Subj : Re: Proxmox 8 is out... To : tassiebob From : Tracker1 Date : Sun Jul 09 2023 05:24 pm ni>> Do you, because it seems if you run a 5 year forecast seems quite ni>> more expensive then keeping it local if datacenters are available, ni>> which in our case they are. ta> I believe you're right, but I've yet to work at a company where they've ta> actually done a proper analysis of the costs. Seems they just look at the ta> headline bullet points and don't dig much deeper. Once the first few ta> things are in the cloud it becomes easier to just drop all the new things ta> there too. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the cloud sounded great for ta> elastic capacity so you can scale up/down as your peak load increases. I ta> don't think it's a great solution for the "base load". It depends... At a very startup level, you may have a few guys that can code, but no budget for dedicated IT to do the low level management of servers, let alone the skills to setup the stack(s). If your service spend is under even $3k/month that will be less than a single full time administrator, and that doesn't include the server/data/hosting costs you'd incure anyway. Just past that stage it *could* be less expensive, assuming you have some dedicated IT admin resources and needs for more localized servers. It also gets less expensive to self host, or manage your own servers at a much larger scale... the in between you can take advantage of more flexible loads. Depends on the applications, instances, usage and needs. It can be easier to have one domain administrator running Azure Domain with Office/Microsoft 365 for a few hundred accounts than to run/license Windows Domain servers, exchange and other services locally. Not to mention integration for Teams/Slack, Telecom etc. Not to mention, turn around for physical servers can take a while... if you don't have sufficient redundancy (more cost, etc), where as cloud has the redundancy/failover already allocated and distributed for more than just a single company. ta> It's increasingly common in networking too - let's just buy a virtual ta> network from someone else than build your own - be that a multi-site ta> office VPN, or a full on white-label service provider solution. That part I'm a bit less inclined to understand... the added cost to a lot of those solutions just kind of feels incredibly excessive. I'm irked that it's becoming all but impossible to find dedicated AP hardware that isn't "cloud controlled". Engenius has options and you can self-host the control for Ubiquiti and others, but the trend is definitely there. And that's just APs, let alone routers and managed switch hardware, connecting to cloud "networks" and remote offices. I don't really do any of this for work, but my home setup is slightly more advanced than many. On the flip side, would love to see some of these router appliances that can run opnsense gain just two sata ports and 3.5" drive bays... With an N305 and 64gb ram, you can run proxmox, opnsense and trunas on them for a great, single box for SOHO setups. I'll keep mine separate, but have a few friends than need more than consumer grade, but don't want to run sevveral separate (router, server, nas, etc) devices. -- Michael J. Ryan +o roughneckbbs.com tracker1@roughneckbbs.com --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux * Origin: Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com (21:3/149) .