Subj : Re: It seems there are various different ideas floating around:
To   : John Dovey
From : Wilfred van Velzen
Date : Thu May 27 2021 05:46 pm

Hi John,

On 2021-05-27 13:42:00, you wrote to me:

 JD>>> If so, what services do they offer? eg Telnet (port?), SSH (Port?,
 JD>>> Rlogin (Port?), USENET News, etc

 WV>> That information doesn't belong in the nodelist.

 JD> I never said it did. What I have suggested is that the nodelist itself
 JD> could be revisited in it's entireity, and this is one reason why.

Ain't gona happen... ;)

 JD>>> as well as the path taken. The spec suggests that each system along
 JD>>> the route is supposed to report back safe arrival of the mail.
 WV>> Not "each system along the route". Just the ones that have the TRACE
 WV>> flag.

 JD> I must have a reading comprehesion problem then, because that's how I read
 JD> it from the announcement of the change from PING and TRACE" to seperation
 JD> of PING and TRACE. No worries, I'll go and read it again to make sure.

Only the systems that fly any of those flags, are expected to respond to PING 
netmails. Most systems don't fly those flags. They aren't obligated to do 
anything with those mails, only forward them on their route.

 JD>>> I think it's just how we approach it which makes it doable or not.
 JD>>> Deciding what the real need is, figuring out what the concerns are
 JD>>> etc and addressing those.

 WV>> It's all nice to think about and discuss, but if there isn't anyone
 WV>> to implement it, it's all futile...

 JD> That's an interesting perspective to hear from someone who is using a
 JD> plethora of tools envisged, developed and made available by a bunch of
 JD> dreamers working on their own in their own time. Specifically including
 JD> almost all the software which runs FidoNet. Not even to mention what my
 JD> boss way back in the mid 80s had to say to me when I asked "Why are we
 JD> paying for Unix when we could just install Slackware Linux".. which was
 JD> pretty much the same patronising, dismissive attitude.

Just saying, we can have long discussions about nice to have websites with all 
kinds of interesting information about fidonet on them, but if no one is 
interested in implementing it...

Bye, Wilfred.

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