Subj : Re: EVs
To   : Spectre
From : Gamgee
Date : Wed Oct 18 2023 12:29 pm

-=> Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-

 Ga> Fairly true, but in the long run is probably cheaper.

 Sp> Apparently not... at least for some ~50 years of operation.. the
 Sp> up front costs outweigh any saving in actual power generation for
 Sp> a large proportion of your traditional reactors operational life.
 Sp>  Sabine Hossenfelder popped out an interesting video on it
 Sp> recently.

 Sp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kahih8RT1k

TL;DR ... That's more of just a question of "green-ness", anyway.

 Sp> One of the other things that popped up was if we turn heavily to
 Sp> fission based generation we only have sufficient fuel for a very
 Sp> limited time.. 10-20 years worth of uranium.

Got to disagree with that completely.  These sources would agree with 
me:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nuclear/comments/o79stp/how_long_will_the_uranium_resources_last/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-long-will-global-uranium-deposits-last/
https://encoreuranium.com/uranium/the-future-of-nuclear-energy/

Those estimates run from 80 - 200 years, and maybe MUCH longer (breeder 
reactors).  In my opinion, that is long enough for us to get things 
figured out and use another source, such as thorium; or hopefully, 
fusion.

 Ga> Probably true, and the solution to that is simply..... education.  I would
 Ga> think the eco-fanatics would be leading the way on that, but somehow ....
 Ga> even they lack education.

 Sp> Not sure education is sufficient to overcome greenwashing of
 Sp> nuclear anything being "Baaahhhhhd".  Unfortunately education is
 Sp> probably still going to scare some proportion of the population
 Sp> off the idea as well.  Greenies, especially modern ones seem to
 Sp> be less interested in science and education, compared to blindly
 Sp> following some crackpot, or crackpot ideas. Its obtained
 Sp> something of a religious fervor.

Unfortunately, very true.

I still stand firmly in the camp of nuclear as the solution.



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