Subj : Re: It seems there are various different ideas floating around:
To   : Wilfred van Velzen
From : John Dovey
Date : Thu May 27 2021 01:42 pm

  Re: Re: It seems there are various different ideas floating around:
  By: Wilfred van Velzen to John Dovey on Thu May 27 2021 11:48:35

 JD>> 6. Is the Nodelist a "List of BBS Systems"?
 WV> No. It's a list of FTN capable nodes.
True, but the discussion implies that it's being used for more than that, or at 
least as the basis, so asking the question and taking that attitude into 
consideration, is merited.

 JD>> If so, what services do they offer? eg Telnet (port?), SSH (Port?,
 JD>> Rlogin (Port?), USENET News, etc

 WV> That information doesn't belong in the nodelist.
I never said it did. What I have suggested is that the nodelist itself could be 
revisited in it's entireity, and this is one reason why.

 JD>> as well as the path taken. The spec suggests that each system along
 JD>> the route is supposed to report back safe arrival of the mail.
 WV> Not "each system along the route". Just the ones that have the TRACE flag.

I must have a reading comprehesion problem then, because that's how I read it 
from the announcement of the change from 
PING and TRACE" to seperation of PING and TRACE. No worries, I'll go and read 
it again to make sure.
 JD>> The further points about what services the host provides. Synchronet
 JD>> already has something built in which figures that out and reports
 WV> Apparently Synchronet sysops don't object to this information being
 WV> published? Or is it optional? 
Both. Which is exactly my point. 

 JD>> I think it's just how we approach it which makes it doable or not.
 JD>> Deciding what the real need is, figuring out what the concerns are
 JD>> etc and addressing those.
 WV> It's all nice to think about and discuss, but if there isn't anyone to
 WV> implement it, it's all futile... 

That's an interesting perspective to hear from someone who is using a plethora 
of tools envisged, developed and made available by a bunch of dreamers working 
on their own in their own time. Specifically including almost all the software 
which runs FidoNet. Not even to mention what my boss way back in the mid 80s 
had to say to me when I asked "Why are we paying for Unix when we could just 
install Slackware Linux".. which was pretty much the same patronising, 
dismissive attitude.

Ciao
John

John Dovey
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