------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capcom Vs. SNK 2 A-Groove Akuma Guide ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Nick T. (c) 2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unpublished work Copyright 2004 This document is protected by US Copyright Law. It is for private and personal use. It cannot be reprinted in part or in whole, or reproduced in any form, written or otherwise. It is a free document that cannot be used in any sort of commercial transaction, including, but not limited to, selling it or giving it away as a gift. This FAQ cannot be referenced, altered, or used by anybody (including webmasters, publishers, and magazine staff) without my express written permission. This FAQ was created and is owned by me, Nicholas Temme. All copyrights and trademarks are acknowledged and respected that are not specifically mentioned herein. The CvS series and all of its characters are (c) Capcom of Japan and (c) SNK / Playmore of Japan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- Table of Contents ------------------------- 1. INTRODUCTION 2. LEGEND 3. AKUMA BASICS -strengths / weaknesses -A Groove Akumas gameplan -Battery, user, or anchor? 4. MOVELIST -normals -throws -specials -supers 5. BASIC COMBOS -ground -jump-in -3 hit air combo rule (w/ examples) 6. BASIC STRATEGY A. Offensive -full screen -half screen -close range -opponent in corner -knockdown B. Defensive -in corner / rushdown pressure 7. CUSTOM COMBOS -basic custom combo -ways of building meter -setups A. blocked blanka ball setup -guard crush 8. VS. GROOVE STRATS -C Groove -A Groove -P Groove -S Groove -N Groove -K Groove 9. CHARACTER STRATEGY -Cammy -Guile -Sagat 10. THANKS/CREDITS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- 1. Introduction -------------------------------------- Most people say that Akuma is a bad character because of the damage he takes. This faq is to help A Groove Akuma users with ways to move around, get past tough matchups, and custom combos, which involve setups, and building meter. It's also going to help with how Akuma stays alive, which is explained throughout the faq in many parts, explained in many situations. In conclusion, the faq will explain how Akuma is not as bad a character as people think. Enjoy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- 2. Legend -------------------------------- st. = standing cr. = crouching Jab = LP Strong = MP Fierce = HP Short = LK Forward = MK Roundhouse(RH) = HK DP = Dragon Punch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- 3. Akuma Basics -------------------------------- -Strengths- =============== Akuma has a pretty good mixup game after knockdown, or on the ground. His dragon punches have invincibilty at startup. He has good pressure strings, with decent recovery. Along with a good runaway game, I feel that Akuma is an all around good character. -Weaknesses- =============== Akuma takes damage really easily. He has a hard time getting away from a rushdown string (without using teleport). He also doesn't have too many options of rushdown. Which is why you mixup normals and specials (explained later). Alot of characters counter Akuma. They include Vega, Blanka, Sagat, Cammy, Sakura, Guile, almost everyone, except a few. I feel he does okay against Ryu, Ken, Yun, and mostly the mid-low tiers. -A Groove Akumas Gameplan- ========================== The main purpose of A Groove Akuma is to build meter while still having an effective ground/mixup game, while moving in for the custom combo setup. Most players will know this and try to keep you away, which in turn can kill you. Zoning is a big part in Akumas gameplan, offensively and defensively. You want to maintain space with your opponent most of the time, this keeps them alert and waiting for you to make the move, which becomes a guessing game for them, causing them to second guess and mess up. But what you want is to get a knockdown most of the time. This is where his strengths come in. After the knockdown, there are alot of options for Akuma to do. (More explained in section 5) -Battery, user, or anchor?- ========================= Akuma needs meter to do alot of damage. As I see it, there are two options for you to follow: 1) Ratio 1, battery : Builds meter, doesn't require you to get in, you could just zone, bait, and counter. Still has an effective ground/pressure/mixup game(see section 6). Overall, only basic gameplay is required. 2) Ratio 1, user: Can build meter if needed to. Still an effective ground game. But, the only thing thats different between first character spot and second character spot is that a rushdown plan is pretty much needed in second character spot to get in and use the meter(unless you're about to die). The best spot in my opinion is battery spot. User spot can be used if you're better at rushdown. But to be safe, battery spot is obviously the better choice. Akuma as an anchor I would not recommend. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- 4. Movelist ------------------- -Normals- ========== Version Damage (Close/Far) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jab: Standing (400/300) Crouching (300/300) Jumping (500/500) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Strong: Standing (700/900) Crouching (800/800) Jumping (700/700) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fierce: Standing (1100/1300) Crouching (1100/1100) Jumping (1100/1100) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Short: Standing (400/400) Crouching (200/200) Jumping (400/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forward: Standing (800/800) Crouching (700/700) Jumping (700/700) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roundhouse: Standing (1300/1100) Crouching (1200/1200) Jumping (1100/1100) -Throws- ========= Seoi Nage : 1700 f/b+fierce Tomoe Nage : 2000 f/b+roundhouse -Specials- ========== Tenma kuujin kyaku: 800 down+forward kick (air only) Overhead chop: 800 f+strong (can't be blocked low) Gou hadou: qcf+p -jab: 800 -strong: 900 -fierce: 1000 Shakunetsu hadou ken: hcb+p -jab: 900 (1 hit) -strong: 1000 (2 hits) -fierce: 1100 (3 hits) Zankuu hadou ken: qcf+p (air only) -jab: 600 -strong: 700 -fierce: 800 Tatsumaki zankuu kyaku: qcb+k (also in air) -short: 900 (2 hits) -forward: 900 (2 hits) -RH: 1300 (3 hits) All hurricane kicks for Akuma are 500 on first hit and 400 for every hit after. Gou Shoryu: f, qcf+p -Jab: 1700 -strong: 1800 -fierce: 1900 All versions are 3 hits each Hyakki Shuu: f, qcf+k no input -Slide: 1000 any p -Punch: 1100 Any k -Kick: 1200 f/b+p(close) -Punch grab: 1100 f/b+k(close) -Kick grab: 1900 Ashura senkuu: f,qcf+pp (long distance forward teleport) b,qcb+pp (long distance backwards teleport) f,qcf+kk (short distance forward teleport) b,qcb+kk (short distance backwards teleport) -Supers- ========= Messatsu Gou Shoryu: 3885 qcf x2+p Tenma Gou Zankuu: 3150 qcf x2+p (air only) Messatsu Gou Hadou: 3780 hcb x2+p Note:All supers are level 1 because well, it's A Groove :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- 5. Basic Combos ------------------------- -Ground- ========= -cr. jab, cr. forward, fierce fireball -cr. short, cr. jab, cr. short, short hurricane -cr. short x2, short hurricane, fierce dragon punch -cr. strong, cr. short, short hurricane, fierce dragon punch -cr. jab, st. fierce, fierce fireball -cr. jab, cr. roundhouse, short hurricane -cr. short x2, fierce dragon punch -Jump-in- ========== -crossup forward, cr. short x2, fierce fireball -crossup forward, cr. short x2, short hurricane -tiger knee air fireball, st. forward, fierce red fireball -tiger knee air fireball, st. forward, fierce red fireball, jab dp x2 (in corner only) -crossup forward, cr. jab, cr. fierce, forward hurricane -crossup forward, st. fierce, fierce red fireball -3 hit air combo rule (w/ examples)- ============================== The 3 hit air combo rule only works with Akuma. It happens when you knock your opponent into the air and you get 2 extra hits while they fall. Example: close cr. roundhouse, short hurricane = 3 hits The cr. RH counts as one hit and because you're close, the short hurricane does two hits. far cr. RH, short hurricane x2 = 3 hits The cr. RH counts as one hit and because you're far, the first short hurricane does one hit, and the second does another hit. tiger knee air fireball, st. forward, fierce red fireball, jab dp x2 (in corner only)= 3 hits The fierce red fireball counts as one air hit, and the jab dp counts as two( if the dp hits twice, if it hits once, do one more dp) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- 6. Basic Strategy ------------------------- A. Offensive -------------------- -Full screen- ============ Once Akuma is at full screen distance, it's hard to move in (characters zoning, etc.). The whole thing to Akumas game is to make your opponent mess up and go for that big combo/damage. In order to do this you have to use his specials to get you in if they're zoning you. Simply walking up and trying to attack will not work most of the time, they most likely will go for a throw, or just simply push you back, which is hard for Akuma to counter without RC fireball or a crossup. The only options you have are the following: 1) Throw fireballs for pressure, and move in depending on what your opponent does. 2) Bait and trick your opponent. Number 1 is self explanitory. But, number 2 requires a little more explanation. Baiting and tricking your opponent can technically be done with anything, as long as you're safe. At full screen distance, when you try to move in by baiting and tricking you should try to anticipate your opponents next move. Let's look at a few things: A) Teleporting in and out: Most people will try to counter you at the end of the teleport, teleporting backwards after is pretty safe.Mixing up different distanced teleports creates a frustrating guessing game for your opponent, often making the jump back or towards you, or whiffing attacks. If they jump towards you as you teleport, more than likely you'll recover before they land, dragon punch them. If you recover at the same time they land, then go for a pressure string (explained later). If they jump back, throw a few fireballs. Can't get much simpler than that. : ) B) Throwing whiffed air fireballs: Throwing air fireballs is good for air and ground cover. duh ; ). But air fireballs give you a mixup of different distances, and therefore, different area cover. This can sometimes be misleading to a character like Cammy. The person using her may try to roll though them, but since her roll is slow, you can throw her when she's done(if it's timed right). You can also trip into short hurricane..etc. But basically the air fireballs are used to throw off timing. Sometimes you can even fake an air fireball (When you're just about to land, do qcf+any punch. The air fireball animation will come out but no fireball). Whiffing air fireballs builds meter fairly well also. But sometimes just jumping back can give your opponent a false idea. C) Whiffing short hurricane kick: This can be used to bait a slide or a trip. The fact that the hurricane recovers quickly and that its from a far distance, gives you plenty of time to block, dash in and throw, giving you a mixup possibility on their wakeup (explained later). Sometimes people will try to cross you up when you get close enough, you definitely should recover before they land. Just do hcb+fierce(anti crossup dragon punch). Other than it building meter, whiffing short hurricanes doesn't do much at full screen distance. D) Jab command roll: =O Thats right, the command roll. Often seen as a crappy move, the command roll is good for baiting(at full screen at least ; ) ) This move also gives your opponent an idea that its okay to attack. You should probably predict that your opponent will attack, and If they try to attack, you do that notorious psychic dragon punch that you hear about sometimes. The command roll goes through attacks also. It goes through Rocks elbow attack(qcb+punch), Nakoruru's bird super, and I think it goes through Rocks shine knuckle super, not sure on that one. Either way, the command roll shouldn't be left out completely. -Half screen- ============ As I mentioned before, zoning is Akuma's big thing. Well, this is where it happens. As I said Akuma pretty much just waits for that big oppurtunity to do damage, and zone again. Akuma has a few select things he can do when both characters are turtling(this is what most likely happens at half screen). Again, baiting plays a part in this too, along with a good footsie game. I'll explain the reasoning behind zoning and what it has to deal with. 1)Baiting and punishing 2)Roll cancel fireball 3)Basic poking 1)Baiting and punishing: Same as full screen except things are alot stricter. Simply whiffing anything will not work much at half screen. Your opponent will either poke from a distance, or bait you. Its simply a matter of who out baits who. Any good player will know the distances for most of the pokes, if not all of them. So knowing your range is important. Now since Akumas pokes barely reach the opponent at half screen, walking in and out and throwing out a cr. forward or a cr. roundhouse into fireball isn't going to get you too far, baiting is Akumas only option at half screen. Baiting with jabs could get you opponent to throw a whiffed poke then you go for a crossup. If you see your opponents pattern while you bait, the next time they do it, you can punish with a dragon punch, or short hurricane. Depending on your opponents reaction speed try to use stuff with a tiny bit of lag to bait, such as cr. forward, or st. strong, sometimes even st. fierce. 2)Roll cancel fireball: Roll cancel fireball at half screen can be used to bait a jump, a roll, or to stop that safe poke that your opponent does every so often to make you panic. If they jump, you dragon punch. If they roll, you throw them. This makes your opponent frustrated and possibly make more mistakes. But as I said above, your opponent will most likely be baiting you also, so be careful. 3)Basic poking: Not much to be said for this part. Just poke from a distance with cr. forward, cr. forward into fireball to bait a roll, and cr. roundhouse into fireball. -Close range- ============= This is where the rushdown/mixup game comes in. Akuma has a wide variety of things to do at this point. I find that this is a strong part of Akumas ground game. This is to make your opponent panic and mess up. Again? yes. Baiting plays another part yet again in this section! His rushdown and mixup game I feel are structured in the following(no specific order): 1)Counter hit / throw setups 2)Good footsies 3)The almost infinite block string I understand that the list above should all be summed up under "good footsies", but it's easier for me to explain, therefore, it's easily explained to you, the reader. 1)Counter hit / throw setups: These as i've come to realize, are very important in a close range ground game. These are the basic foundation of rushdown in my opinion. A counter hit / throw is when you attack your opponent for a short amount of time, then just walk forward and throw because they think you're going to attack. Thats the throw setup of that part. (Example): cr. short x2, st. jab, crossup forward, throw. cr. jab x3, cr. forward , fireball....opponent blocks it, you dash in, throw. The counter hit part of it is when you poke once or twice to try to bait an attack after they block your pokes , then when you see it coming, you counter it with something fast, into a big combo. (Example): cr. short x2, wait, opponent tries to counter, you do cr. jab into short hurricane, activate/Dp ..etc. Of course when you're doing this you need to watch out for supers. 2)Good footsies: When people think of footsies they probably think poking, and thats probably all they think. Its actually just mixing up your patterns. With Akuma this can be done in many ways. He has different ways of resetting combos and then simply going for a throw at any point. Footsies can be a mixture of anything safe. Switching from specials, to block strings, to throws is a basic footsie game, and Akuma is no exception to this. It can also consist of counter hit / throw setups as explained above to work into a reset combo. I'll show examples of this: (Example): Akuma Vs. Sagat: cr. short x2, st. jab, crossup forward, cr. short, wait, (Sagat tries to cr. forward), cr. short, short hurricane, fierce DP. (Sagat wakes up), cr. jab, st. jab, walk up, throw. (Sagat wakes up), st. short (it hits), cr. short, st. short, RH demon flip, punch grab, short hurricane, activate/etc In the example I used all 3 things mentioned in the description above (Resetting combos, counter hit / throw setups, switching patterns into a throw). Thats pretty much how you apply footsies to Akuma. 3)The semi-infinite block string: I discovered this a while ago and I use it in my rushdown game. cr. RH, short hurricane....repeat. It's semi-infinite because the only opening is between the end of the short hurricane, and before the cr. RH hits. It happens really fast and because the short hurricane has alot of priority, the only thing the opponent can do is block it, counter attack it, or super, or else they get hit. It never pushes you back unless you add any extra poke in the string. It works well on big characters, but on small characters, the short hurricane whiffs. So, you use it like a counter hit / throw setup situation. (Example): Akuma Vs. Yuri: cr. RH, short hurricane, (Yuri ducks, the hurricane whiffs), Yuri tries to Dp out, you counter Dp. -Opponent in corner- ================== When the opponent is in the corner, you need to play with Akuma in terms of the zoning explained in the half screen section, with the trickiness of the rushdown explained in the close range section, along with a mixture of good footsies, and counter hit / throw setups(seen above). Basically, this is where it all comes together. You want to mix all the strategies explained in the faq and use it. Lets say you start off with zoning. You throw a few fireballs to get your opponent to roll or jump, and they don't, you out of nowhere dash in and throw. But how about you don't throw, you could go for a counter hit / throw setup, or a block string. With all this stuff to choose from, you should be able to keep your opponent guessing your next move, unless you get too obvious. Let's use Akuma Vs. Rolento: (Example): Throw a few fireballs to see what he does, Rolento doesn't do anything, you dash in, throw. If he Scouter jumps, you dragon punch. He rolls, you throw him back into the corner. On wakeup you walk up to him, cr. jab, st. fierce, wait a split second, pp teleport behind. What happens is your opponent using Rolento may try to attack during that split second, you teleport behind him and his move whiffs, and his back is turned to you, which is even worse for Rolento. You then do cr. RH, short hurricane x2, kk teleport over the body, dive kick over him on wakeup, poke once, throw into corner again. After that you could go for a counter hit / throw setup...etc. The example had all the items explained in the previous sections. These are all elements of basic footsies. -Knockdown- ============ When Akuma gets a knockdown, he has any number of things to do to an opponent on wakeup. He could bait, jump around, go for throw, block string setup for guard damage, alot of things. I use Akuma to bait most of the time if the opponent has a super, considering the damage he could take. I bait the super and then I block , the opponent has no meter now. Akuma during a knockdown just needs to mix things up and make your opponent mess up, and give you an advantage.The following are ways to mixup your opponent on wakeup: 1)Whiff pokes, then teleport or jump back. 2)Dive kick over the body, teleport over the body(you recover in plenty of time to block) 3)Walk back a little, whiff pokes. 4)Do a red / air fireball for guard damage. 5)Teleport over body, crossup. (Example): cr. RH, short hurricane x2, land, teleport behind, crossup forward, st. jab x2, throw. All the setups listed above are used for baiting and once you learn the timing, you should be alright. : ) B. Defensive --------------------- -In corner / rushdown pressure- =========================== Akuma getting stuck in the corner is like a death trap. Why not teleport out? Thats fine if your opponent doesn't have super. But if they do have super, you might get a super coming at you as you teleport, which hits you on your recovery. You want to be able to turn the tables around and put them in the corner. There are a number of options for this: 1)Roll cancel jab fireball: This gives you the option of running away after the knockdown, or mixing your opponent up(see knockdown section). 2)Counter hit / throw setups 3)Roll cancel short hurricane: You can do another short and activate, or mixup your opponent....etc 4)Figure out their pattern and go for a big combo, countering your opponent. Not too much explanation needed for this section. I just wanted to put options in for this situation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- 7. Custom Combos ---------------------------- -Basic custom combo- ==================== Akuma's custom combo is probably the most difficult custom combo in the game. It takes alot of practice to get the timing down for it. It goes as follows: cr. RH, short hurricane, activate, [st. fierce, RH Demon flip, (fierce, RH hurricane), land, fierce red fireball] x3 , (parenthesis)= in air [brackets] = repeat When you get into the corner, do: [st. strong, fierce red fireball] xN, fireball super. -Ways of building meter- ===================== 1) runaway air fireball 2) runaway hurricane kick 3) short hurricane 4) cr. strong 5) cr. forward 6) whiffed jab Dp -Setups- ========= 1)Most basic setup. cr. RH, short hurricane, activate 2)cr. short x2, st. short, RH demon flip, punch grab, short hurricane, activate. 3)cr. jab, st. jab, forward demon flip, punch grab, short hurricane, activate. 4)jump in RH hurricane, short hurricane, activate. 5)Anti air jab DP, walk forward a little, activate, short hurricane x2, st. fierce, etc. 6)st. jab, activate, st. fierce, fierce red fireball(if it hits)-RH demon flip ...etc(the rest of the cc) (If it doesn't)-RH demon flip, punch grab, short hurricane, etc. 7)jump in activate through an attack, fierce DP, cancel into short hurricane after 2 hits..etc 8)On Sagat- Jab Dp , walk forward, activate, cr. fierce, RH demon flip..etc 9)In corner-fierce air fireball, dash in, st. forward, fierce red fireball, jab dp x2, activate, st. jab, red fireball..repeat. 10)Anti air with upward hurricane (down, down+back,back,up+back, up....a reverse C) activate when u land, st. fierce... etc. 11)Anti air grab with demon flip punch grab, land, short hurricane, activate. 12)Jab air fireball(must hit their feet), dash in, cr. RH, short hurricane, activate. 13)Mixup for all setups with a demon flip in it after activation: short Demon Flip, land, (if it hits): short hurricane, st. fierce..etc. (If it doesn't): cr. forward, fierce red fireball, quick cancel into RH Demon Flip, punch grab, short hurricane...etc 14)activate, close st. fierce, fierce red fireball, RH demon flip...etc A. Blocked Blanka ball setup ------------------------------------------- Block it high, activate, fierce crossup fireball(tiger knee fireball), cr. forward, fierce red fireball, cancel into RH demon flip, punch grab, short hurricane ..etc... (Kinda risky if opponent has meter, but, it has good mixup possibility) (Example): after the RH demon flip, if they try to anti air, do fierce, RH hurricane, fierce red fireball. If they block high trip them with the demon flip, short hurricane,etc. If they do nothing, punch grab, short hurricane...etc.) -Guard crush- ============= 1) In close... activate, fierce DP cancel into short hurricane...repeat....the hurricane kick recovers fast enough to do a DP in time again. 2) in close..... cr. forward, red fireball x2, RH demon flip....repeat (has the same mixup possibility as the Blocked Blanka ball setup) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- 8. Vs. Groove Strats ---------------------------- This section is to give you basic strategies against all the grooves. -C - Groove- ============ Since C - Groove relies on supers(duh :P), when they do get a full meter, you want to bait the super, then block / avoid it, then zone your opponent. Now depending on matchup, this will change slightly. Watch out for: 1)Roll super: -Just block it, the worst they can do is throw you. 2)Jump-ins: -You don't want to miss the activation into anti air custom combo oppurtunity. 3)Any roll cancels: -If you know that a RC is coming, activate through it, Dp it, or avoid it. -Try to bait them sometimes too, but if you're not looking for one, don't give any oppurtunities away. 4)Avoid RC openings: - The best way to do this is to attack with guard crush combos. 5)Counter Attacks -A - Groove- =========== Build meter before your opponent does. Any A - Groover will almost never use their counter attack because of the meter for the custom combo. Watch out for: 1)Roll activate 2)Jump-in / dash / walk up activate 3)Any RC's 4)Zoning: -People may zone and bait you into their custom combo setup. 5)Custom combo resets -P - Groove- =========== Go for throw setups. Pressure with fierce red fireballs. Mix high and low pokes. Start a custom combo differently each time(high / low). Watch out for: 1)People trying to bait pokes so they can parry them. 2)People who wiggle the joystick back and forth repeatedly so they can get parries whenever you try to attack them: -Just throw them 3)Jump-ins: -Anti air them just as they're about to land(throw off they're timing for a parry) 4)Small jumps -S - Groove- =========== Go for throw setups. Pressure with fierce red fireballs. Watch out for: 1)Dodges 2)Level 1 super pressure / random level 1's 3)Small jumps 4)Jump-ins: You don't want to miss the activation into anti air custom combo oppurtunity. 5)Counter Attacks -N - Groove- =========== Same as C - Groove except with run, small jump, and counter roll. Thats all I remember at the moment...sorry. So you basically follow the same thing as C - Groove(bait supers....etc). Watch out for: 1)Pop tricks 2)Roll cancels 3)Roll super 4)Small jumps 5)Jump-ins: -Anti air custom combo setup 6)Fake level 3: -They break a stock making you think they have a level 3 waiting -K - Groove- =========== Same stuff as P - Groove. Except K - Groove has run and JD's. Watch out for: 1)Small jumps 2)Jump-ins: -Anti air custom combo setup 3)People trying to bait pokes so they can JD them. 4)People who wiggle the joystick back and forth repeatedly so they can get JD's whenever you try to attack them: -Just throw them 5) Watch your opponents meter: -If you're about to die, and they almost have full meter, taunt them. When they kill you, you'll have meter the next round, they won't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ 9. Character Strategy ------------------------------ Akuma has some tough matchups that give him problems. The following are a few that should help most people. -Cammy- ========= Cammy Vs. Akuma is a rough matchup for Akuma. Most of the time Akuma will get zoned out by Cammy and Akuma is left with a few options once he's been zoned. What you want to do is get her to come to you while still being offensive. 1)Runaway with air fireballs: -This gives Cammy a few options: A)Roll cancel through them: -You can just anticipate an attack after she RC's, block it. If she doesn't attack, throw her, or start your own rushdown game(see section 6) B)Wait for you to land to attack: -Throw her timing off with the air fireballs so you can counter her when she attacks. -Since the air fireball finishes about the same time as you land, you can start baiting her C)Wait for you to land and zone you again: -If she gets at the right distance from you, you can go for a crossup fireball. Then start a pressure game of your own 2)Get a knockdown: -You can then go for crossup fireball, then your own pressure game. (see section 6) Thats about it, just don't get zoned by Cammy, and you should be okay. :) -Guile- ======= Guile can zone and pressure you with Sonic Booms and block strings. The best thing to do is work your way around those obstacles and go for a CC setup. 1)Bait pokes to crossup and combo after. 2)Jump in activate: -Most Guiles tend to throw a few Sonic Booms to get you to jump, walk forward, do a few cr. forwards, then they hold their charge. When you jump in, they anti air you. Activate through it. 3)RC fireball through pressure strings Other than that, it's all turtling and baiting Guile to make him mess up. -Sagat- ======== Sagat can keep you away with fireballs, st. short, cr. forward, and Tiger Uppercut. Again, the best thing to do is work your way around these obstacles and rushdown when you get the chance(see section 6). 1)Short hurricane kick over low tiger shot. 2)Fierce fireball under a high tiger shot: -It just misses Akuma 3)Fierce Dp through Sagats cr. fierce 4)Short hurricane when Sagat does st. short. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- 10. Thanks / Credits ----------------------------- Nicholas "NiCKaH" C. - For editting help. The East Coast players -Helping me learn CvS2 throughout the years. bas, Buktooth88 -Helping me in my gameplay and giving me an insight on West Coast and Japanese gameplay. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bye Thanks for reading My shoryuken.com screen name is Nick T. (period included) PM me there if you have questions. www.shoryuken.com -Go there for all your Street Fighter needs. : )