~ T A L E S o f S Y M P H O N I A ~ AFFECTION DEMYSTIFIED Version 2.05 =============================================================================== Table of Contents ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Introduction................................................1-000 What is Affection?..........................................1-001 Why Write This Guide?.......................................1-002 2. General Information.........................................2-000 Basics......................................................2-001 GRADE Shop..................................................2-002 Fortune Teller..............................................2-003 Skit Points.................................................2-004 Cooking.....................................................2-005 Other Notes.................................................2-006 Effects of Affection........................................2-007 Affection-Related Quirks....................................2-008 General Tips................................................2-009 3. Affection Values............................................3-000 Game start: Initial affection values........................3-001 Iselia: In classroom........................................3-002 Iselia: Talking with the Pastor.............................3-003 Martel Temple: Kratos joins.................................3-004 Martel Temple: After Colette receives her crystal...........3-005 Iselia Human Ranch: Talking with Marble.....................3-006 Iselia Human Ranch: Desians see Marble......................3-007 Dirk's House: When Colette asks to go on the terrace........3-008 Dirk's House: If you said "Just a minute" to Colette........3-009 Triet: Check Colette's inn door.............................3-010 Triet: Examine Genis on his bed.............................3-011 Triet: Talk to Raine again..................................3-012 Triet: Kratos goes outside..................................3-013 Triet: Camping after the first seal.........................3-014 Ossa Trail: Sheena falls in the hole........................3-015 Izoold: Lyla asks you to deliver a letter...................3-016 Hima: Sophia asks if you are Sheena's friends...............3-017 Hima: Sophia asks you to get Boltzman's Book................3-018 Palmacosta: Kratos offers to train Lloyd....................3-019 Palmacosta: Genis's test....................................3-020 House of Salvation: Find Sheena praying.....................3-021 Luin: Find Sheena playing with some kids....................3-022 Palmacosta Region: Chocolat's kidnapping....................3-023 Palmacosta Human Ranch: Talking with Neil...................3-024 Palmacosta: Dorr asks Lloyd to save his wife................3-025 House of Salvation: Searching for the Spiritua Statue.......3-026 Thoda Geyser: Obtaining the Spiritua Statue.................3-027 Asgard: Kratos offers to train Lloyd........................3-028 Luin: Encounter Sheena......................................3-029 Luin: Sheena offers to join the party.......................3-030 Luin: Discussion about Exspheres............................3-031 Luin: Kratos offers to train Lloyd..........................3-032 Asgard Human Ranch: Team selection (GC).....................3-033 Tower of Mana: Team selection...............................3-034 Palmacosta: Talking to Neil in his office about Dorr........3-035 Asgard: Find the Fake Chosen group at the dais..............3-036 Hima: Before going to the Tower of Salvation................3-037 Hima: Kratos offers to train Lloyd..........................3-038 Hima: Choose who to ride the dragon with....................3-039 Meltokio: Raine makes a proposal to the Pope................3-040 Meltokio: The party stays overnight at Zelos's mansion......3-041 Sybak: Talk to the woman about Kratos's movements...........3-042 Ozette: Man near the item shop insults Presea...............3-043 Ozette: Presea asks to accompany the group..................3-044 Ozette: Talk to woman in inn who mentions Kratos............3-045 Mizuho: Talking to Vice-Chief Tiga about Volt...............3-046 Temple of Earth: Gnomelette wants Curry.....................3-047 Temple of Ice: Celsius' Tear quiz...........................3-048 Gaoracchia Forest: Pick up the Fafnir.......................3-049 Altessa's House: Mithos asks to accompany the group.........3-050 Altamira: Regal asks to accompany the group.................3-051 Altamira: Regal prays at Alicia's grave (PS)................3-052 Altamira: Discussion at the teacups ride (PS)...............3-053 Altamira: Choose someone to ride the rides with (PS)........3-054 Meltokio: Fight in the Coliseum to save Kate................3-055 Izoold: Find Clara on the beach.............................3-056 Thoda Dock: Candy asks questions about Regal................3-057 Iselia Human Ranch: Team selection..........................3-058 Dirk's House: Talk on terrace...............................3-059 Nova's Caravan: Discussion about the Monster List...........3-060 Sybak: In the Archives......................................3-061 Meltokio: Find Kratos near the castle.......................3-062 Asgard: Encounter the Fake Chosen group (PS)................3-063 Altamira: Rosa asks you to give some money to Joshua........3-064 Sybak: Talking to Joshua about Rosa.........................3-065 Altessa's House: Raine collapses............................3-066 Altessa's House: Examine the Exsphere on the table..........3-067 Meltokio: Talk to Janet.....................................3-068 Sybak: Talk to Horace.......................................3-069 Meltokio: Talk to Janet after talking to Horace.............3-070 Exire: Encounter Virginia...................................3-071 Flanoir: Zelos admires the ice sculptures (PS)..............3-072 Meltokio: Princess Hilda is kidnapped.......................3-073 Sybak: Boy from slums has lost his mother...................3-074 Meltokio: Fight Seles in the Coliseum (PS)..................3-075 Mizuho: Talking to Tiga about Kuchinawa.....................3-076 Mizuho: Before duel with Kuchinawa..........................3-077 Mizuho: Lose the duel with Kuchinawa........................3-078 Mizuho: Win the duel with Kuchinawa.........................3-079 Luin: Choose an honorary mayor (PS).........................3-080 Flanoir Inn Decision: Pick a soul mate......................3-081 Meltokio: Dinner party......................................3-082 Altamira: Mother has lost her four daughters................3-083 Altamira: Beach time........................................3-084 Mizuho: Chief Igaguri awakens...............................3-085 Mizuho: Get Sheena's "Successor" title......................3-086 Luin: Aifread offers a second contract......................3-087 Heimdall: Night before Lloyd's duel with Kratos.............3-088 Meltokio: Get Regal's "God of The Kitchen" title............3-089 Meltokio: Learn about Regal's master (GC)...................3-090 Hot Spring: Talk to Regal's master..........................3-091 Ozette: Talk to Ralph.......................................3-092 Martel Temple: Sheena hears Corrine's voice.................3-093 Luin: Examine Lloyd's statue with Kratos in the party.......3-094 Forbidden Anamnesis: Burning the book.......................3-095 Skit Point #S-1: East of Iselia House of Salvation..........3-096 Skit Point #S-2: South of Triet Ruins.......................3-097 Skit Point #S-3: South of Ossa Trail entrance...............3-098 Skit Point #S-4: South of Izoold............................3-099 Skit Point #S-5: West of Iselia House of Salvation..........3-100 Skit Point #S-6: Island west of Palmacosta..................3-101 Skit Point #S-7: Next to river west of Thoda Dock...........3-102 Skit Point #S-8: Island west of House of Salvation..........3-103 Skit Point #S-9: North of Balacruf Mausoleum................3-104 Skit Point #S-10: East of Tower of Mana.....................3-105 Skit Point #S-11: North of Lake Umacy.......................3-106 Skit Point #S-12: South of Luin.............................3-107 Skit Point #S-13: West of the Tower of Mana.................3-108 Skit Point #S-14: Next to the bridge........................3-109 Skit Point #S-15: Northeast of Hima.........................3-110 Skit Point #S-16: South of Hima.............................3-111 Skit Point #S-17: South of Tower of Salvation...............3-112 Skit Point #S-18: Grassy peninsula south of Asgard..........3-113 Skit Point #S-19: South end of Katz' Village island.........3-114 Skit Point #S-20: Thoda Geyser island.......................3-115 Skit Point #T-1: East of Fooji Mountains....................3-116 Skit Point #T-2: North of Gaoracchia Forest.................3-117 Skit Point #T-3: Southwest of Tower of Salvation............3-118 Skit Point #T-4: Southwest of Mizuho........................3-119 Skit Point #T-5: East of Tower of Salvation.................3-120 Skit Point #T-6: Small island northeast of Ozette...........3-121 Skit Point #T-7: North of Temple of Lightning...............3-122 Skit Point #T-8: West of Temple of Lightning................3-123 Skit Point #T-9: Southwest of Flanoir.......................3-124 Skit Point #T-10: Southeast of Flanoir......................3-125 Skit Point #T-11: Southeast of Altamira island..............3-126 Skit Point #T-12: Northeast of Altamira.....................3-127 Skit Point #T-13: South of Ymir House of Guidance...........3-128 Skit Point #T-14: Southwest of Latheon Gorge................3-129 Skit Point #T-15: South of Ymir Forest......................3-130 Skit Point #T-16: Southwest of Toize Valley Mine............3-131 Skit Point #T-17: South of Toize Valley Mine................3-132 Skit Point #T-18: East of Toize Valley Mine.................3-133 Skit Point #T-19: East of Guidepost Monument................3-134 Skit Point #T-20: Islands in northwest Tethe'alla...........3-135 Cooking: Lloyd cooks a dish.................................3-136 4. Affection Tallies...........................................4-000 Colette.....................................................4-001 Genis.......................................................4-002 Raine.......................................................4-003 Kratos......................................................4-004 Sheena......................................................4-005 Zelos.......................................................4-006 Presea......................................................4-007 Regal.......................................................4-008 NOT Colette.................................................4-009 Even Affection Save.........................................4-010 Changes in Chronicles.......................................4-011 Conclusions.................................................4-012 5. Credits and Version Information.............................5-000 =============================================================================== Introduction 1-000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This guide is divided into two main parts. The first section gives technical details regarding how the affection system works, behind the scenes, in Tales of Symphonia. If you simply are looking for a more practical guide regarding how to utilize affection while playing the game, skip down to section 3, the "Affection Values" section. (See also "General Tips" under section 2.) Spoilers abound in this guide, and they are not marked, so beware. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is Affection? 1-001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most people who have played Tales of Symphonia are probably familiar with the affection system therein, but just to be thorough: During the game, various choices and actions made by you, the player, will affect how much your other eight party members like Lloyd, the main character. In the game this is known as "affection" and this is stored invisibly in a hidden value on each of the party members. The character with the highest affection value is known as Lloyd's "soul mate" and will have additional interactions at certain places in the game (see "Effects of Affection" below for a list). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why Write This Guide? 1-002 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It all began so innocuously. Quite by accident, a web search landed me on Namco's official FAQ website. I wasn't even looking for information on affection (I was looking for the food chart) and I ended up here: http://support.namcobandaigames.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle& kbarticleid=142 This "solution" states quite innocently that cooking raises and lowers affection. I'd never heard of such a thing on any other FAQ, guide, forums, or other venue that I'd read or searched. I decided it couldn't possibly be true and probably was just left over from the game design document or something. Still, my curiosity was piqued, so I decided to experiment. My first snafu was that the Namco solution incorrectly specifies Shrimp as an ingredient that raises Zelos's affection, so I spent about 60 battles accomplishing absolutely nothing (and further convincing myself that the whole thing was bogus). But, rather than just leaving it at that, something caused me to try Tuna next. I cooked using Tuna about 30 times, went to the fortune teller at Triet, checked my affection values...and lo and behold, Zelos had gone from "hopeless" to "a tiny bit of faith" with nothing but cooking! I was floored. It actually worked! Still, this didn't explain other oddities that I was seeing. Cooking seemed to increase and decrease affection at a finer granularity than things like conversation decisions. I began to suspect that every dialogue choice actually raised affection by at least 20 points. But it was impossible to say for sure, especially since the fortune teller seemed erratic at best. Finally, in a fit of insanity, I purchased a USB Memory Adapter and hacked the save files to find those all-important affection bits and figure out just what in the world was happening behind the scenes. The results surprised me...yet they fit all of my observations all this time. Thus was born this affection guide, which utilizes data taken directly from saved games. While this does preclude me from "seeing" what is happening in real time (I can only view changes when I can save), at least I can get very definite values and answers to a lot of nagging questions. =============================================================================== General Information 2-000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: This guide was originally written for the GameCube (GCN) version of the game. It now includes information regarding Chronicles, but most testing was done on the GCN. As far as other versions of the game go, I have only tested the PlayStation 3 (PS3) port ("Tales of Symphonia: Chronicles"). Most of the changes made in Chronicles were probably actually made in the PlayStation 2 (PS2) version and then carried over to Chronicles; however, I cannot actually vouch for anything in the PS2 (or PC/Steam) versions. Furthermore, my experience is entirely with the English versions of the game, so if there are functional differences between the Japanese and the localizations, I won't know about them. In this guide, I mark Chronicles changes with "PS" as a shortcut to acknowledge they probably also exist in the PS2 version (and probably the PC/Steam version as well). Original GameCube version notes are marked with "GC". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Basics 2-001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Affection is stored as a four-byte signed integer. I have no idea why they use this many bytes as it's really overkill, but whenever I flip someone's affection negative, all four bytes are affected, so I'm fairly certain they are all being used for affection. Affection is capped by the game at 10,000 per character in the positive direction. (What a waste of an int. Why not use a short?) I haven't tested the lowerbound value; affection can go negative, but I haven't yet determined just how far you can tank someone's affection below zero. Colette begins the game with 500 affection. Everyone else starts at 0. Most choices you make in dialogue result in changes of +/- 60, 120, or 180 (that is, they are multiples of 60). You can see these in the "Affection Values" section later on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GRADE Shop 2-002 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The "Affection" option in the GRADE Shop copies over the affection values from the clear game save to your new game. With this, Colette no longer gets the automatic 500 point advantage. This copies the affection values of all nine of your party members, and then the decisions you make throughout the game will alter them from there. When you go to Triet, you won't be able to view the values of people who you haven't gotten into your party yet, and the fortune teller's "I dunno" response will only take into consideration those that are included in her list at that moment, which might not necessarily be the character who actually has the highest value overall. Purchasing the "Increase Tension" option alters how frequently characters go into Over Limit. It has no effect on affection. "Tension" refers to the hidden meter governing when a character goes Over Limit. (Compare with Yuri and Raven's "Tension" skills in Tales of Vesperia that also deal with that game's Over Limit.) Despite the term, tension has nothing to do with affection (other than the fact that cooking raises/lowers both values simultaneously). I have personally verified this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fortune Teller 2-003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The fortune teller in Triet will offer you tiered responses based on your characters' affection values, as well as a hint regarding who is presently on top (commonly referred to as the soul mate--which is not to be confused with her "You two are total soul mates!" rating, which is unrelated). In the event of a tie for the topmost slot, the soul mate appears to be determined in the same order as the list that the fortune teller shows you (which is also the same order that the characters are stored in the save file; that is: Colette, Genis, Raine, Sheena, Zelos, Presea, Regal, Kratos). This means Colette wins out over everyone else, and Kratos loses out against anyone else. The reverse is also true when deciding who is your lowest-affection character: in the case of a tie, the person who is lowest on the above list is chosen. Here is a guide for the values that you must have for each tier: <= 0 : ...doesn't think much of you at all. 1 - 200 : ...has a tiny bit of faith in you. 201 - 400 : ...seems to have some faith in you. 401 - 800 : ...thinks very highly of you! 801 - 1000 : ...has a lot of faith in you! >= 1001 : ...You two are total soul mates! (I find it curious that affection changes are almost always in multiples of 60, yet the fortune teller uses hundreds for her thresholds. Ahh, programmers.) As you can see, the actual range of useful values is fairly small; and given the extreme size of the variables, it is possible to overshoot both "hopeless" and "soul mate" ranges quite severely. It is also possible to get multiple characters into "soul mate" (or "hopeless") range simultaneously, though whoever has the highest value overall will still be the one considered to be Lloyd's soul mate (even if he or she is not actually in "soul mate" range). Here is what the fortune teller says for each character when that character is the soul mate and you choose the "I dunno" option: Colette: "Oh, don't be so embarrassed. Don't try to hide your feelings. Someone already likes you. She is close to you and is always thinking of you. Her feelings for you are like a delicate flower. Through tender care and love, it could bloom into a beautiful, powerful bond." Genis: "Oh, don't be embarrassed. Don't try to hide it, because someone already wants to be your best friend. He is always making fun of you, but he really looks up to you. He is attracted to the straight and honest way you live your life. He might become your best friend for life." Raine: "Oh, don't be so embarrassed. Don't try to hide your feelings. Someone already likes you. She watches over you, sometimes stern and sometimes gentle. She treats you coldly to hide the fact that she is really kind at heart. There is much that you can learn from her. You should grow up ASAP for her sake." Sheena: "Oh, don't be embarrassed. Don't try to hide it, because someone already likes you. You two are similar and get along well. She's a little rough, but that's because she's embarrassed to show her feelings. Deep in her heart, she needs you. You should answer her feelings of devotion." Zelos: "Oh, don't be embarrassed. Don't try to hide it, because someone already wants to be your best friend. He's always joking around, but he has high expectations for you. Perhaps he wants to live his life seriously like you. If you become his true best friend, his future will be bright." Regal: "Oh, don't be embarrassed. Don't try to hide it, because someone already wants to be your best friend. He lives his life punishing himself. He thinks that you may be able to heal his loneliness and regret. You two may be able to become like brothers." Presea: "Oh, don't be embarrassed. Don't try to hide it, because someone already likes you. She has mature, lonely eyes and a sad heart that feels like some part of it is empty. She is uncertain about the state she finds herself in. She believes that you may be the one who can fill the void in her heart. Don't take too long to realize the feelings she has for you." Kratos: "Oh, don't be embarrassed. Don't try to hide it, because someone already likes you. Although seemingly stolid, he is trying to guide you and show you the way. Hmm, this is strange. I can't see any more of his heart. Anyway, you should answer his trust." Kratos: "Oh, don't be embarrassed. Don't try to hide it, because someone already likes you. Although seemingly stolid, he is trying to guide you and show you the way. You two are like father and son. He loves you like a father. You should answer his trust." Kratos has two as his description changes during the course of the game. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Points 2-004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In this document, the term "skit points" refers to the rings of light that you can find on the field map. Otherwise referred to by me as skit circles, touching one of these brings up a dialogue between Lloyd and one of the other characters. There is always one choice to be had here, and your decision, naturally, affects the character's affection. (No pun intended. ...Okay, yes it was.) Answering the skit "positively" has differing impact depending on the character, as follows: - Regal: +180 - Presea: +120 - Colette: +60 - Genis: +60 - Raine: +60 - Sheena: +60 - Zelos: +60 - Kratos: +60 These values reflect the fact that the designers felt it was otherwise difficult to gain affection with Regal and Presea and they therefore needed an additional boost. As you can see in the "Affection Tallies" section, this is necessary for them to reach the potential of the other characters, although Regal's are a little bit of an overkill. Zelos, despite joining the party after Presea, enjoys no additional boost. And Colette, despite not needing a boost at all, gets six skits in total rather than the four or five that everyone else has. Notice that Regal's skit points alone are enough to send him from "a tiny bit of faith" straight into "a lot of faith" or even "soul mate" range depending on exactly where he started. On the other hand, you can do all five of, say, Sheena's skits, and still not boost her out of "very highly" range. Answering a skit point "negatively" has no effect whatsoever. The character does not gain or lose affection in this case. However, since you can only do each skit point once per play, this does mean that answering one negatively causes you to miss out on the affection gain it would otherwise grant. On the other hand, it is not possible to use skit points to deliberately lower a character's affection. For that, you would have to use cooking. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cooking 2-005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Having Lloyd cook foods that include ingredients a character likes increases that character's affection by +1 per dish. Cooking with disliked ingredients lowers affection by -1. Whether the ingredient is optional or required seems to make no difference. Whether the cooking attempt succeeds or fails also seems to make no difference. Lloyd must be the one doing the cooking in order for this to happen. Also, in order to be affected a character has to be present in the party--although it is not necessary for him to actually be in your active battle force. As long as the character is there in your menu screen, he will be affected by things Lloyd cooks, even if he's sitting on the bench at the time. Cooking affects the affection values of petrified and KO'd characters as well, so you can't deliberately kill someone off to prevent him from being affected. When a character leaves the party for plot reasons (such as when Colette gets kidnapped), that character is not affected by any cooking done while he/she is gone. A single dish can affect multiple characters in the party simultaneously, depending on what ingredients are involved. The most notable example is that cooking with Melon will affect Colette, Zelos, AND Regal (assuming they are all present in the party). Cooking a Seafood Stew using Octopus and Tofu will please Regal and annoy Zelos at the same time. And so on. Cooking using both liked and disliked ingredients at once for a particular character will cancel each other out and the total effect is +0. For example, if Lloyd cooks using both Milk and Carrot, Genis will not gain or lose affection. All affection gains/losses are capped at +/- 1 per dish. So cooking a Fruit Cocktail with 5 Melons will still only lower Regal's affection by -1 per dish (and only raises Colette's and Zelos's affection by +1 per cooking). Cooking Fruit Cocktail with 5 different fruits will only raise Colette's affection by +1 per dish as well (even though she likes every ingredient involved). Because of this, you must cook 60 times just to equal the same change in affection that you get from the most minor of dialogue decisions. You might see a change in the fortune teller sooner than this, though, depending on exactly how close the character was to the threshold to begin with. I have tested all of the foods listed below. So far I have not seen any reactions to ingredients other than these. LIKES DISLIKES Lloyd: Beef (not Strips) Tomato Colette: All Fruits Bell Pepper Genis: Milk Carrot Raine: Lemon Mushroom Sheena: Rice (not Barley) (None?) Zelos: Tuna, Snapper, Melon Octopus Presea: (None?) (None?) Regal: Tofu Cucumber, Melon Kratos: Tuna Tomato (Note: Namco's solution contains a few errors. What I list above are those ingredients that I personally tested. In particular, Shrimp for Zelos and Cucumber for Colette both appear to be errors, and contrary to what the solution says, Sheena does have a liked ingredient, though I have not yet found a disliked one.) Colette likes all ingredients in the game's "Fruit" category. (These are the same ones that are used when "All Fruits" is listed, for example for Fruit Cocktail.) This includes Lemon, but does not include Tomato (which is considered a vegetable by the game). This means you cannot raise Raine's affection via cooking without also raising Colette's, unless Colette happens to not be in the party at the time. (If you want to cook a dish that requires Rice without raising Sheena's affection, use the "Barley Rice" item instead of the "Rice" item.) Through careful use of cooking, it is possible to fine-tune a character's affection value as needed. However, this does not work for Presea, who does not seem to respond to anything that Lloyd cooks. And it does not appear to be possible to lower Sheena's affection value using cooking; she can only gain. Since favored foods also affect Over Limit meters regardless of who is doing the cooking, it is possible the designers didn't want players to have to worry about lowering Sheena's Over Limit via cooking (thus limiting how frequently she can summon) but this does have the unfortunate side effect of making it impossible to deliberately reduce affection with her via cooking as well. (Presea's lack of food tastes is most likely due to plot reasons, but even after she is awakened later in the game, she does not appear to respond to any foods.) Note that Colette's preferences do not change even after she loses her sense of taste (which makes no plot sense because there's even a Z-skit mentioning that she's eating the bell peppers that she didn't like before, yet cooking using them will still lower her affection). For that matter, even when she goes soulless she will still like/dislike the same foods, and her affection value changes accordingly whenever Lloyd cooks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Notes 2-006 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have not seen any indication that who you use in your battle party has any effect on affection whatsoever. Using a character frequently or leaving him on the bench does not appear to matter. The only times this matters are situations where the group splits up and the player has to pick which characters accompany Lloyd. These decisions, in and of themselves, will impact affection. But simply including or excluding someone from the active battle party via the menu screen does not seem to have any effect at all. (Character usage percentages are displayed on the Save/Load screen but these do not appear to impact affection.) It also does not appear to matter whether you personally control a character or leave him to the AI. Lloyd's soul mate and the character you choose in the Flanoir Inn Decision are two different things. Some scenes in the game are hard-coded to use your Inn Decision character regardless of his or her affection value. Other scenes will use whoever presently has the highest affection regardless of who you selected in Flanoir. It is not necessary to pick your highest-affection character in the Inn Decision (you get a choice of the top three plus Kratos, who could possibly even be your lowest-affection character). Furthermore, although the selected character gets a boost of +180 to his affection when picked at Flanoir, he does not automatically become the soul mate unless that boost in affection just happened to be enough to get him there. The Sardonyx item's description in your item list claims it will "help you find your soul mate"; however, thus far I have not seen any effects of having it equipped in regards to affection. I've tried putting it on Lloyd and on a character that I am raising/lowering affection with but affection gains/losses do not change. It would be kind of cool if you could put an item on your desired soul mate to increase gains or lessen losses with that person, but so far I haven't seen it actually work. (Editor's Note: I would point out that in Dawn of the New World Zelos comes equipped with a Sardonyx. JUST SAYING.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Effects of Affection 2-007 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * When retrieving the Spiritua Statue at Thoda Island, if you fail the mini- game, your highest-affection character (of those present in the party) will be the one who saves Lloyd. * Whether Sheena joins your party at Luin or waits until the Asgard Human Ranch is related to affection. As near as I can tell, upon entering Luin, Sheena gets an automatic +180 boost to her affection. If, after that boost, she's in your top three in terms of affection, Sheena will offer to join. Otherwise, she doesn't. Note that this top-three check does not count the Tethe'alla characters (if you carried over affection in the GRADE Shop), only those presently in your party. * In the PS versions, the character who is selected to have the award named after him in Palmacosta appears to be related to affection. If either Genis or Kratos is highest affection, he gets picked. Otherwise, Lloyd is selected. * At the Remote Island Human Ranch, the lure for the trap is your lowest- affection character, and the person who helps Lloyd is the highest. (Excluding Kratos, of course.) * In the Temple of Darkness, the character that waits outside the little hole for Lloyd is the one with the highest affection (unless your highest is Kratos and he's not presently in the party, in which case you get your second-highest instead). * The order that the characters talk to Forcystus at the Iselia Human Ranch is related to affection. The highest of the three people you brought with you speaks first, then the second-highest, then the lowest says the line at the end about hurrying, right before the battle starts. The one deviation from this is if you brought Kratos with you, he always interjects in the middle regardless of affection. (Note: Affection does NOT impact who turns off the machine after the fight; that's hard-coded.) * At Dirk's House after the Iselia Ranch, the locations of the characters depends on their relative affection values (except for Sheena and Kratos). The lowest is by the window inside the first floor of the house. The second- lowest is outside next to the clothesline on the path to the tombstone. Next in line stands near Noishe; next-highest is by the tombstone. Finally, your second-highest is upstairs in the bedroom, and the highest-affection character will be waiting outside on the terrace, and you will get extended dialogue with him or her. If Kratos or Sheena is highest, then you get their extended dialogue when they automatically speak with Lloyd earlier, and the next-highest (excluding Kratos and Sheena) will be on the terrace, though you will get only his or her abbreviated comment. * During the side quest regarding Presea and the Exspheres, the person who stays behind is your lowest-affection character (not counting Presea herself, of course). * During the big reveal at Altessa's House, Zelos will come outside with Colette if he is the highest-affection character. This scene does not otherwise change if anyone else (including Kratos, who isn't even in the party at the time) has the highest affection. * When the Flanoir doctor leaves for Altessa's, the characters selected to go with him are lined up in order of affection, with the lowest being the one who tells Lloyd they're borrowing his Rheaird. The organization of the characters around Lloyd during the cut scene the morning after is also according to affection. (The highest-affection character is next to Lloyd, on the right side of the screen. Then the second-highest is to that character's left, and the third is beside the second, and the remaining four are on the left side of the screen, with the lowest being the one in the middle that Lloyd asks about Altessa.) Curiously, it doesn't appear to matter for this who you actually chose during the Inn Decision. * The Flanoir Inn Decision, as discussed above. The characters you are allowed to choose from during the nighttime event at Flanoir are the three with the highest affection, plus Kratos (GC only). The character you choose here is used in the following events regardless of who actually has the highest affection value at those times. Thus, once you select an Inn Decision character, those scenes which use that character are set into stone and affection no longer matters for them. The character selected at Flanoir... * Determines (indirectly) the boss that you fight during the third visit to the Tower of Salvation. (There are also a couple of Z-skits related to this that depend on who was selected at Flanoir.) This also determines who ends up being your eighth party member at the end of the game. * Visits Lloyd during the night at Heimdall prior to entering Torent Forest. (If Kratos was selected then there is no scene here.) * Speaks up to Kratos when Lloyd faces off for his one-on-one duel with Kratos. (If Kratos was selected at Flanoir then Lloyd says the line himself.) * Gets possessed by Mithos after the pact with Origin. (If Kratos was selected then Colette gets possessed instead; however, in this case Kratos gets some extra lines such as during the flashback scene when rescuing her.) There are also a couple of Z-skits related to this that depend on who was selected at Flanoir. * Gets rescued separately in Derris-Kharlan and thus does not participate in the various Mithos illusion scenes. (If you picked Kratos then this applies to Colette instead.) * Gets stuck with Mithos's Cruxis Crystal, which pops out of the character and returns to Mithos's second body right before the final boss fights. (Again, this will be Colette if you picked Kratos.) * Has some extra lines at the end of the game, urging Lloyd to revive the Giant Tree. * Is seen at Lloyd's house during the ending, with the implication being that character is going to travel the world with Lloyd searching for Exspheres. (If Kratos was selected then it is Colette who is seen here.) * In the swimsuit event at Altamira, the two characters who automatically join Lloyd on the beach are the two who have the highest affection values (that are in the party at the time), not including the one that you pick yourself. * In the dinner party event in Meltokio, if you select "I wonder who it is" then you will end up with the highest-affection character on the balcony (or your second-highest if your highest happens to be Kratos). * My experiments indicate that affection impacts whether you rescue your Inn Decision character in Derris-Kharlan before or after finding everybody else. So far in my tests, I've had to have SOMEONE with affection at or greater than 2000 in order to recover the kidnapped character in the room just beyond where everyone else disappears. (Otherwise, you find him/her in the middle area of Welgaia after rescuing everyone else.) Oddly enough, it doesn't have to be the Inn Decision character who has the high affection for this; anyone will do. * On Stratum:2 Floor:6 of the Forbidden Anamnesis dungeon (GC only), the character who encourages Lloyd is the one that currently has the highest affection, of those who are present in the party. * When participating in the Coliseum, when Lloyd enters he will be cheered on by the highest-affection character (of those in the party); and, conversely, when that character enters, Lloyd will cheer him/her on. * In the Triet Ruins you should get your first "Combo!" Z-skit if one of the people currently in your party is your highest-affection character. (Which, unless you have purchased the "Affection" option in the GRADE Shop, will almost certainly be Colette, because it is difficult to get anyone else above her by this point in the game.) After that, whenever you get a new character on top for the first time (and he/she's present in the party), you'll get the appropriate "Combo!" skit, usually just after the first battle you fight thereafter. (The character doesn't even have to actually be in the active battle party at the time.) Notice that the character has to have the highest affection out of all possible party members, not just of those presently in the party, in order for this to happen. (Not sure yet if Zelos counts if you kill him off, but I think he does.) As with all Z-skits, you can only view each particular "Combo!" skit once per game regardless of how much you shuffle affection values around, so this only alerts you to the first time each particular character hits the top of the list. * When both Lloyd and the current highest-affection character are used together in battle, you will frequently get a group win quote between Lloyd and the soul mate after winning the battle. * When the highest-affection character goes down in battle, Lloyd will react with one of his two "ally dies" lines; conversely, when Lloyd himself falls in battle, his soul mate will usually react. For example, Zelos normally responds only when a female dies in battle, but make him into Lloyd's soul mate, and he will start reacting whenever Lloyd goes down as well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Affection-Related Quirks 2-008 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By this I really mean affection-related bugs. This is just a list of a few places in the game's programming where affection affects the game in amusing (and arguably incorrect) ways. * Lloyd can alter his own affection value by cooking foods he likes/dislikes. This is pretty funny. As far as I know, his value isn't used for anything. In fact, since cooking appears to be the only thing that modifies it, usually it's zero. This appears to be an overlooked bug in the code. * In the Temple of Darkness, whenever you try to enter the little hole, your highest-affection character will pop out and say a line to Lloyd. This happens regardless of whether or not that character is actually present in the party. (This bug is most dramatic with Zelos on Kratos path: if Zelos happens to be highest-affection, you can still get him to appear here even after his death.) The only character the programmers anticipated regarding this is Kratos, in which case the game substitutes the second-highest instead...but, it doesn't bother to check whether your second-highest is actually in the party either. And speaking of Kratos, if he's presently in the party, then even though everyone else is removed temporarily from the party when you go through the hole, Kratos accompanies Lloyd inside and remains on your subscreen. (This is even more amusing if he happens to be highest-affection, because Lloyd tells him to wait there, but he doesn't.) * The orderings of the people in the Inn Decision can get shuffled around due to affection changes that occur as a result of the player rejecting/choosing certain characters. In the cut scene of the morning after, the people who remained behind with Lloyd are shown standing with Lloyd while those who left with the doctor run up to rejoin the rest of the group. However, depending on affection changes, it is possible for someone who left with the doctor to be shown already standing with Lloyd, and vice versa. * There are several places in the game where Zelos gains/loses affection even while dead and gone from the party. Granted, you can't see this during normal game play because the fortune teller excludes him from her list when he's dead, but you can see the effect in the Temple of Darkness among other places, and it's pretty funny to think about overall. * Party members can gain/lose affection from cooking done while they are unconscious. This is actually a side effect of the cooking system in general, in which cooking affects KO'd members because this was necessary in order to make it possible for certain dishes to actually lift the KO status itself. * I need more testing on this, but it's possible there is a bug with the affection-related "Combo!" skits, at least on the PS. If a character hits the top of the list at a time when he/she is not present in the party (easiest to do with Kratos since he's not in the party for half the game), naturally the associated "Combo!" skit cannot fire without the relevant person being there. However, the skit doesn't show up even when you get the character back in the party later, and this appears to also prevent any further "Combo!" skits from ever firing for the rest of the game, even for other characters. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- General Tips 2-009 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you're aiming for a certain person as Lloyd's soul mate, the most surefire way would be to go through the "Affection Values" section (below) and use it to guide every decision made throughout the game. However, if you would prefer not to have to reference this document all the time, this section just provides a few broad, overarching tips that you can keep in mind while playing. * Remember that by far the easiest affection gains come from skit points. Do all of the points for the person you want and skip all of the others. (If you find yourself in a skit for the wrong character and you don't want to reset, simply pick the "bad" response to negate any gains.) * Whenever your party members split off and the game allows you to have Lloyd talk to them individually, always talk to your desired soul mate first; this usually (though not always) raises affection. * Whenever you are asked to pick a character for anything, pick your desired soul mate if possible. (This is not always feasible for the required Coliseum battle, but most everywhere else should be fine.) * Juggle the affection of the other characters to keep them low. For example, if you are aiming for a Tethe'alla character, then while you are still in Sylvarant and several times you are asked to pick characters, each time pick different characters. This way you are spreading out affection gains/losses among the other party members, which helps prevent any one character from getting too high and usurping your desired soul mate. * Cooking is handy in that it allows for exact control over precisely who is affected and when, but it is limited during much of the game by availability of ingredients. Still, if you've exhausted everything else you can fall back on cooking, but be prepared to fight a lot of battles in this case, since you can only cook once per battle. Regarding specific characters... * Colette: Just play the game without trying for anyone in particular and you'll almost certainly get Colette. You can use her skit points as an additional boost if necessary. * Genis: There are lots of early-game decisions that boost him. The biggest problem is keeping Colette off Lloyd because most things that boost Genis also boost Colette. Be sure to do the Palmacosta student challenge before Palmacosta is destroyed. * Raine: Pick all of the options that you would never picture Lloyd saying. This has the side benefit of keeping Colette low as well. * Kratos: Visit Palmacosta first, before Hima, so that you can do all of the training sessions. Choose the same dialogue options as with Raine. Put Kratos on your team to fight Kvar and Forcystus. When you hit Tethe'alla, state that you trust Kratos and investigate his activities at every opportunity. (This may seem like a contradiction, because if you truly trusted him you wouldn't need to investigate what he's up to, but hey, that's the way the writers designed it.) Chronicles note: In the remakes, Kratos is the hardest character to get on demand in the Flanoir Inn Decision since his Tethe'alla skit point becomes unavailable after a certain time and most other ways of gaining affection with a character won't work without him being in the party. (This is likely the reason why he is automatically available in the original version of the game.) If you have already entered Tethe'alla before realizing you need Kratos in the top three to get his ending, there are a few things you can try to do to rectify the situation: * If you're not already past them, do the materials-gathering scenes. Investigate each one, of course. * Again, if you're not beyond this point, fight using Lloyd in the required Coliseum battle. Kratos will gain more than everyone else. * Heal Clara. This will boost Kratos and Raine by the same amount, but more than everyone else. * Put Kratos on Lloyd's team in the Iselia Human Ranch. * With Kratos in your party in the Iselia Human Ranch, cook with Tuna using Lloyd. * If you're not already past it, do Kratos's skit point outside Flanoir. * Say you trust Kratos in Sybak. * Do the new amusement park event and pick coffee. (When choosing who to ride the rides with, pick someone who is very low in affection.) * Do the new Luin mayor event and pick Lloyd. * If all else fails, knock off all of the contenders, either via side quests, or cooking if you have to. You cannot lower Sheena or Presea via cooking, but that's all right, as you only need Kratos in the top three. This could take an exceedingly long amount of time, however, depending on how much ground Kratos has to gain. * Sheena: Visit Hima before Palmacosta. Hit all of the locations where you see her before she joins the party and make use of the gains there. Try to keep everyone else low so that Sheena offers to join early and you can get an additional boost with her then. Don't lose to Kuchinawa (or wait on him until after Flanoir). * Zelos: Early game, go Kratos (but skip the training sessions). After you hit Tethe'alla, be sure to agree with Zelos on everything. Show no interest in Kratos's mysterious activities. Your biggest problem will, ironically, be Raine. Choose Zelos to fight in the Coliseum to save money, and also pick him for every other event where you are allowed to choose characters. Save Princess Hilda and help the boy in Sybak. * Presea: Make sure to do her side quest with Janet and Horace. Talk to Janet first so that you can do all three of the scenes. Also view the Exspheres event at Altessa's House. Presea has few dialogue options that affect her. Try to keep everyone else low by juggling their affection values around. * Regal: Do his skit points and the Candy quiz. Seriously, that's about all you need to do for him. =============================================================================== Affection Values 3-000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This section lists everything I have ever found in the game which modifies affection. I also list a few places where it appears like there may be an affection change but there actually isn't, just for the record. This list is in roughly chronological order, although not all of these choices will necessarily be offered depending on decisions you make during the game and the order that you do certain events. Note: All skit point numberings are based on the official BradyGames guide. Yes, I individually tested each and every one of the skit points. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Game start: Initial affection values 3-001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Start of game : Colette +500 (Note: Unless you purchase the "Affection" option from the GRADE Shop, Colette starts the game automatically at 500 affection. Everyone else starts at 0.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iselia: In classroom 3-002 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "It's research." : Genis +120 * "Okay, fine." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iselia: Talk with the Pastor in the school or outside Martel Temple 3-003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I'm going too." : Colette +120, Genis +60 * "I'll wait for you." : Genis -60, Raine +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martel Temple: Kratos joins 3-004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "What did you say?!" : Kratos -60 * "...Gotcha." : Kratos +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martel Temple: After Colette receives her crystal 3-005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * First person spoken to : (Character) +60 * Skip them all and just step onto the warp panel : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iselia Human Ranch: Talking with Marble 3-006 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Fine" : Genis +60 * "But..." : Genis -60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iselia Human Ranch: Desians see Marble 3-007 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "...Okay." : Genis -60 * "But..." : Genis +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dirk's House: When Colette asks to go on the terrace 3-008 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Sure." : Colette +120 * "Just a minute." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dirk's House: If you said "Just a minute" to Colette 3-009 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Talk to Genis first : Genis +60 * Talk to Raine first : Raine +60 * Talk to Kratos first : Kratos +180 * Talk to Colette first : Colette +120 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Triet: After Sylvarant Base, check Colette's door at the inn 3-010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Go in." : Colette +60 * "Let's not." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Triet: After Sylvarant Base, examine Genis on his bed 3-011 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Pinch his nose!" : no change * "Let's not wake him." : Genis +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Triet: After Sylvarant Base, after giving Raine her Key Crest 3-012 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Talk to Raine again : Raine +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Triet: After Sylvarant Base, seeing Kratos going outside 3-013 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Let's follow him." : Kratos +120 * "Let's leave him alone." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Triet: Camping after the first seal, first person spoken to... 3-014 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Talk to Colette first : Colette +60 * "It was missing something." : Genis +60 * "It tasted pretty good." : Genis -60 * "Colette is Colette." : Raine +60 * "She's just becoming an angel, right?" : no change * "The village was my fault." : Kratos +60 * "I guess you're right." : Kratos +120 (Note: Only the first person spoken to is affected in any way--unless you said "she's just becoming an angel" to Raine, in which case the second character you talk to is affected instead.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ossa Trail: Sheena falls in the hole 3-015 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Leave her alone. She's an enemy." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60 (+120 on PS) * "Well...I do feel a bit sorry for her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Izoold: Lyla asks you to deliver a letter 3-016 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Okay." : no change * "No." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hima: Sophia asks if you are Sheena's friends 3-017 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Yes." : Sheena +60 * "You've got to be kidding!" : Sheena -60 (Editor's Note: The second response is worth seeing at least once.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hima: Sophia asks you to get Boltzman's Book 3-018 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "All right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Kratos +180, Sheena +180 * "Okay, but..." : Genis +180, Raine +180, Kratos +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Palmacosta: Kratos offers to train Lloyd 3-019 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Nah, never mind." : Kratos -120 * "Please." : Kratos +120 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Palmacosta: Genis's test 3-020 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Get all 3 questions correct : Genis +180 * Get 2 questions correct : Genis +60 * Get 1 question correct : Genis -60 * Get all 3 questions wrong : Genis -180 (Note: Accepting the challenge straight off or declining and then going back and doing it later does not matter.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- House of Salvation: Find Sheena praying 3-021 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Speak to her." : no change * "Leave her alone." : Sheena +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luin: Find Sheena playing with some kids 3-022 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "You're actually pretty nice." : Raine -60, Sheena +120 * "You're kind of cute." : Colette -60, Sheena +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Palmacosta Region: When hearing about Chocolat's kidnapping 3-023 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Yeah, okay." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +60 * "Releasing the seals comes first." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +120, Sheena -120 (Note: Sheena is affected only if she's in the party.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Palmacosta Human Ranch: Upon learning about the trap set by Dorr 3-024 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Let's go attack!" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena +180 * "Let's return to Palmacosta." : Colette +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena -120 (Note: Sheena is affected only if she's in the party.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Palmacosta: Dorr asks Lloyd to save his wife 3-025 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Okay." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Sheena +60 * "That I can't do." : Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +60 (Note: Sheena is affected only if she's in the party.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- House of Salvation: Searching for the Spiritua Statue 3-026 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I'll go get it." : Colette +120, Genis +60, Raine -120, Kratos -60, Sheena +120 * "The problem is the geyser." : Colette +60, Raine +120 (+180 on PS), Kratos +60 (Note: Sheena is affected only if she's in the party.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thoda Geyser: Obtaining the Spiritua Statue mini-game 3-027 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Succeed : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +180, Kratos +180, Sheena +180 * Fail (Colette) : Colette +120, Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 * Fail (Genis) : Colette -60, Genis +120, Raine -180, Sheena -60 * Fail (Kratos) : Kratos +120, Sheena -60 * Fail (Raine) : Colette -60, Genis -120, Raine +120, Sheena -60 * Fail (Sheena) : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena +120 (Note: Upon failing the mini-game, the character who rescues Lloyd is the one who currently has the highest affection of those in the party.) (Note: Sheena is affected regardless of whether she is in the party or not.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Asgard: Kratos offers to train Lloyd 3-028 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Nah, I'll pass." : Kratos -60 * "Yeah, I'll go." : Kratos +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luin: Find Sheena in the devastated Luin 3-029 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Encounter Sheena : Sheena +180 (automatic) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luin: Sheena offers to join the party 3-030 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Okay." : Colette +60, Sheena +60 * "No." : Colette -60, Raine +120, Sheena -60 (Note: Sheena will only offer to join if, after the +180 boost above, she's in your top three in terms of affection.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luin: Discussion after learning how Exspheres are created 3-031 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "All right." : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +120, Kratos +60, Sheena +180 * "No!" : Kratos +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luin: Kratos offers to train Lloyd 3-032 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "No, it's okay." : Kratos -180 * "Yeah, you're right." : Kratos +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Asgard Human Ranch: Team selection (GC only) 3-033 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Infiltration team : (Character) +60 * Deactivation team : (Character) -60 (Kratos gets -180) (Note: This impact occurs upon confirmation of your selections.) (Note: Sheena gets -60 for being on the deactivation team despite the extra dialogue you get for putting her there.) (Note: They removed this affection impact in Chronicles; however, Kratos still complains if you leave him out of Lloyd's group.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tower of Mana: Team selection 3-034 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Person chosen to accompany Lloyd and Colette : (Character) +60 * Three people left behind : (Character) -60 (Note: This applies only to the first time you pick a character. If you leave the tower and return, there are no further affection changes.) (Note: This affection impact does not occur if Sheena is not in the party when you come here.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Palmacosta: Talking to Neil in his office about Dorr 3-035 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "That's all right with me." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +120 * "I can't do that." : Colette -120, Genis -120, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena -120 (Note: Sheena is affected only if she's in the party.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Asgard: Find the Fake Chosen group at the dais 3-036 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Well, all right." : Colette +180, Genis -60, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena +120, Zelos -60, Presea -180, Regal +120 * "No." : Colette -60, Genis +120, Raine +180, Kratos +120, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +120, Regal -120 (Note: Only those characters who are actually in the party at the time are affected.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hima: Before going to the Tower of Salvation 3-037 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * First person spoken to : (Character) +60 * Skip everyone and just talk to Colette : Colette +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hima: Kratos offers to train Lloyd 3-038 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Nah, I don't need it." : Kratos -60 * "Please." : Kratos +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hima: Choose who to ride the dragon with 3-039 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I think Genis." : Colette +60, Genis +60 * "I think the Professor." : Colette -60, Raine +60 * "I think Sheena." : Colette -120, Sheena +120 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: Raine makes a proposal to Zelos and the Pope 3-040 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "All right. That's fine." : Colette +120, Genis -120, Raine +120, Zelos +180, Presea -60 * "No, we can't do that." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -120, Zelos -120, Presea +120 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: The party stays overnight at Zelos's mansion 3-041 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Talk to party members : no change (for the record) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sybak: Talk to the woman about Kratos's movements 3-042 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Who cares." : Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena +60, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal -60 * "Yeah." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ozette: Man near the item shop insults Presea 3-043 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I understand." : Raine +120, Zelos +120, Presea +180, Regal +120 * "How can you say that?!" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Sheena +120, Presea +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ozette: Presea asks to accompany the group 3-044 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Of course." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +180, Regal +180 * "What do you think, guys?" : Genis +120, Raine +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ozette: Talk to woman in inn who mentions Kratos 3-045 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I'm concerned about this." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine +120, Kratos +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 * "It won't do us any good to worry about it." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -180, Sheena +60, Zelos +180, Presea +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mizuho: Vice-Chief Tiga tells Sheena to form a pact with Volt 3-046 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Talk to party members : no change (for the record) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Temple of Earth: Gnomelette wants Curry 3-047 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Person who cooks : (Character) +120 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Temple of Ice: Genis asks three questions about the Celsius' Tear 3-048 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Celsius' Tear quiz : no change (really!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gaoracchia Forest: Pick up the Fafnir 3-049 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Just bear it for now, okay?" : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 (+60 on PS), Zelos -60, Presea +60, Regal -60 * "Should we stop collecting them?" : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +120 (Note: Kratos is unaffected even if he's in the party when you do this. Zelos IS affected even if he's NOT in the party when you do this...) (Trivia: I think the PS change is correcting a typo, because in the original game Sheena loses either way.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altessa's House: Mithos asks to accompany the group 3-050 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "All right, come on." : Colette +60, Genis +180, Raine +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -120, Presea -180, Regal +120 * "No, it's just too dangerous." : Colette +120, Genis -180, Raine -120, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +180, Regal -60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altamira: Regal asks to accompany the group 3-051 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Of course." : Colette +120, Sheena +120, Zelos +120, Regal +180 * "If that's all right with Presea." : Genis +120, Raine +120, Presea +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altamira: Regal prays at Alicia's grave (PS only) 3-052 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Join him in prayer." : Presea +180, Regal +180 * "Watch quietly." : Regal +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altamira: Free Pass: Discussion at the teacups ride (PS only) 3-053 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Me, too!" : Colette +60, Regal +180 * "I dunno, coffee's pretty great." : Raine +180, Kratos +60 (Note: Kratos is affected even if he's not in the party.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altamira: Free Pass: Choose someone to ride the rides with (PS only) 3-054 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Then I pick Colette!" : Colette +120 * "Then I pick Regal!" : Regal +180 * "Then I pick (Character)!" : (Character) +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: Fight in the Coliseum to save Kate 3-055 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Enter as Lloyd : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +180, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * Enter as someone else : (Character who entered) +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Izoold: Find Clara on the beach 3-056 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Save her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Leave her alone." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena -60, Zelos -60, Presea -60, Regal -60 (Note: Kratos and Zelos are both affected even if they're not presently in the party.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thoda Dock: Candy asks questions about Regal 3-057 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Leave them alone." : Regal -60 * "Save him." + "Lloyd." : Regal +180 * "Save him." + "Zelos." : Regal +120 * "Save him." + "Regal." + "President of a large company." + "Tofu." + "in Tethe'alla." + "60 billion Gald" + "Alicia." : Regal +600 (!) * "Save him." + "Regal." + "the Pope." + "Cucumber." + "in a dwarf's house." + "Secret" + "Presea." : Regal +0 (Note: I haven't yet mapped out all of the individual choices, but I have listed the maximum and minimum extremes as far as I have seen.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iselia Human Ranch: Team selection 3-058 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Reactor team : (Character) +60 (Kratos gets +120) * Rescue team : no change (Note: This impact occurs upon confirmation of your selections.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dirk's House: Talk to your highest-affection character on the terrace 3-059 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Talk to party members : no change (for the record) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nova's Caravan: Discussion about the Monster List 3-060 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Yeah." : Raine +60 * "I dunno about that...." : Raine -60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sybak: In the Archives looking for information on Colette's illness 3-061 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I trust Kratos." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +180, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "There is a possibility." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +120 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: Find Kratos near the castle 3-062 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Yeah, you're right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos -180, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +180 * "We can't just ignore it." : Colette +60, Genis -120, Raine +60, Kratos +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Asgard: Encounter the Fake Chosen group on disc 2 (PS only) 3-063 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Encounter Fake Chosen group : Colette +180, Genis -60 (Note: This is the scene you get automatically upon entering Asgard after the Iselia Human Ranch, if you did their prior scenes.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altamira: Rosa asks you to give some money to Joshua 3-064 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I'm sorry, but we can't." : no change * "All right." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sybak: Talking to Joshua about Rosa 3-065 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Tell the truth" : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Sheena +60, Zelos -60, Presea -60, Regal +60 * "Keep quiet" : Colette +120, Genis -60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +120 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altessa's House: Raine collapses 3-066 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Let them do what they want." : Raine +60 * "I'd better keep tabs on them." : Genis +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altessa's House: Examine the Exsphere on the table 3-067 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Learn about Exspheres : Presea +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: Talk to Janet 3-068 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Is something wrong?" : Presea +120 * "Let's go." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sybak: Talk to Horace 3-069 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Do you really want to leave it like that?" : Presea +120 * "Okay, let's get going." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: Talk to Janet after talking to Horace 3-070 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Presea..." : Presea +240 * "Let's go." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Exire: Encounter Virginia 3-071 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Get Virginia's Diary : Raine +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flanoir: Zelos admires the ice sculptures (PS only) 3-072 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "What? Tell me." : Zelos +120 * "Weirdo." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: Princess Hilda is kidnapped 3-073 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Rescue Princess Hilda : Zelos +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sybak: Boy from slums has lost his mother 3-074 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Help the lost boy : Zelos +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: Fight Seles in the Coliseum (PS only) 3-075 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Defeat Seles : Zelos +180 (Note: Zelos has to be in the party to be affected.) (Note: It doesn't matter which character you are using to fight in the Coliseum.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mizuho: Talking to Tiga about Kuchinawa 3-076 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Kuchinawa was working with the Pope." : Sheena -180 * "I don't know anything about it." : Sheena +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mizuho: Before the duel with Kuchinawa 3-077 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * First party member spoken to in town : (Character) +60 * Skip them all and just talk to Orochi : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mizuho: Lose the duel with Kuchinawa 3-078 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Lose to Kuchinawa : Sheena -180 (Editor's Note: I have no idea why Sheena loses respect for Lloyd when she's the one who lost the duel, not Lloyd...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mizuho: Win the duel with Kuchinawa 3-079 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Stop him" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +60, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +120 * "Don't stop him" : Colette -120, Genis -60, Raine +180, Sheena +120, Zelos -120, Presea +120, Regal +180 (Note: Kratos is unaffected even if he's in the party when you do this. Zelos IS affected even if he's NOT in the party when you do this...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luin: Choose an honorary mayor (PS only) 3-080 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Me, I guess?" : Kratos +60 * "How about Colette?" : Colette +60 * "Let's say Genis." : Genis +60 * "Raine's the smartest." : Raine +60 * "Give it to Sheena." : Sheena +60 * "Stick Zelos with it." : Zelos +60 * "Stick Kratos with it." : Kratos +60 * "Presea's level-headed." : Presea +60 * "Regal's the executive type." : Regal +60 (Note: Kratos is affected even if he's not in the party, if you choose Lloyd. For the others, you can only pick someone who is actually in the party.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flanoir Inn Decision: Pick a soul mate 3-081 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Character(s) you reject (if any) : (Character) -180 * Character you go outside with : (Character) +180 * Character you go with automatically if you reject first three : no change (Note: If you reject the first three and go out with the fourth, that character does not gain the +180 boost for being picked. To get the boost you have to get them into the top three and deliberately pick them.) (Note: The PS versions work the same way except you can only select from three people overall rather than four, which means you can only gain or lose affection with the first two and go out automatically with the third.) * Pick anyone BUT Kratos : Zelos +180 * Pick Kratos : Zelos -180 (Note: Zelos gains/loses regardless of whether you picked someone deliberately or went outside automatically with the fourth.) (Note: If you pick Zelos, he gains both of these, for a total of +360. If you reject Zelos and pick Kratos, Zelos gets -360.) (Trivia: This second affection impact doesn't actually kick in until Lloyd talks to Zelos about trust on the way out of town.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: Dinner party 3-082 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I bet it's (Character)." : (Character) +180 * "I wonder who it is." : Kratos +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altamira: Mother has lost her four daughters 3-083 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Sure." : Colette +180 * "That sounds like a pain...." : Colette -60 (Note: You cannot complete this event if you choose the latter.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altamira: Beach time 3-084 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Is it (Character)?" : (Character) +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mizuho: Chief Igaguri awakens 3-085 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * First party member spoken to while camping : (Character) +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mizuho: Get Sheena's "Successor" title 3-086 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Get this title : Sheena +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luin: Aifread offers a second contract 3-087 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Okay." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine -60, Kratos +60, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea -60, Regal -60 * "No way." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Presea +60, Regal +60 (Note: If you choose the latter, leave Luin and return to get Aifread to reappear. Talking to him again gives you the dialogue choice again, but only the first time impacts affection.) (Note: Only those characters who are in the party at the time are affected.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heimdall: Night before Lloyd's duel with Kratos 3-088 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Talk to party members : no change (for the record) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: Get Regal's "God of The Kitchen" title 3-089 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Get this title : Regal +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meltokio: Learn about Regal's master (GC only) 3-090 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "You bet." : Regal +180 * "...Ah, well..." : no change (Note: You cannot later find Levin at the Hot Spring if you choose the latter.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hot Spring: Talk to Regal's master 3-091 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Talk to Levin : Regal +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ozette: Talk to Ralph 3-092 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Was it because your heart was strong?" : no change * "Was it because you had a friend?" : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martel Temple: Sheena hears Corrine's voice 3-093 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Meet Verius : no change (just for the record) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luin: Examine Lloyd's statue with Kratos in the party 3-094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Examine the plaque : Kratos +60 (Note: This is the scene you get on Kratos path after rebuilding Luin and checking Lloyd's statue at the fountain.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forbidden Anamnesis: Burning the book after defeating the final boss 3-095 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Don't burn the Soulfire" : no change * "Burn the Soulfire" : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-1: East of Iselia House of Salvation 3-096 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "You did?" : Genis +60 * "Oh." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-2: South of Triet Ruins 3-097 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I'll leave her alone." : no change * "What's wrong, Professor?" : Raine +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-3: South of Ossa Trail entrance 3-098 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "You seem happy." : Colette +60 * "Wierdo." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-4: South of Izoold 3-099 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Yeah." : no change * "What's foolish about it?!" : Kratos +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-5: West of Iselia House of Salvation, over mountains 3-100 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Oh, I see." : Presea +120 * "I doubt it." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-6: Island west of Palmacosta, north of Remote Island 3-101 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "No." : no change * "Sure." : Presea +120 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-7: Next to river west of Thoda Dock 3-102 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Yeah." : Sheena +60 * "Does it?" : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-8: Island west of Palmacosta House of Salvation 3-103 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "What?! Are you serious?" : Zelos +60 * "Sure, go ahead." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-9: North of Balacruf Mausoleum 3-104 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Never mind." : no change * "I'll pay you when I get rich." : Zelos +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-10: East of Tower of Mana and Asgard Human Ranch 3-105 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I'll just leave her alone." : no change * "What's wrong?" : Colette +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-11: North of Lake Umacy (just over mountains from #10) 3-106 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I see..." : Raine +60 * "Don't try to console me." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-12: South of Luin on the cliffs 3-107 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "That's true." : Kratos +60 * "You're no fun." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-13: West of the Tower of Mana, on beach 3-108 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "It's probably useless." : no change * "You'll get better eventually." : Raine +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-14: Next to the bridge from Izoold to Hima 3-109 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Yeah." : no change * "No." : Genis +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-15: Northeast of Hima on cliffs near Luin 3-110 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "...Whatever." : no change * "I don't dislike you." : Kratos +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-16: South of Hima, west of Tower of Salvation 3-111 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Hehe, I know." : Colette +60 * "You think?" : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-17: On sandy peninsula south of Tower of Salvation 3-112 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "What're you doing?" : Genis +60 * "I'll leave him alone." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-18: Grassy peninsula south of Asgard, northeast of #17 3-113 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "So what?" : no change * "Yeah." : Sheena +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-19: South end of Katz' Village island, on beach 3-114 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I'll leave him alone." : no change * "What's on your mind?" : Regal +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #S-20: Thoda Geyser island 3-115 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "You really are mature." : Regal +180 * "You really are prude." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-1: East of Fooji Mountains, NE of Temple of Darkness 3-116 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "What's wrong, Professor?" : Raine +60 * "Don't know, don't wanna know." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-2: North of Gaoracchia Forest, in sandy desert area 3-117 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "What's wrong?" : Genis +60 * "Stop daydreaming." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-3: Southwest of Tethe'alla Tower of Salvation 3-118 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Being the Chosen is tough, huh?" : Zelos +60 * "I see." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-4: Southwest of Mizuho 3-119 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Okay." : Sheena +60 * "What, to you?" : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-5: East of Tower of Salvation near circle forest 3-120 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Okay." : no change * "Wow!" : Colette +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-6: Small island northeast of Ozette 3-121 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Yeah." : Presea +120 * "Don't be too afraid, though." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-7: North of the Temple of Lightning 3-122 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I see." : no change * "Oh there." : Sheena +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-8: West of the Temple of Lightning 3-123 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Yeah. You're right." : Colette +60 * "Well, duh." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-9: Southwest of Flanoir 3-124 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "...What're you doing?!" : Kratos +60 * "I'll leave him alone." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-10: Southeast of Flanoir, along narrow path 3-125 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Very unlike you to be brooding." : Zelos +60 * "Whatever." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-11: Southeast of Altamira island 3-126 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I don't care." : no change * "Anything's fine." : Genis +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-12: Northeast of Altamira 3-127 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "That's hard to imagine." : Regal +180 * "Hahahaha!" : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-13: South of Ymir House of Guidance 3-128 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Well, it doesn't matter." : no change * "Why?" : Zelos +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-14: Southwest of Latheon Gorge, on grass by mountains 3-129 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Huh? Are you crying?" : Sheena +60 * "Wow...Sheena's crying." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-15: South of Ymir Forest 3-130 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Fine then." : no change * "Why do you try to act tough?" : Raine +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-16: Southwest of Toize Valley Mine 3-131 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Does it matter?" : no change * "...What?!" : Presea +120 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-17: South of Toize Valley Mine, near pier 3-132 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Such a hassle." : no change * "Yeah, you're right." : Regal +180 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-18: East of Toize Valley Mine, east side of continent 3-133 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "Is something wrong?" : Presea +120 * "I'll leave her alone." : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-19: East of Guidepost Monument, hidden in trees 3-134 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "I doubt it." : no change * "Maybe." : Colette +60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skit Point #T-20: Islands in northwest Tethe'alla 3-135 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "No, it's not." : Regal +180 * "Take a compliment for once!" : no change ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cooking: Lloyd cooks a dish using... 3-136 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Beef : Lloyd +1 * Bell Pepper : Colette -1 * Carrot : Genis -1 * Cucumber : Regal -1 * Lemon : Colette +1, Raine +1 * Melon : Colette +1, Zelos +1, Regal -1 * Milk : Genis +1 * Mushroom : Raine -1 * Octopus : Zelos -1 * Rice : Sheena +1 * Snapper : Zelos +1 * Tofu : Regal +1 * Tomato : Lloyd -1, Kratos -1 * Tuna : Kratos +1, Zelos +1 * (Any other fruit not listed above) : Colette +1 (Note: All changes are capped at +/- 1 point per dish per character.) (Note: A character has to be in the party to be affected. It doesn't matter if they're alive or dead, or if they are fighting in battles or sitting on the sidelines. They just have to be there in your menu screen.) =============================================================================== Affection Tallies 4-000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: This section is not a guide for "how to get this character as your soul mate" (though you could use it as such). The primary goal of these lists is to find out the absolute maximum value that each character's affection can be raised to in a SINGLE play through the game (excluding cooking). Therefore, any and all affection gains for that character are taken, even those that result in raising other characters' affection values more than the focus character. * All of these assume you did NOT purchase the "Affection" option from the GRADE Shop. * These lists generally skip optional events that do not boost the character in question. * Mandatory events are listed even if they do not affect the focus character (including optional side quests when necessary for enabling other decisions--for example, doing the Princess Hilda quest in order to unlock the dinner party event). * These lists do not go out of the way to lower other characters' affections (but they generally lower them instead of raising them when the choice is mandatory). * For team selections, the only character that matters is the one you are raising. Thus, each list mostly picks the others according to who has the highest/lowest affection values, to even them out a bit more. * These lists assume that you can fight as the desired character in the Coliseum... * These lists assume that you do not do ANY cooking using Lloyd. With cooking, affection values for most characters can reach any maximum desired, so it is excluded from this listing entirely. * These lists do not include any of the new Chronicles affection decisions so that they remain valid for the GC version as well; however, the PS alterations are included in a separate section, and also in the totals found in the conclusion at the end of this document. All values are taken from the "Affection Values" list above. If you're confused as to what event a particular decision is referring to, just look up the text in the values list. The values are posted here in chronological order (the order that you'd encounter them in the game). When multiple paths are possible (such as "normal path" versus "hard path" early in the game), only one path can be taken, of course, so not all decisions are necessarily listed here. Regarding "normal path" and "hard path" through early game: In terms of affection, this doesn't actually change much, since you get most of the same decisions (just out of order). These are the only affection decisions that change: * You cannot do most of the Kratos training scenes on hard (affects Kratos only). * On hard path there are two decisions with Sophia that you cannot do on normal path (one of which affects everyone). * There is one scene with Sheena (in a House of Salvation) that you cannot get on hard path (affects only Sheena). * You cannot do the Tower of Mana decision on hard path (affects everyone). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colette 4-001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Colette, we go hard path in order to get a single +180 decision that we couldn't get otherwise. * Start of game : Colette +500 * "Okay, fine." : no change * "I'm going too." : Colette +120, Genis +60 * "What did you say?!" : Kratos -60 * First person spoken to : Colette +60 * "But..." : Genis -60 * "...Okay." : Genis -60 * "Sure." : Colette +120 * "Go in." : Colette +60 * "Let's leave him alone." : no change * Talk to Colette first : Colette +60 * "Well...I do feel a bit sorry for her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena +180 * "You've got to be kidding!" : Sheena -60 * "All right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Kratos +180, Sheena +180 * Encounter Sheena : Sheena +180 Tally 1: This will determine if Sheena offers to join in Luin... * Colette : 500+120+60+120+60+60+60+180 = 1160 * Genis : 0+60-60-60+60+120 = 120 * Raine : 0-60 = -60 * Sheena : 0+180-60+180+180 = 480 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 0-60-60+180 = 60 Result 1: End result? She should. She's #2 in affection. We actually want this because we can boost Colette some more with this decision. * "Okay." : Colette +60, Sheena +60 * "All right." : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +120, Kratos +60, Sheena +180 * Infiltration team : Colette +60, Kratos +60 * Deactivation team : Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 * "Yeah, okay." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +60 * "Let's go attack!" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena +180 * "Okay." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Sheena +60 * "I'll go get it." : Colette +120, Genis +60, Raine -120, Kratos -60, Sheena +120 Tally 2: This will determine who we'd get if we failed at the Spiritua Statue mini-quest. * Colette : 1160+60+180+60+60+120+60+120 = 1820 * Genis : 120+180-60+60+120+60+60 = 540 * Raine : -60+120-60+60-120-120 = -180 * Sheena : 480+60+180-60+60+180+60+120 = 1080 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 60+60+60+60-120-60 = 60 Result 2: Yeah, with Colette it's a no-brainer. Though going hard path is raising Sheena quite a bit. * Succeed : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +180, Kratos +180, Sheena +180 * "Well, all right." : Colette +180, Genis -60, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena +120 * "That's all right with me." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +120 * Skip everyone and just talk to Colette : Colette +60 * "I think Genis." : Colette +60, Genis +60 * "All right. That's fine." : Colette +120, Genis -120, Raine +120, Zelos +180, Presea -60 * "Yeah." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 * "How can you say that?!" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Sheena +120, Presea +180 * "Of course." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +180, Regal +180 * "I'm concerned about this." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine +120, Kratos +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 * Person who cooks : Colette +120 * "No, it's just too dangerous." : Colette +120, Genis -180, Raine -120, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +180, Regal -60 * "Of course." : Colette +120, Sheena +120, Zelos +120, Regal +180 * Enter as someone else : Colette +180 * Reactor team : Colette +60, Raine +60, Kratos +120 * "I trust Kratos." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +180, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Keep quiet" : Colette +120, Genis -60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +120 * "Yeah, you're right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos -180, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +180 * Rescue Princess Hilda : Zelos +180 * "Kuchinawa was working with the Pope." : Sheena -180 * First party member spoken to in town : Colette +60 * "Stop him" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +60, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +120 Tally 3: Aaaand this tally will determine who we get at the Flanoir Inn Decision. * Colette : 1820+180+180+120+60+60+120+60+120+60+120+120+120+180+ 60+120+120+180+60+120 = 3980 * Genis : 540+180-60+120+60-120-60+120+60-60-180+120-60+120+120 = 900 * Raine : -180+180-120+120+120+60+60+120-120+60+120+60+120+60 = 660 * Sheena : 1080+180+120+120-60+120+60-60+120+120+60-60+180-180+180 = 1980 * Zelos : 0+180-180+60-180+180+120+60+60+180+180+180 = 840 * Presea : 0-60-60+180+180-60+180+60+60+120+60 = 660 * Regal : 0+60+180+60-60+180+60+120+180+120 = 900 * Kratos : 60+180-120+120+60+180+120+180-180 = 600 Result 3: Colette, Sheena, and Genis are our candidates (with Kratos as automatic fourth). I rather expected Genis to be higher than he is since he agrees with Colette so much, but we did take opportunities to lower him early on. * Person you go outside with : Colette +180 * Pick anyone BUT Kratos : Zelos +180 * "I bet it's (Character)." : Colette +180 * "Sure." : Colette +180 * "Is it (Character)?" : Colette +180 * First party member spoken to while camping : Colette +60 * Get this title : Sheena +180 * "Save her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Just bear it for now, okay?" : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60, Zelos -60, Presea +60, Regal -60 * "Okay." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea -60, Regal -60 * Skit points : Colette +360 (Colette has six circles at +60 a pop) Tally 4: Final end-game tally * Colette : 3980+180+180+180+180+60+60+60+60+360 = 5300 * Genis : 900+60-60-60 = 840 * Raine : 660+120-60-60 = 660 * Sheena : 1980+180+60-60+60 = 2220 * Zelos : 840+180+60-60+60 = 1080 * Presea : 660+60+60-60 = 720 * Regal : 900+60-60-60 = 840 * Kratos : 600+120 = 720 Result 4: Go Colette. Do this play-through twice with the "Affection" option out of the GRADE Shop and she'd have 10,000 affection... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Genis 4-002 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We'll go hard path just to get that one +180 affection decision with Sophia which is larger than the +60 we could otherwise get at the Tower of Mana. * Start of game : Colette +500 * "It's research." : Genis +120 * "I'm going too." : Colette +120, Genis +60 * "What did you say?!" : Kratos -60 * First person spoken to : Genis +60 * "Fine." : Genis +60 * "But..." : Genis +60 * "Just a minute." : no change * Talk to Genis first : Genis +60 * "Let's not wake him." : Genis +60 * "Let's leave him alone." : no change * "It was missing something." : Genis +60 * "Well...I do feel a bit sorry for her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena +180 * "You've got to be kidding!" : Sheena -60 * "Okay, but..." : Genis +180, Raine +180, Kratos +60 * Encounter Sheena : Sheena +180 Tally 1: This will determine if Sheena offers to join in Luin... * Colette : 500+120+60 = 680 * Genis : 0+120+60+60+60+60+60+60+60+60+180 = 780 * Raine : 0-60+180 = 120 * Sheena : 0+180-60+180 = 300 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 0-60-60+60 = -60 Result 1: This result doesn't really matter, but because Raine and Kratos are so low, Sheena's in the top three. At least this will help lower Colette a touch. * "No." : Colette -60, Raine +120, Sheena -60 * "All right." : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +120, Kratos +60, Sheena +180 * Infiltration team : Genis +60, Kratos +60 * Deactivation team : Colette -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 * Get all 3 questions correct : Genis +180 * "Yeah, okay." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +60 * "Let's go attack!" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena +180 * "Okay." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Sheena +60 * "I'll go get it." : Colette +120, Genis +60, Raine -120, Kratos -60, Sheena +120 Tally 2: This will determine who we'd get if we failed at the Spiritua Statue mini-quest. * Colette : 680-60+180-60+60+120+60+120 = 1100 * Genis : 780+180+60+180+60+120+60+60 = 1500 * Raine : 120+120+120-60+60-120-120 = 120 * Sheena : 300-60+180-60+60+180+60+120 = 780 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : -60+60+60+60-120-60 = -60 Result 2: Genis would save Lloyd, but Colette is a close second place right now. * Succeed : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +180, Kratos +180, Sheena +180 * "No." : Colette -60, Genis +120, Raine +180, Kratos +120, Sheena -60 * "That's all right with me." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +120 * First person spoken to : Genis +60 * "I think Genis." : Colette +60, Genis +60 * "No, we can't do that." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -120, Zelos -120, Presea +120 * "Who cares." : Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena +60, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal -60 * "How can you say that?!" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Sheena +120, Presea +180 * "What do you think, guys?" : Genis +120, Raine +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "It won't do us any good to worry about it." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -180, Sheena +60, Zelos +180, Presea +60 * Person who cooks : Genis +120 * "All right, come on." : Colette +60, Genis +180, Raine +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -120, Presea -180, Regal +120 * "If that's all right with Presea." : Genis +120, Raine +120, Presea +180 * Enter as someone else : Genis +180 * Reactor team : Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +120 * "I trust Kratos." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +180, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Tell the truth" : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Sheena +60, Zelos -60, Presea -60, Regal +60 * "I'd better keep tabs on them." : Genis +180 * "Yeah, you're right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos -180, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +180 * Rescue Princess Hilda : Zelos +180 * "Kuchinawa was working with the Pope." : Sheena -180 * First party member spoken to in town : Genis +60 * "Stop him" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +60, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +120 Tally 3: Aaaand this tally will determine who we get at the Flanoir Inn Decision. * Colette : 1100+180-60+120+60+60+60+120+60+60+120+60+180+120 = 2240 * Genis : 1500+180+120+120+60+60+60+120+120+60+120+180+120+180+60+ 120+60+180+120+60+120 = 3720 * Raine : 120+180+180+120-120-60+180-60+180+120+60+120-60+120+60 = 1140 * Sheena : 780+180-60+120+60+120+60-60+60+60+180-180+180 = 1500 * Zelos : 0-120+180+180+180-120+60-60+180+180+180 = 840 * Presea : 0+120+60+180+60+60-180+180+60-60+120+60 = 660 * Regal : 0-60+60+120+60+60+180+120 = 540 * Kratos : -60+180+120+120-60-180+120+180-180 = 240 Result 3: Genis, Colette, and Sheena are our candidates (with Kratos as automatic fourth). Are we surprised Colette is in second place? Not at all. * Person you go outside with : Genis +180 * Pick anyone BUT Kratos : Zelos +180 * "I bet it's (Character)." : Genis +180 * "Sure." : Colette +180 * "Is it (Character)?" : Genis +180 * First party member spoken to while camping : Genis +60 * Get this title : Sheena +180 * "Save her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Should we stop collecting them?" : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +120 * "No way." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * Skit points : Genis +300 (Genis has five circles at +60 a pop) Tally 4: Final end-game tally * Colette : 2240+180+60 = 2480 * Genis : 3720+180+180+180+60+60+60+60 = 4500 * Raine : 1140+120+60+60 = 1380 * Sheena : 1500+180+60-60-60 = 1620 * Zelos : 840+180+60+60 = 1140 * Presea : 660+60+120+60 = 900 * Regal : 540+60+60 = 660 * Kratos : 240+120 = 360 Result 4: Zelos and Genis agree on a remarkable number of decisions, despite the fact that they don't initially get along very well ("I hate this guy already..."). As expected, we were unable to keep Colette very low because she and Genis agree on so many things, but at least Genis still outpaces her by a respectable margin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raine 4-003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We'll go hard path for exactly the same reason as with Genis. * Start of game : Colette +500 * "Okay, fine." : no change * "I'll wait for you." : Genis -60, Raine +60 * "What did you say?!" : Kratos -60 * Skip them all and just step onto the warp panel : no change * "But..." : Genis -60 * "...Okay." : Genis -60 * "Just a minute." : no change * Talk to Raine first : Raine +60 * Talk to Raine again : Raine +60 * "Let's leave him alone." : no change * "Colette is Colette." : Raine +60 * "Leave her alone. She's an enemy." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60 * "You've got to be kidding!" : Sheena -60 * "Okay, but..." : Genis +180, Raine +180, Kratos +60 * Encounter Sheena : Sheena +180 Tally 1: This will determine if Sheena offers to join in Luin... * Colette : 500-60 = 440 * Genis : 0-60-60-60-60+180 = -60 * Raine : 0+60+60+60+60+60+180 = 480 * Sheena : 0-60+180 = 120 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 0-60+60+60 = 60 Result 1: Similar to Colette, we want her to offer to join so that we can rebuff her for the affection boost to Raine. * "No." : Colette -60, Raine +120, Sheena -60 * "All right." : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +120, Kratos +60, Sheena +180 * Infiltration team : Genis +60, Raine +60 * Deactivation team : Colette -60, Kratos -180, Sheena -60 * "Releasing the seals comes first." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +120, Sheena -120 * "Let's return to Palmacosta." : Colette +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena -120 * "That I can't do." : Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +60 * "The problem is the geyser." : Colette +60, Raine +120, Kratos +60 Tally 2: This will determine who we'd get if we failed at the Spiritua Statue mini-quest. * Colette : 440-60+180-60-60+60+60 = 560 * Genis : -60+180+60-60 = 120 * Raine : 480+120+120+60+120+120+60+120 = 1200 * Sheena : 120-60+180-60-120-120+60 = 0 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 60+60-180+120+60+60 = 180 Result 2: You could fail and get Raine by a comfortable margin. We're not going to, though, since Raine gains more by succeeding. * Succeed : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +180, Kratos +180, Sheena +180 * "No." : Colette -60, Genis +120, Raine +180, Kratos +120, Sheena -60 * "That's all right with me." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +120 * First person spoken to : Raine +60 * "I think the Professor." : Colette -60, Raine +60 * "All right. That's fine." : Colette +120, Genis -120, Raine +120, Zelos +180, Presea -60 * "Yeah." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 * "I understand." : Raine +120, Zelos +120, Presea +180, Regal +120 * "What do you think, guys?" : Genis +120, Raine +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "I'm concerned about this." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine +120, Kratos +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 * Person who cooks : Raine +120 * "All right, come on." : Colette +60, Genis +180, Raine +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -120, Presea -180, Regal +120 * "If that's all right with Presea." : Genis +120, Raine +120, Presea +180 * Enter as someone else : Raine +180 * Reactor team : Raine +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60 * "I trust Kratos." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +180, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Keep quiet" : Colette +120, Genis -60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +120 * "Let them do what they want." : Raine +60 * "Yeah, you're right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos -180, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +180 * Learn about Virginia : Raine +180 * Rescue Princess Hilda : Zelos +180 * "Kuchinawa was working with the Pope." : Sheena -180 * First party member spoken to in town : Raine +60 * "Don't stop him" : Colette -120, Genis -60, Raine +180, Sheena +120, Zelos -120, Presea +120, Regal +180 Tally 3: Aaaand this tally will determine who we get at the Flanoir Inn Decision. * Colette : 560+180-60+120-60+120+60+60+60+120+120+180-120 = 1340 * Genis : 120+180+120+120-120-60+120-60+180+120+120-60+120-60 = 840 * Raine : 1200+180+180+120+60+60+120+60+120+180+120+120+180+ 120+180+60+120+60+60+120+180+60+180 = 3840 * Sheena : 0+180-60+120-60-60-60+60-60+180-180+120 = 180 * Zelos : 0+180-180+120+180-180-120+60+60+60+180+180-120 = 420 * Presea : 0-60-60+180+60+60-60-180+180+60+60+120+120 = 480 * Regal : 0+60+120+60+60+120+60+120+180+180 = 960 * Kratos : 180+180+120+120+60+180+180-180 = 840 Result 3: Raine, Colette, and Regal are our candidates (with Kratos as automatic fourth). Since in early game Raine and Kratos agree on so much, I rather expected Kratos to be higher and Colette to be lower, but there it is. Putting Kratos on the deactivation team made a big difference. You could tweak that without affecting Raine at all, but that's not our concern right now. * Person you go outside with : Raine +180 * Pick anyone BUT Kratos : Zelos +180 * "I bet it's (Character)." : Raine +180 * "Sure." : Colette +180 * "Is it (Character)?" : Raine +180 * First party member spoken to while camping : Raine +60 * Get this title : Sheena +180 * "Save her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Should we stop collecting them?" : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +120 * "Yeah." : Raine +60 * "No way." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * Skit points : Raine +300 (Raine has five circles at +60 a pop) Tally 4: Final end-game tally * Colette : 1340+180+60 = 1580 * Genis : 840+60+60+60 = 1020 * Raine : 3840+180+180+180+60+120+60+60+60+300 = 5040 * Sheena : 180+180+60-60-60 = 300 * Zelos : 420+180+60+60 = 720 * Presea : 480+60+120+60 = 720 * Regal : 960+60+60 = 1080 * Kratos : 840+120 = 960 Result 4: Numerically speaking, Lloyd can get Raine to like him more than his best friend Genis. How wrong is that? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kratos 4-004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We gotta go normal path with Kratos because the training sessions are worth more than the Sophia decisions. * Start of game : Colette +500 * "Okay, fine." : no change * "I'll wait for you." : Genis -60, Raine +60 * "...Gotcha." : Kratos +60 * First person spoken to :Kratos +60 * "But..." : Genis -60 * "...Okay." : Genis -60 * "Just a minute." : no change * Talk to Kratos first : Kratos +180 * "Let's follow him." : Kratos +120 * "I guess you're right." : Kratos +120 * "Leave her alone. She's an enemy." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60 * "Please." : Kratos +120 * "Yeah, okay." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60 * "Let's return to Palmacosta." : Colette +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120 * "That I can't do." : Raine +60, Kratos +60 * "The problem is the geyser." : Colette +60, Raine +120, Kratos +60 Tally 1: This will determine who we'd get if we failed at the Spiritua Statue mini-quest. * Colette : 500-60+60+60+60 = 620 * Genis : 0-60-60-60-60+60 = -180 * Raine : 0+60+60+60+120+60+120 = 480 * Sheena : 0 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 0+60+60+180+120+120+60+120+60+120+60+60 = 1020 Result 1: Since we're going normal path and doing this here, Sheena is out of the running. Genis hates our guts, and Kratos would throw himself into the geyser without second thought. (Anyone ever notice he's the only one to use a Guardian while saving Lloyd?) * Succeed : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +180, Kratos +180, Sheena +180 * "Yeah, I'll go." : Kratos +180 * "No." : Colette -60, Genis +120, Raine +180, Kratos +120 * "That's all right with me." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +120 * Encounter Sheena : Sheena +180 Tally 2: This will determine if Sheena offers to join in Luin... * Colette : 620+180-60+120 = 860 * Genis : -180+180+120+120 = 240 * Raine : 480+180+180+120 = 960 * Sheena : 0+180+180 = 360 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 1020+180+180+120+120 = 1620 Result 2: We actually don't care about this result since Kratos's affection is not raised by either decision. But for the record, she won't. * "No!" : Kratos +180 * "Yeah, you're right." : Kratos +180 * Infiltration team : Genis +60, Kratos +60 * Deactivation team : Colette -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 * Person chosen to accompany Lloyd and Colette : Kratos +60 * Three people left behind : Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 * Skit points : Kratos +180 (Kratos has three circles in Sylvarant at +60 a pop) * First person spoken to : Kratos +60 * "Please." : Kratos +180 * "I think Sheena." : Colette -120, Sheena +120 * "No, we can't do that." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -120, Zelos -120, Presea +120 * "Yeah." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 * "I understand." : Raine +120, Zelos +120, Presea +180, Regal +120 * "What do you think, guys?" : Genis +120, Raine +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "I'm concerned about this." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine +120, Kratos +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 * Person who cooks : Genis +120 * "No, it's just too dangerous." : Colette +120, Genis -180, Raine -120, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +180, Regal -60 * "If that's all right with Presea." : Genis +120, Raine +120, Presea +180 * Enter as Lloyd : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +180, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * Reactor team : Genis +60, Kratos +120, Zelos +60 * "I trust Kratos." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +180, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "We can't just ignore it." : Colette +60, Genis -120, Raine +60, Kratos +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 * Skit points : Kratos +60 (Kratos has one circle in Tethe'alla) * Rescue Princess Hilda : Zelos +180 Tally 3: Aaaand this tally will determine who we get at the Flanoir Inn Decision. * Colette : 860-60-120+60+60+60+120+60+120+60 = 1220 * Genis : 240+60-60+60-60+120-60+120-180+120+60+60+120-120 = 480 * Raine : 960-60-60-120+60+120+180+120-120+120+60+120+60 = 1440 * Sheena : 360-60-60+120-60-60+120+60+60-60 = 420 * Zelos : 0-120-180+120+180-180+180+60+60+60-180+180 = 180 * Presea : 0+120-60+180+60-60+180+180+60+60-60 = 660 * Regal : 0+60+120+60+60-60+60+60+60 = 420 * Kratos : 1620+180+180+60+60+180+60+180+60+180+180+120+180+180+60 = 3480 Result 3: Kratos, Raine, Colette, and Presea are our candidates. It doesn't really matter since you can pick Kratos regardless, but still, nice to see him come right away. These numbers can really be shuffled around a lot without affecting Kratos himself since there are a lot of decisions that don't impact Kratos. * Person you go outside with : Kratos +180 * Pick Kratos : Zelos -180 * "I wonder who it is." : Kratos +180 * "Sure." : Colette +180 * "Is it (Character)?" : Kratos +180 * "Save her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Kuchinawa was working with the Pope." : Sheena -180 * First party member spoken to in town : Kratos +60 * Lose to Kuchinawa : Sheena -180 * "Okay." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine -60, Kratos +60, Sheena +60, Presea -60, Regal -60 * Examine the plaque : Kratos +60 Tally 4: Final end-game tally * Colette : 1220+180+60+60 = 1520 * Genis : 480+60-60 = 480 * Raine : 1440+120-60 = 1500 * Sheena : 420+60-180-180+60 = 180 * Zelos : 180-180+60 = 60 * Presea : 660+60-60 = 660 * Regal : 420+60-60 = 420 * Kratos : 3480+180+180+180+120+60+60+60 = 4320 Result 4: Kratos is an interesting exercise because he's not even in the party for half the game. You cannot skip all of his skit points and wait to do them just before Flanoir as with the other characters. On the other hand, it's not necessary to raise affection with Kratos just to pick him at Flanoir (at least in the GC version), so this hardly matters. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sheena 4-005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're going hard path for Sheena in order to get her in the party as soon as possible so that she will be affected by decisions made during the Palmacosta Ranch sequence (the Sophia decisions help too). * Start of game : Colette +500 * "Okay, fine." : no change * "I'll wait for you." : Genis -60, Raine +60 * "What did you say?!" : Kratos -60 * Skip them all and just step onto the warp panel : no change * "But..." : Genis -60 * "...Okay." : Genis -60 * "Just a minute." : no change * Talk to Kratos first : Kratos +180 * "Let's leave him alone." : no change * "It tasted pretty good." : Genis -60 * "Well...I do feel a bit sorry for her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena +180 * "Yes." : Sheena +60 * "All right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Kratos +180, Sheena +180 * "You're kind of cute." : Colette -60, Sheena +180 * Encounter Sheena : Sheena +180 Tally 1: This will determine if Sheena offers to join in Luin... * Colette : 500+60+180-60 = 680 * Genis : 0-60-60-60-60+60+120 = -60 * Raine : 0+60-60 = 0 * Sheena : 0+180+60+180+180+180 = 780 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 0-60+180-60+180 = 240 Result 1: Pretty much a foregone conclusion since we're raising Sheena, but just to make it official: Yes, she should. * "Okay." : Colette +60, Sheena +60 * "All right." : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +120, Kratos +60, Sheena +180 * Infiltration team : Raine +60, Sheena +60 * Deactivation team : Colette -60, Genis -60, Kratos -180 * "Yeah, okay." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +60 * "Let's go attack!" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena +180 * "That I can't do." : Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +60 * "I'll go get it." : Colette +120, Genis +60, Raine -120, Kratos -60, Sheena +120 Tally 2: This will determine who we'd get if we failed at the Spiritua Statue mini-quest. * Colette : 680+60+180-60+60+120+120 = 1160 * Genis : -60+180-60+60+120+60 = 300 * Raine : 0+120+60+60-120+60-120 = 60 * Sheena : 780+60+180+60+60+180+60+120 = 1500 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 240+60-180+60-120+60-60 = 60 Result 2: Sheena, although Colette is a close running second. * Succeed : Colette +180, Genis +180, Raine +180, Kratos +180, Sheena +180 * "Well, all right." : Colette +180, Genis -60, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena +120 * "That's all right with me." : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +120 * First person spoken to : Sheena +60 * "I think Sheena." : Colette -120, Sheena +120 * "No, we can't do that." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -120, Zelos -120, Presea +120 * "Who cares." : Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena +60, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal -60 * "How can you say that?!" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Sheena +120, Presea +180 * "Of course." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +180, Regal +180 * "It won't do us any good to worry about it." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -180, Sheena +60, Zelos +180, Presea +60 * Person who cooks : Sheena +120 * "No, it's just too dangerous." : Colette +120, Genis -180, Raine -120, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +180, Regal -60 * "Of course." : Colette +120, Sheena +120, Zelos +120, Regal +180 * Enter as someone else : Sheena +180 * Reactor team : Raine +60, Kratos +120, Regal +60 * "There is a possibility." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +120 * "Tell the truth" : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Sheena +60, Zelos -60, Presea -60, Regal +60 * "Yeah, you're right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos -180, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +180 * Rescue Princess Hilda : Zelos +180 * "I don't know anything about it." : Sheena +180 * Skip them all and just talk to Orochi : no change * "Stop him" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +60, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +120 Tally 3: Aaaand this tally will determine who we get at the Flanoir Inn Decision. * Colette : 1160+180+180+120-120+60+120+60+120+120+60+60+180+120 = 2420 * Genis : 300+180-60+120+60+60+120+60+60-180+60+60+120+120 = 1080 * Raine : 60+180-120+120-120-60+60-60-120+60+60-60+120+60 = 180 * Sheena : 1500+180+120+120+60+120+60+120+60+60+120+120+120+ 180+120+60+180+180+180 = 3660 * Zelos : 0-120+180+60+180+180+120+180-60+180+180+180 = 1260 * Presea : 0+120+60+180+180+60+180+120-60+120+60 = 1020 * Regal : 0-60+180-60+180+60+120+60+180+120 = 780 * Kratos : 60+180-120+120-60-180+120+60-180 = 0 Result 3: Sheena, Colette, and Zelos are our candidates (with Kratos as automatic fourth). Whew, it's hard to shake Colette off when going for Sheena. Kratos and Raine are lower than I expected, even lower than with Colette's run through. Kind of funny and ironic that Zelos is in third place. * Person you go outside with : Sheena +180 * Pick anyone BUT Kratos : Zelos +180 * "I bet it's (Character)." : Sheena +180 * "Sure." : Colette +180 * "Is it (Character)?" : Sheena +180 * First party member spoken to while camping : Raine +60 * Get this title : Sheena +180 * "Save her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Okay." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea -60, Regal -60 * Skit points : Sheena +300 (Sheena has five circles at +60 a pop) Tally 4: Final end-game tally * Colette : 2420+180+60+60 = 2720 * Genis : 1080+60-60 = 1080 * Raine : 180+60+120-60 = 300 * Sheena : 3660+180+180+180+180+60+60+300 = 4800 * Zelos : 1260+180+60+60 = 1560 * Presea : 1020+60-60 = 1020 * Regal : 780+60-60 = 780 * Kratos : 0+120 = 120 Result 4: Somewhat surprising results to me at first. Sheena and Colette clearly agree on a lot, but Sheena gets up there in the end. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zelos 4-006 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Early game we just focus on keeping everyone else low and as even as possible. Late game is the only part where we'll be able to go full-bore. Notice that this skips the Spiritua Statue entirely; if you were going to do this as a real play and wanted the statue for, say, getting the Golden Armor, the best thing to do is deliberately fail at the mini-game, as that only raises one person (and less than succeeding) and lowers everyone else, rather than taking a large hit on everybody. For best results, hold off on the Spiritua Statue until you can get Kratos to save you, because you'll have plenty of opportunities to lower him later. * Start of game : Colette +500 * "Okay, fine." : no change * "I'll wait for you." : Genis -60, Raine +60 * "...Gotcha." : Kratos +60 * Skip them all and just step onto the warp panel : no change * "Fine." : Genis +60 * "But..." : Genis +60 * "Just a minute." : no change * Talk to Genis first : Genis +60 * "Let's leave him alone." : no change * "It was missing something." : Genis +60 * "Leave her alone. She's an enemy." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60 * "Yeah, okay." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60 * "Let's return to Palmacosta." : Colette +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120 * "That I can't do." : Raine +60, Kratos +60 * Encounter Sheena : Sheena +180 Tally 1: This will determine if Sheena offers to join in Luin... * Colette : 500-60+60+60 = 560 * Genis : 0-60+60+60+60+60-60+60 = 180 * Raine : 0+60+60+60+120+60 = 360 * Sheena : 0+180 = 180 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 0+60+60+60+120+60 = 360 Result 1: We actually don't want Sheena to offer to join, as that would force us to make a decision that would gain with either Colette or Raine, both of whom we are avoiding gains with as much as possible. * "No!" : Kratos +180 * Infiltration team : Genis +60, Kratos +60 * Deactivation team : Colette -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 * Person chosen to accompany Lloyd and Colette : Kratos +60 * Three people left behind : Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 * First person spoken to : Sheena +60 * "I think Sheena." : Colette -120, Sheena +120 Tally 2: This just shows what we're looking like before we go into Tethe'alla. * Colette : 560-60-120 = 380 * Genis : 180+60-60 = 180 * Raine : 360-60-60 = 240 * Sheena : 180-60-60+60+120 = 240 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 360+180+60+60 = 660 Result 2: Kratos is our soul mate at the moment. It won't matter. *evil grin* Colette is remarkably low right now. She won't stay that low... * "All right. That's fine." : Colette +120, Genis -120, Raine +120, Zelos +180, Presea -60 * "Who cares." : Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena +60, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal -60 * "I understand." : Raine +120, Zelos +120, Presea +180, Regal +120 * "What do you think, guys?" : Genis +120, Raine +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "It won't do us any good to worry about it." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -180, Sheena +60, Zelos +180, Presea +60 * Person who cooks : Zelos +120 * "No, it's just too dangerous." : Colette +120, Genis -180, Raine -120, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +180, Regal -60 * "Of course." : Colette +120, Sheena +120, Zelos +120, Regal +180 * Enter as someone else : Zelos +180 * "No." : Colette -60, Genis +120, Raine +180, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +120, Regal -120 * Reactor team : Genis +60, Zelos +60, Regal +60 * "There is a possibility." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +120 * "Keep quiet" : Colette +120, Genis -60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +120 * "Yeah, you're right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos -180, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +180 * Rescue Princess Hilda : Zelos +180 * Help the lost boy : Zelos +180 * "Kuchinawa was working with the Pope." : Sheena -180 * First party member spoken to in town : Zelos +60 * "Stop him" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Raine +60, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +120 Tally 3: Aaaand this tally will determine who we get at the Flanoir Inn Decision. * Colette : 380+120+60+120+120-60+60+120+180+120 = 1220 * Genis : 180-120+60+120+60-180+120+60+60-60+120+120 = 540 * Raine : 240+120-60+120+180-60-120+180+60+60+120+60 = 900 * Sheena : 240+60+60+120+120-60+120-60+180-180+180 = 780 * Zelos : 0+180+180+120+180+180+120+180+120+180+60+60+ 180+60+180+180+180+60+180 = 2580 * Presea : 0-60+60+180+60+60+180+120+120+60+120+60 = 960 * Regal : 0-60+120+60-60+180-120+60+120+120+180+120 = 720 * Kratos : 660-60-180+60-180 = 300 Result 3: Zelos, Colette, and Presea are our candidates (with Kratos as automatic fourth...you know, just in case you feel like killing off Zelos and having his ghost haunt Lloyd). What did I tell you about Colette? * Person you go outside with : Zelos +180 * Pick anyone BUT Kratos : Zelos +180 * "I bet it's (Character)." : Zelos +180 * "Sure." : Colette +180 * "Is it (Character)?" : Zelos +180 * First party member spoken to while camping : Zelos +60 * Get this title : Sheena +180 * "Save her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Should we stop collecting them?" : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +120 * "Okay." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea -60, Regal -60 * Skit points : Zelos +300 (Zelos has five circles at +60 a pop) Tally 4: Final end-game tally * Colette : 1220+180+60+60 = 1520 * Genis : 540+60+60-60 = 600 * Raine : 900+120+60-60 = 1020 * Sheena : 780+180+60-60+60 = 1020 * Zelos : 2580+180+180+180+180+60+60+60+60+300 = 3840 * Presea : 960+60+120-60 = 1080 * Regal : 720+60-60 = 720 * Kratos : 300+120 = 420 Result 4: Most everyone likes us quite a bit, except for Kratos...and Zelos is struggling to reach Colette's levels pre-Flanoir. Given all the +180 boosts he's got, I expected him to be higher. Oh well, it's enough. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Presea 4-007 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Presea we'll just duplicate Zelos's early game path, since the exact choices made there are of little significance. For that reason, I'm going to skip ahead to the Tethe'alla decisions. * "No, we can't do that." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -120, Zelos -120, Presea +120 * "Who cares." : Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena +60, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal -60 * "I understand." : Raine +120, Zelos +120, Presea +180, Regal +120 * "Of course." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +180, Regal +180 * "It won't do us any good to worry about it." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -60, Kratos -180, Sheena +60, Zelos +180, Presea +60 * Person who cooks : Presea +120 * "No, it's just too dangerous." : Colette +120, Genis -180, Raine -120, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +180, Regal -60 * "If that's all right with Presea." : Genis +120, Raine +120, Presea +180 * Enter as someone else : Presea +180 * Reactor team : Genis +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "There is a possibility." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +120 * "Keep quiet" : Colette +120, Genis -60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +120 * Learn about Exspheres : Presea +180 * "Yeah, you're right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos -180, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +180 * "Is something wrong?" : Presea +120 * "Do you really want to leave it like that?" : Presea +120 * "Presea..." : Presea +240 * Rescue Princess Hilda : Zelos +180 * "Kuchinawa was working with the Pope." : Sheena -180 * First party member spoken to in town : Presea +60 * "Don't stop him" : Colette -120, Genis -60, Raine +180, Sheena +120, Zelos -120, Presea +120, Regal +180 Tally 1: This shows the Flanoir Inn Decision lineup. Remember, we're starting from Tally 2 under Zelos. * Colette : 380+60+60+120+60+120+180-120 = 860 * Genis : 180+60+60+60+60-180+120+60+60-60+120-60 = 480 * Raine : 240-120-60+120+60-60-120+120+60+60+120+180 = 600 * Sheena : 240+60+60+60+120+120-60+180-180+120 = 720 * Zelos : 0-120+180+120+60+180+180+180+60+180+180-120 = 1080 * Presea : 0+120+60+180+180+60+120+180+180+180+60+120+ 60+180+120+120+120+240+60+120 = 2460 * Regal : 0-60+120+180-60+60+120+120+180+180 = 840 * Kratos : 660-60-180+60-180 = 300 Result 1: Presea, Zelos, and Colette are our candidates (with Kratos as automatic fourth). What can we say--Zelos likes when you're nice to the girls. * Person you go outside with : Presea +180 * Pick anyone BUT Kratos : Zelos +180 * "I bet it's (Character)." : Presea +180 * "Sure." : Colette +180 * "Is it (Character)?" : Presea +180 * First party member spoken to while camping : Presea +60 * Get this title : Sheena +180 * "Save her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "Should we stop collecting them?" : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +120 * "No way." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * Skit points : Presea +600 (Presea has five circles at +120 a pop) Tally 2: Final end-game tally * Colette : 860+180+60 = 1100 * Genis : 480+60+60+60 = 660 * Raine : 600+120+60+60 = 840 * Sheena : 720+180+60-60-60 = 840 * Zelos : 1080+180+60+60 = 1380 * Presea : 2460+180+180+180+60+60+120+60+600 = 3900 * Regal : 840+60+60 = 960 * Kratos : 300+120 = 420 Result 2: Now we see why her skit points are worth so much. She barely tops Zelos's maximum. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regal 4-008 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As with Presea, we're starting from Zelos's early game and jumping straight to Tethe'alla. * "No, we can't do that." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -120, Zelos -120, Presea +120 * "Yeah." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 * "I understand." : Raine +120, Zelos +120, Presea +180, Regal +120 * "Of course." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +180, Regal +180 * "I'm concerned about this." : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine +120, Kratos +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -180, Presea -60, Regal +60 * Person who cooks : Regal +120 * "All right, come on." : Colette +60, Genis +180, Raine +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -120, Presea -180, Regal +120 * "Of course." : Colette +120, Sheena +120, Zelos +120, Regal +180 * Enter as someone else : Regal +180 * Candy asks questions about Regal : Regal +600 * Reactor team : Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "There is a possibility." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +120 * "Keep quiet" : Colette +120, Genis -60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +120 * "Yeah, you're right." : Colette +180, Genis +120, Raine +120, Kratos -180, Sheena +180, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +180 * Rescue Princess Hilda : Zelos +180 * "Kuchinawa was working with the Pope." : Sheena -180 * First party member spoken to in town : Regal +60 * "Don't stop him" : Colette -120, Genis -60, Raine +180, Sheena +120, Zelos -120, Presea +120, Regal +180 Tally 1: This shows the Flanoir Inn Decision lineup. Remember, we're starting from Tally 2 under Zelos. * Colette : 380+60+60+60+60+120+60+120+180-120 = 980 * Genis : 180+60-60+60-60+180+60-60+120-60 = 420 * Raine : 240-120+60+120+60+120+180+60+60+120+180 = 1320 * Sheena : 240-60+60-60-60+120+120-60+180-180+120 = 420 * Zelos : 0-120-180+120+60-180-120+120+60+180+60+180+180-120 = 240 * Presea : 0+120-60+180+180-60-180+60+120+60+120+120 = 660 * Regal : 0+60+120+180+60+120+120+180+180+600+60+120+120+180+60+180 = 2340 * Kratos : 660+60+180+60-180 = 780 Result 1: Regal, Raine, Colette, and Kratos are our candidates. Kratos is actually in fourth place, though even if he wasn't, he'd still be your automatic fourth. * Person you go outside with : Regal +180 * Pick anyone BUT Kratos : Zelos +180 * "I bet it's (Character)." : Regal +180 * "Sure." : Colette +180 * "Is it (Character)?" : Regal +180 * First party member spoken to while camping : Regal +60 * Get this title : Sheena +180 * "Save her." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * "No way." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena -60, Presea +60, Regal +60 * Get this title : Regal +180 * "You bet." : Regal +180 * Talk to Levin : Regal +180 * Skit points : Regal +900 (Regal has five circles at +180 a pop) Tally 2: Final end-game tally * Colette : 980+180+60 = 1220 * Genis : 420+60+60 = 540 * Raine : 1320+120+60 = 1500 * Sheena : 420+180+60-60 = 600 * Zelos : 240+180+60 = 480 * Presea : 660+60+60 = 780 * Regal : 2340+180+180+180+60+60+60+180+180+180+900 = 4500 * Kratos : 780+120 = 900 Result 2: As with Presea, Regal needed an extra boost with his skit points, but his are rather overkill. Just doing his skit points and the Candy quiz alone are worth 1500 points... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOT Colette 4-009 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And finally, just for fun... A test to see how LOW one can make Colette on a single play through the game, without purchasing the "Affection" option from the GRADE Shop, and without using cooking. We're here to find out: Is it even possible to bump her down to "hopeless" (at the fortune teller)? For this, we'll take any decision that lowers Colette, regardless of who else gains. We don't care who is on top, we're just trying to bump off Colette as much as possible. Note: We're taking normal path because there is no difference between the two paths for our purposes. We're also skipping the Spiritua Statue altogether since the best you can do there is a +60-60 which cancel each other out. And we're skipping all of the materials gathering side-quests since they don't do anything to lower Colette at all. * Start of game : Colette +500 * "Okay, fine." : no change * "I'll wait for you." : Genis -60, Raine +60 * "What did you say?!" : Kratos -60 * Skip them all and just step onto the warp panel : no change * "But..." : Genis -60 * "...Okay." : Genis -60 * "Just a minute." : no change * Talk to Genis first : Genis +60 * "Let's leave him alone." : no change * "It was missing something." : Genis +60 * "Leave her alone. She's an enemy." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60 * "Releasing the seals comes first." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +120 * "Let's return to Palmacosta." : Colette +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120 * "That I can't do." : Raine +60, Kratos +60 * "No." : Colette -60, Genis +120, Raine +180, Kratos +120 * "You're kind of cute." : Colette -60, Sheena +180 * Encounter Sheena : Sheena +180 Tally 1: This will determine if Sheena offers to join in Luin... * Colette : 500-60-60+60-60-60 = 320 * Genis : 0-60-60-60+60+60-60-60+120 = -60 * Raine : 0+60+60+120+120+60+180 = 600 * Sheena : 0+180+180 = 360 * Zelos : 0 * Presea : 0 * Regal : 0 * Kratos : 0-60+60+120+60+120 = 300 Result 1: She should, and we need this result, because we need to be able to brush off Sheena in order to further lower Colette. * "No." : Colette -60, Raine +120, Sheena -60 * "No!" : Kratos +180 * Infiltration team : Kratos +60, Genis +60 * Deactivation team : Colette -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 * Person chosen to accompany Lloyd and Colette : Genis +60 * Three people left behind : Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena -60 * "I can't do that." : Colette -120, Genis -120, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena -120 * First person spoken to : Genis +60 * "I think Sheena." : Colette -120, Sheena +120 * "No, we can't do that." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -120, Zelos -120, Presea +120 * "Of course." : Genis +60, Raine +60, Sheena +60, Zelos +60, Presea +180, Regal +180 * Person who cooks : Regal +120 * "All right, come on." : Colette +60, Genis +180, Raine +180, Sheena -60, Zelos -120, Presea -180, Regal +120 * "If that's all right with Presea." : Genis +120, Raine +120, Presea +180 * Enter as someone else : Zelos +180 * Reactor team : Genis +60, Zelos +60, Presea +60 * "There is a possibility." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +120 * "Kuchinawa was working with the Pope." : Sheena -180 * Skip them all and just talk to Orochi : no change * "Don't stop him" : Colette -120, Genis -60, Raine +180, Sheena +120, Zelos -120, Presea +120, Regal +180 Tally 2: This tally will determine who we get at the Flanoir Inn Decision. * Colette : 320-60-60-120-120+60+60+60-120 = 20 * Genis : -60+60+60-120+60+60+60+180+120+60+60-60 = 480 * Raine : 600+120-60-60-120-120+60+180+120+60+180 = 960 * Sheena : 360-60-60-60-120+120+60-60+120-180+120 = 240 * Zelos : 0-120+60-120+60+180+180-120 = 120 * Presea : 0+120+180-180+180+60+120+120 = 600 * Regal : 0+180+120+120+120+180 = 720 * Kratos : 300+180+60-60-120+60 = 420 Result 2: Raine, Regal, and Presea are our candidates (with Kratos as automatic fourth). These numbers can be shuffled around quite a bit; this is just one example result. If we got Colette higher, we could nail her with a -180 for rejecting her at Flanoir, but that's rather counterproductive. * Person you go outside with : Raine +180 * Pick anyone BUT Kratos : Zelos +180 * "That sounds like a pain...." : Colette -60 * "Leave her alone." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine -120, Kratos -120, Sheena -60, Zelos -60, Presea -60, Regal -60 Tally 4: Final end-game tally * Colette : 20-60-60 = -100 * Genis : 480-60 = 420 * Raine : 960+180-120 = 1020 * Sheena : 240-60 = 180 * Zelos : 120+180-60 = 240 * Presea : 600-60 = 540 * Regal : 720-60 = 660 * Kratos : 420-120 = 300 Result 4: It's amusing that reducing Colette to "hopeless" range has the basic effect of reducing everyone else as well. I guess it says something when this is pretty much the only tally where Colette was not in the top three at Flanoir. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Even Affection Save 4-010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just as a bonus, this is a variation of the "even affection save" that I used for many testing purposes. The goal of this play is to keep everyone within 300 points of each other. Why? Because that way, keep this save right before Flanoir and you can load it up and get any character's Flanoir scene at any time by simply flying around doing skit points before entering Flanoir. For the record, this goes normal path. You should be able to follow the decisions from there. Optional events are generally avoided, unless they are required for doing other things in the game, or unless I needed them for evening out affection scores. Remember to get the Spiritua Statue only after you have Raine on top (do the Palmacosta Ranch first). Note: For those playing on the PlayStation, I modified my original selections in order to put Kratos into the initial Flanoir line-up since you cannot do his skit points at that time in the game, and this way he is always available in the Inn Decision. In order to compensate for changes made in Chronicles, I've added a couple of decisions marked "(PS)"; do these only if you are playing a remake. Note that the tallies do not include these PS decisions, except for the final one. * Start of game : Colette +500 * "Okay, fine." : no change * "I'll wait for you." : Genis -60, Raine +60 * "What did you say?!" : Kratos -60 * First person spoken to : Genis +60 * "Fine" : Genis +60 * "But..." : Genis +60 * "Just a minute." : no change * Talk to Genis first : Genis +60 * "Let's not wake him." : Genis +60 * "Let's follow him." : Kratos +120 * "It was missing something." : Genis +60 * "Leave her alone. She's an enemy." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60 * "Okay." : no change * "Please." : Kratos +120 (PS) * Get all 3 questions correct : Genis +180 (PS) * "Speak to her." : no change * "Releasing the seals comes first." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +120 * "Let's return to Palmacosta." : Colette +60, Raine +120, Kratos +120 * "That I can't do." : Raine +60, Kratos +60 * "The problem is the geyser." : Colette +60, Raine +120, Kratos +60 Tally 1: This will determine who saves us when retrieving the Spiritua Statue. * Colette : 500-60-60+60+60 = 500 * Genis : 0-60+60+60+60+60+60+60-60-60 = 180 * Raine : 0+60+60+120+120+60+120 = 540 * Sheena : 0 * Kratos : 0-60+120+60+120+60+60 = 360 Result 1: Raine it is. Normally it would be wiser to simply skip the Spiritua Statue altogether and avoid these decisions; however, just in case players wished to be able to get the Golden Armor at the end of the game, I'm including it. * Fail (Raine) : Colette -60, Genis -120, Raine +120, Sheena -60 * "You're actually pretty nice." : Raine -60, Sheena +120 * Encounter Sheena : Sheena +180 Tally 2: This determines if Sheena offers to join in Luin. * Colette : 500-60 = 440 * Genis : 180-120 = 60 * Raine : 540+120-60 = 600 * Sheena : 0-60+120+180 = 240 * Kratos : 360 Result 2: Doesn't look like it, since Raine and Kratos are so high and we didn't bump Colette off enough (if even that's possible). Just make sure to visit Luin before its destruction so that you can find Sheena at the fountain. Also note that the second "No" option below is the Fake Chosen event in Asgard; I needed it for the affection adjustment, so make sure to do it after getting Sheena in the party but before releasing the fourth seal (Colette has to be able to talk). * "No!" : Kratos +180 * Infiltration team : Genis +60, Kratos +60 * Deactivation team : Colette -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 * "No." : Colette -60, Genis +120, Raine +180, Kratos +120, Sheena -60 * Person chosen to accompany Lloyd and Colette : Genis +60 * Three people left behind : Raine -60, Kratos -60, Sheena -60 * First person spoken to : Genis +60 * "I think Sheena." : Colette -120, Sheena +120 Tally 3: This is just prior to entering Tethe'alla. * Colette : 440-60-60-120 = 200 * Genis : 60+60+60+120+60 = 360 * Raine : 600-60-60+180 = 660 * Sheena : 240-60-60-60+120 = 180 * Kratos : 360+180+60-60+120 = 660 Result 3: Right now we need to knock Raine down a bit. For the most part Kratos ceases to be an issue once we enter Tethe'alla because we are skipping the materials-gathering scenes. (I thought of evening out the affection effects by alternating between favoring Kratos and favoring Zelos, but Colette gains either way so it doesn't work.) * "No, we can't do that." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine -120, Zelos -120, Presea +120 * "How can you say that?!" : Colette +120, Genis +120, Sheena +120, Presea +180 * "What do you think, guys?" : Genis +120, Raine +180, Zelos +180, Presea +60, Regal +60 * Person who cooks : Regal +120 * "No, it's just too dangerous." : Colette +120, Genis -180, Raine -120, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +180, Regal -60 * "Of course." : Colette +120, Sheena +120, Zelos +120, Regal +180 * Enter as someone else : Zelos +180 * Reactor team : Genis +60, Presea +60, Regal +60 Note: This is admittedly a less-than-ideal party to fight Forcystus with. Unfortunately, you can't add in either Raine or Kratos, as that would boost them too high. (On the PS versions, Colette is safe to use.) You can substitute Zelos if you don't mind having to do more skit points later on to catch other people up. Tally 4: This is right before the Dirk's House scene on the terrace. * Colette : 200+60+120+120+120 = 620 * Genis : 360+60+120+120-180+60 = 540 * Raine : 660-120+180-120 = 600 * Sheena : 180+120+120+120 = 540 * Zelos : 0-120+180+180+120+180 = 540 * Presea : 0+120+180+60+180+60 = 600 * Regal : 0+60+120-60+180+60 = 360 * Kratos : 660 Result 4: You get Kratos's extended dialogue by default. Do skit points before making the pact with Luna to get someone else (but be aware that you will, of course, mess up the even affection save for later). * "What? Tell me." : Zelos +120 (PS) * "There is a possibility." : Colette +60, Genis +60, Raine +60, Kratos +60, Sheena +120, Zelos +180, Presea +120, Regal +120 Tally 5: Even affection save, final. You can do some sub-quests still, but this is otherwise covers all affection decisions before the Flanoir Inn Decision. The "need" value shows the minimum number of skit points to get that character in the line-up. (Note that Kratos's Tethe'alla skit point is no longer available if you wait too long, and you cannot do his Sylvarant ones right now either.) GC PS * Colette : 620 +60 = 680 (need 0) 740 (need 1) * Genis : 540 +60 = 600 (need 2) 720 (need 1) * Raine : 600 +60 = 660 (need 1) 780 (need 0) * Sheena : 540+120 = 660 (need 1) 720 (need 2) * Zelos : 540+180 = 720 (need 0) 840 (need 0) * Presea : 600+120 = 720 (need 0) 720 (need 1) * Regal : 360+120 = 480 (need 2) 480 (do the Candy quiz) * Kratos : 660 +60 = 720 840 Result 5: If you simply went to Flanoir now, you'd actually get Zelos on top, followed by Presea, Kratos, and Colette on the GC, or by Kratos and Raine on the PS. But a few skit points beforehand will fix you up with anyone you like. Notice that this also gets you the extra scene with Zelos at Altessa's House. If for some reason you don't want this scene, just do some skit points for anybody but Zelos before entering the Tower of Salvation to get the Mana Fragment. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Changes in Chronicles 4-011 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since the character tallies above did not include PS changes, they are all grouped together and tallied up here. This lists only Chronicles changes, and only those decisions that have the maximum positive effect on characters. They are in roughly chronological order. Unlike the above tallies, however, this one lists all relevant decisions, even ones that are normally mutually-exclusive. * "Leave her alone. She's an enemy." : Colette -60, Genis -60, Raine +60, Kratos +60 (+120 on PS) * "The problem is the geyser." : Colette +60, Raine +120 (+180 on PS), Kratos +60 * Infiltration team : (Character) +60 (on GC) * "Just bear it for now, okay?" : Colette +60, Genis -60, Raine -60, Sheena -60 (+60 on PS), Zelos -60, Presea +60, Regal -60 * "Join him in prayer." : Presea +180, Regal +180 * "Me, too!" : Colette +60, Regal +180 * "I dunno, coffee's pretty great." : Raine +180, Kratos +60 * "Then I pick Colette!" : Colette +120 * "Then I pick Regal!" : Regal +180 * "Then I pick (Character)!" : (Character) +60 * Encounter Fake Chosen group : Colette +180, Genis -60 * "What? Tell me." : Zelos +120 * Defeat Seles : Zelos +180 * (Pick an honorary mayor) : (Character) +60 * "You bet." : Regal +180 (on GC) Tally: This tally starts with the final GC tally for each character (from the above sections) and then, for each change, lists the difference between the GC gain (if any) and the new PS gain (if any). Gains from the GC that are missing in the PS are listed here as losses. Thus, this shows the potential maximums for each character for the PS versions of the game. * Colette : 5300-60+60+120+180+60 = 5660 * Genis : 4500-60+60+60 = 4560 * Raine : 5040+60-60+180+60+60 = 5340 * Sheena : 4800-60+60+60+60 = 4920 * Zelos : 3840+60+120+180+60 = 4260 * Presea : 3900+180+60+60 = 4200 * Regal : 4500+180+180+180+60-180 = 4920 * Kratos : 4320+60-60+60+60+60 = 4500 Result: The PS versions made relatively few changes. Zelos is one of the characters that gained the most in terms of new affection boosts, including one scene that is featured in both the manga and the anime. Curiously, the other big winner is Regal--a character who really didn't need any particular boost-- putting him close to Raine in the original game. I'm a bit surprised that the teacup decision affects so few people; it would have been amusing to discover all of the party members' preferences for tea versus coffee. It also strikes me a little odd that they removed the Asgard Ranch decision; that actually knocks down the maximum potentials of the first five characters by 60 points. Perhaps they didn't want the player to feel obligated to handicap himself just for affection purposes...yet they left all of the other team selection impacts in. So in the end, the changes made in Chronicles seem rather arbitrary. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Overall Results 4-012 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a summary of the maximum values determined above. GC PS * Colette : 5300 5660 (+360) * Genis : 4500 4560 (+60) * Raine : 5040 5340 (+300) * Kratos : 4320 4500 (+180) * Sheena : 4800 4920 (+120) * Zelos : 3840 4260 (+420) * Presea : 3900 4200 (+300) * Regal : 4500 4920 (+420) Conclusions: Colette kicks tail...but not by quite as much as one might at first expect. Plus, if you factor in the fact that her 500 point advantage does not get carried over when you select the "Affection" option at the GRADE Shop, she can actually only gain a maximum of 4800 per play in the original game--which is less than Raine and equal to Sheena. By sheer numbers Zelos is officially the hardest character to raise (Presea just barely edges him out on the PS versions), though in practical game play the difference is not that significant, as it really doesn't matter if a character has 2500 affection or 3800 affection, as long as he's higher than everyone else. =============================================================================== Credits and Version Information 5-000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have to credit Namco themselves for sparking in me the desire to pick apart the affection system. If it hadn't been for that mention about cooking, none of this document would exist. Special thanks to meth962 for supplying me with information on how to open PS3 save files, and to Jappi88 for the original source code. The Chronicles information would have been close to nonexistent without their aid. Thanks to Frankmaster1 who discovered that affection is capped at 10,000. This was something I had previously neglected to test specifically (as I was foolishly expecting a much higher limit...). Thanks also for pointing out the scene with Lloyd's statue. Thanks to Meowzy for pointing out that Zelos will still speak to Lloyd in the Temple of Darkness even while dead. I had actually intended to test this for myself, but Meowzy beat me to it. Thanks to Force of Sound who first pointed out that the Flanoir Inn Decision positions can get shuffled around due to affection changes. I had the same thing happen a short while later in my even-affection save, but once again, Force of Sound beat me to it. Many guides and FAQs helped me to find various side events that I likely would have not discovered on my own (such as the Pink Pearl Ring...). I don't remember offhand specifically where I learned each tidbit, but I do acknowledge that I obtained much helpful information from the official BradyGames guide and from various online guides (primarily on the Tales forums and GameFAQs). All information on affection, however, is from my own research, not taken from any other guide. This guide was originally posted (by me) on the official Namco Tales of Symphonia forums (now defunct). Version 2.05 of the present document dated 2017/9/30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (C) 2010, 2017 Phaelin. All Rights Reserved.