Ex-CIA on UFOs: There's a whole other reality that surrounds us

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The CIA and the UFO mystery have been linked since 1947. Since
then, a number of CIA officials and former US military personnel
have directly promoted UFOlogy by making surprising remarks.
R. James Woolsey, Derrel Sims, Lue Elizondo, David Fravor, and
other former CIA and US military officers have described how the
existence of reality all around us that we are unable to see could
be a major component of the UFO phenomenon.
Jim Semivan and John Ramirez, two veteran CIA personnel who
have exhibited a personal interest in UFO/UAP issues and cases,
appeared on the George Knapp show to discuss the CIA's participation
in the research of UFOs as well as their own experiences.
Jim Semivan worked for the CIA for 25 years before joining Tom
Delonge's 'To the Stars' Academy with other former government
insiders. He went into depth about how he got into the CIA and
mastered spycraft, which takes years to master. Because the CIA
operates on a "need-to-know" basis, Semivan was not made aware
of any UFO studies, despite the fact that CIA analyst Kit Green
was known for his interest in the paranormal.
Jim Semivan served for the CIA for 25 years as an Operations Officer.
Semivan detailed his own alien encounters with his wife, which
began in 1990 and included entities appearing in their bedroom,
on Coast to Coast AM.
He stated that the encounter was real and not a hypnagogic or dream
state. Following that, the pair experienced occasional poltergeist
activity in their home, and he recently claimed to have seen a hooded
figure that resembled the Death Eater character from Harry Potter,
who may have appeared to announce the death of a close friend.
Semivan agreed with Skinwalker Ranch researcher Colm Kelleher's
observation that the UFO phenomenon is much more than nuts and
bolts and machines, since there are also emotional and biological
factors that ratchet up the strangeness. He noted that To the Stars'
examination of "metamaterials" with unusual isotopic ratios (perhaps
linked to UFOs) was still ongoing.
Semivan said in the first portion of the interview: "I think they
mention that the phenomenon is a natural part of our universe, and
we're living in it but we don't recognize it. The same way that
insects and animals don't recognize the human universe. But our
lawyers will do it.
"A cat and a dog could be running through a library, but they don't
have the faintest idea what the books are all about and what
libraries are all about. We might be walking through our existence
and there's a whole other reality that surrounds us that we just
simply don't have the ability to see or interact with."
"It seems to be peeking inside our little consensus reality. As
I explained to somebody once, it comes close, it teases us,
it cajoles us, it lies to us, but you can never take it home to meet
the parents. It won't allow you to do that. There's no formal
introduction.
"Add on top that there's no ontology, which is just a fancy word,
it basically means there's no structure to even discuss this. We
don't have a common lexicon. Somebody said we have dots but
no connections. I don't even think we have dots," Semivan continued.
In the second portion of the interview, John Ramirez, a 25-year CIA
veteran who specialized in ballistic missile defense systems, was
featured. He detailed his long-standing interest in espionage and
how, in 1984, he transitioned from a Navy officer to the CIA. He
equated gathering intelligence to working as a journalist for a news
organization, except his sources for reports were usually top-secret.
He, like Semivan, had what could be classified as extraterrestrial
abduction-like events, such as being placed on an examination table
in a circular craft. Interestingly, he indicated that a number of his
CIA and NSA colleagues had also experienced UFO encounters.
He became aware of moments when Russian radar detected strange
craft while working on missile defense, and he claimed that in one
incident, they attempted to coax a UAP into landing.
CIA historian Gerald Haines wrote about the agency's examination
of UFOs from 1947 until the 1990s for a section named the Office
of Scientific Intelligence, according to Ramirez. Ramirez was
particularly intrigued by the fact that the division employed
personnel with backgrounds in life sciences and medicine, implying
a potential interest in extraterrestrial bodies.
Lue Elizondo has made these ideas in various interviews, but in this
one, he was asked to expand on his remarks on how our senses are
reductive and limit our world, and how this relates to the
phenomenon.
He responded: "This is something we've been dealing with for a long
time. Imagine the first person to get on a boat and sail over the
horizon. There's stories of sea monsters and Krakens that will devour
you and destroy your boat. Yet, we did it anyways. We did sail, and
we explored the world.
"It turns out, 500 years later, there really are sea monsters. We call
them the Great Squid of the Pacific, and great white sharks and
whales. Now they're just part of nature and have a scientific name,
but those sea monsters still exist.
"They're there, we just learned to understand them. Maybe this is the
same thing. Maybe this is just another expedition over the horizon
where we're going to realize what we thought were monsters are really
just neighbors."
We can add Franc Milburn, a strategic and operational advisor and
former intelligence officer, to the list of those hinting at the
phenomenon being around us all the time, and that our reductive
senses are limiting our ability to perceive it. When comparing his
comments to others who have said similar things, I think it looks
like a narrative is starting to be formed.
In the last 10 minutes of this interview on Darkness Radio, Milburn
opines on the aspects of the phenomenon that the general public
are going to have the hardest time accepting as reality.
"I think now people can kind of get their head around it. Like, okay,
we might not be alone in the universe. But they're still kind
of thinking in terms of ET, extraterrestrial, people visiting us
in a kind of physical craft.
"I think what's going to really blow people's minds, and what they
can't get their head around, is the kind of wider, weird high
strangeness as Dr. Jacques Vallee and Eric Davis have written
about.
"The kind of high strangeness of the various phenomena. Things
at the Skinwalker ranch like the poltergeist activity. You know, the
cryptids. You know, the fact that all these things seem to have these
disembodied voices.
"The fact that UAP and these kind of phenomena seem to happen in
one area very close together, and seem to kind of be interconnected
in some way, perhaps. You know, cattle mutilations.
"That's where I think it's going to be problematic, for people to get
their head around. The fact that the phonomena can exsanguinate
cattle and zap dogs, and fill people with sort of an adrenal, kind
of pheromonal fear. That it can control people's minds.
"So those are things I think people are going to have a real big
problem getting their heads around. The fact that there's invisible
entities that may have malign or benign intentions that are operating
around us and you can't see them. There's a whole kind of different
parallel world existence that kind of intersects with our own.
"I think that is what people are going to have a very hard time
getting their head around."
And now, think about microscopic organisms and what it took for
us to become aware of them and see them. Imagine how much more
there could be that we simply aren't capable of perceiving yet.
We call people that have seen otherworldly things crazy pretty often,
but who is to say these people didn't simply catch a glimpse
of something that is really always there, but usually imperceptible
to us on a normal basis?