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                          So when does 2 not equal 2?
                                        
> > If someone was to drop a bomb on this building, it would wipe out 50
> > percent of the Lisp community. That would probably be a good thing. It
> > would allow Lisp to start over.
> > 
> 
> That wasn't exactly what John said, but it was pretty close. Again, the
> main thing here was somebody with impeccable Lisp credentials saying that
> Lisp was far from perfect and in fact needed to do better than Common Lisp.
> The fact that Patrick, Henry, and John all argued essentially the same
> thing was a wake-up call, I think.
> 

“Finding Lisp: ILC 2005, Wednesday report (late) [1]”

Now, I have this love-hate relationship with Lisp. I love the idea of Lisp,
and it is a cool language, but I hate the implementations of it (it doesn't
play well with other languages), lack of syntax (which expresses itself in
Lisp as a metric buttload of parenthesises), the nasty low level details one
has to keep in mind (really! In Common Lisp [2], 2 (this particular instance
of the number) is not necessarily equal to 2 (this other instance of the
number)—I kid you not!) and the rather archaic way it still operates (CAR and
CDR are remnents from the very first implementation where one took the
“contents of the address register” for the current element in a list, and
“contents of the decrement register” for the rest of the list—even though you
now have FIRST and [DELETED-REST-DELETED] [DELETED-LAST (oh, it's called LAST
even though it returns the rest of the list)-DELETED] REST (apparently, I had
it right the first time, and LAST is used for something else in Lisp—sigh)
nobody ever uses those).

Oh, and to get any real speed out of Lisp you have to forego using lists
(which is what Lisp stands for—“LISt Processing”) and use more specific data
structures (never mind the fact that Lisp is still taught as if it only has
lists).

The “John” mentioned above is John McCarthy [3], inventor of Lisp, which is
one of the two oldest programming langauges (the other being FORTRAN (Formula
Translator)), and if he, of all people, doesn't have much positive to say
about Lisp, then what chance does it have of gaining wide spread acceptance
in the industry (Greenspun's Tenth Rule [4] notwithstanding)?

[1] http://www.findinglisp.com/blog/2005/06/ilc-2005-wednesday-report-late.html
[2] http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/lisp.html
[3] http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun's_Tenth_Rule

Email author at sean@conman.org

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