nov 14 2014 04:08 pm BK>>>> So, my musing analysis leads to this question, when you reach the BK>>>> point where you can't actually tell if a computer's response is BK>>>> just a program line, or actual intelligence, can that be BK>>>> considered the dividing line between programming and artificial BK>>>> intelligence? AK> Suppose you have two logical tasks. They can be done both AK> by a human or a robot. The dividing line that exists AK> between a human and robot lies not in the logic. A live AK> being can feel happiness, emotions, love -- in short things AK> that cannot be programmed or defined as an algorithm. I don't know whether or not they could someday be programmed, however, I do see where an artificial intelligence could be a sociopath. AK> So, there is no difference between programming and AK> artificial intelligence. And we can also say that human AK> feelings have nothing to do with intelligence, and human That is a possible part of the definition. AK> feelings never will be programmed in robots. Because the If you programmed the responses to mimic human feelings to the point where no one could tell the difference, would there be a difference? AK> core of the matter is a human consciousness, that is an AK> incorporial thing. More of that, nobody understand it, not AK> speaking about reproduction. That is why I am musing on the questions. We do not know much about it, thus how do we judge it? AK>>> A strange question. How do you suppose to create artificial AK>>> intelligence without programming? So, according to atheists BK>> Well, they would. The question is, when is the programming good BK>> enough to be intelligence? AK> Making robots is easy. They can do (repeat) any intelligent AK> tasks. But nobody knows how to create consciousness and AK> awareness of self. Or to understand what is inspiration.... Not yet. Does intelligence require awareness of self? All that I don't believe anyone knows, but a lot of self anointed philosophers will proclaim thier truths as if they were truths. BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn .... Cthulhu is a pawn of Barney! * Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg] --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5 * Origin: Check Out Doc's QWK Mail Via Web BBS > DocsPlace.org (1:123/140) .