Subj : Hamas & Israel
To   : Alex Shuman
From : alexander koryagin
Date : Tue Mar 26 2024 03:28 pm

Hi, Alex Shuman!
I read your message from 26.03.2024 01:54

  AS>>> No, it was revolution, after he ran away from his people.
  ak>> "Revolution" is another word for "coup" or mutiny.
  AS> It depends... This one was certainly people's will and not a
  AS> military coup.

It was the people's will... of the half of Ukraine. Or even less, taking 
into account how many people elected Yanukovich. That's why another part 
of Ukraine has not accepted this "will".

  ak>> BTW, the attempt of capture the Capitol, after Trump losing the
  ak>> elections, is very similar event and is considered in the USA as a
  ak>> heavy crime.

  AS> It because they were minority (most of people did not support their
  AS> ways) and attacked government buildings instead of peaceful
  AS> protest.

Minority! Trump is also supported by almost a half of Americans. And 
most active of these people had come to the Capitol. If they had managed 
to depose Biden and the Republican majority in Congress approved it -- 
it would have been the same situation as in Ukraine. And surely, many 
American would not accept the coup which violate their choice.

  ak>> Again and again -- law is very important! Yushchenko won Ukrainian
  ak>> president elections in 2005 (defeating Yanukovich), and
  ak>> then _everybody_ in Ukraine excepted it. Because it was a legal
  ak>> event. Russia also had no motive to to interfere.

  AS> Then Yanukovich won, then people got tired of him and his anti-
  AS> people politics, then Russia decided to interfere.

Elections then were a perfectly legal way to dismiss President. And it 
is funny to listen when somebody says about all the people, "They 
tired"! ;-) And they made a revolution! It is funny to hear such an 
agrument as the justification for the political coup in Ukraine -- then 
the democratic country without any tyranny!!!

  AS>>> It was not the native people, it was paramilitary Russian groups,
  AS>>> then Russian army.
  ak>> Protasov told me about a group of 50 paramilitaries who entered
  ak>> Ukraine then. But it was in vain, unless local people fight also.
  ak>> As for the real Russian army -- it was not in Donbass until 2022
  ak>> because there are no reports it used aviation, long range rockets
  ak>> as it does now. It is funny to think than somebody sends his army
  ak>> to somewhere and prohibits it using heavy weapon.

  AS> Most of fighters were from Russia. They used Russian weapons.

In Donbass the rebels captured military bases and got a lot of weapon. 
Why does it sound incredible?

  ak>>>> Russia could not stay away, whoever was in power there, unless
  ak>>>> it lost conscience and proud not defending those Russians in
  ak>>>> Ukraine.
  AS>>> They could have just accepted all those Russians back, not to
  AS>>> invade foreign country.
  ak>> If to be true, it must be said that during the USSR time at least
  ak>> 40 percent people in Ukraine were Russian people. After Ukraine
  ak>> became independent they were ordered ;-) to consider themselves as
  ak>> Ukrainians and it was the shame and a time bomb. In short it is a
  ak>> crazy idea to suggest to millions of Russians in Ukraine go to
  ak>> Russia. They live on their own land and defend it.

  AS> Well, they either could go to Russia or accept their Ukrainian
  AS> citizenship, not to invite Russia to start a colonial war. Also,
  AS> don't mix Russian-speaking people with Russian citizens.

Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and Russians. And it could 
prosper like Switzerland or Canada. To demand people to leave their own 
land sounds nasty and ugly.

Bye, Alex!
Alexander Koryagin
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