(???) .-------------------------------------------------------------. (???) | Apr 19, 2024 : Fri : Yahoo 2004, Dillo & Vivaldi Mobile | (???) -------'-------------------------------------------------------------'-------. (???) I found a 2004 version of Yahoo's home page [0] on my computer. Here's what | (???) it looks like using Dillo 3.0.5 [1] (I like using extra large fonts on a | (???) 1080 (eye strain), 16:9 screen in landscape). | (???) | (???) Here's a screenshot [2] of the same (viewable) page using Vivaldi Mobile on | (???) my Lenovo Tab P12-2023, 12.7", 3k display, 16:10 aspect ratio. Portrait Mode| (???) for document-centric stuff is hard to beat. | (???) | (???) But... honestly very impressed with Dillo. This is a 2015 version of the | (???) browser that shows: | (???) | (???) /usr/bin/dillo (bin: 892 KBs) | (???) /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dillo (plugins, etc: 360 KBs) | (???) /etc/dillo (cfg stuff: 19 KBs) | (???) /usr/share/man/man1/dillo.1.gz (man page: 1.4 KBs) | (???) /home/USER/.dillo (plugins I installed: 94 KBs) | (???) | (???) Less than a 1.4 MB floppy disk! An update is expected this year (2024) :-) | (???) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | (???) [0] https://640kb.neocities.org/support/yahoo.2004.htm | (???) [1] https://640kb.neocities.org/support/dillo.3.0.5--yahoo.2004.png | (???) [2] https://640kb.neocities.org/support/vivaldi.mobile.2024--yahoo.2004.jpg | (???) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' (???) .-------------------------------------------------------------. (???) | Apr 15, 2024 : Mon : Two new finger clients... | (???) -------'-------------------------------------------------------------'-------. (???) I came across two different command-line finger clients today! They are | (???) both dedicated finger clients only and do not support any other protocol. I | (???) quite like this. | (???) | (???) One is written in the D language and available only in source (compiles | (???) easily after "sudo apt install dub"): | (???) | (???) https://github.com/KikyTokamuro/dfinger | (???) | (???) The other is written in rust and includes a precompiled binary: | (???) | (???) https://github.com/alexmullins/finger-client | (???) | (???) Both programs have performed well, even handling the 8-bit codepage437 w/o | (???) issue. Will update the fingerverse file with these new programs soon. | (???) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' (???) .-------------------------------------------------------------. (???) | Apr 11, 2024 : Thu : Dillo updates; new site at neocities. | (???) -------'-------------------------------------------------------------'-------. (???) I've been playing around with the Dillo browser of late. It's a new toy and | (???) really digging its HTML support. Now that I'm using it more often, I'm | (???) really surprised at how well it handles the many HTML sites I've visited. | (???) | (???) I've been having such a nice time with the browser that I even started to | (???) use an inactive neocities site to give it some links to play with. I used | (???) preformatted text because I love working with this format. | (???) | (???) Some sections of the site are Dillo/Kristall specific (since they can handle| (???) the combination of gemini/gopher plus the light html). Other sections of the| (???) site... a mirror of the pages I've posted at happynetbox.com. | (???) | (???) https://640kb.neocities.org | (???) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' (???) .-------------------------------------------------------------. (???) | Apr 10, 2024 : Wed : Fingerverse page reduction. | (???) -------'-------------------------------------------------------------'-------. (???) Reduced fingerverse from 47,582 characters to 41,980 (with spaces). I use | (???) lots of spaces because of the boxy design. Total characters w/o spaces: | (???) 21,885 (52% of total). | (???) | (???) I was able to trim the file with little loss of content. | (???) | (???) Perspective: Since I work with the fingerverse file often, I know where | (???) everything is, everything that's been written. It doesn't feel like a long | (???) document. I have lost the ability to see it from a new user's perspective. | (???) | (???) Objectively, I do recognize that the current 554 lines is long. I'll keep | (???) trimming... | (???) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' (???) .-------------------------------------------------------------. (???) | Apr 08, 2024 : Mon : 44,560 character limit, three clients. | (???) -------'-------------------------------------------------------------'-------. (???) On my latest update of the fingerverse file, finger was unable to display | (???) the entire page. It seems to have hit a limit for characters when trying to | (???) get a file over the internet as: | (???) | (???) * finger fingerverse@happynetbox.com | (???) | (???) It had no problems displaying the entire page if it accessed the ~/.plan | (???) file directly from my computer (not over the internet) as: finger username | (???) | (???) After a very quick test, it seems that the character limit is: | (???) | (???) 44,560 : which translated to 584 lines on the fingerverse file. | (???) | (???) note: "finger fingerverse@happynetbox.com > file" adds an extra character | (???) on top of the file (LF) during processing of the request... so 44,561. | (???) | (???) I decided to test every client and access method listed on the fingerverse | (???) page and only two others had the same (exact) issue: stopping short of | (???) displaying the entire page at 44,560 characters (line 584). | (???) | (???) * curl gopher://happynetbox.com:79/0fingerverse | (???) * dillo (w/gopher plugin) | (???) | (???) * Plan Poke : untested (but I'm sure this will display the entire page) | (???) | (???) I was pleasantly surprised that every other client on the fingerverse page | (???) handled the large file without any issues. This includes the bash-based | (???) bopher-ng, the dos-like ddwarf, the command-line bombadillo, the retired | (???) 'little gopher client' (runtimeterror). | (???) | (???) Fingerlist on Android, the Underbite extension... and even telnet and | (???) smolmail (both in the _fun_ section) handled the entire page. All of them | (???) except for the three listed above (finger, dillo and curl). | (???) | (???) So what do I do? Well... moreso than any other program, I have to respect | (???) any limits imposed by finger no matter the reason. It is the OG. | (???) | (???) There's also curl - an institution in its own right at 28 years and Dillo | (???) that's been ~active since Dec/1999 (though it's new to modern smolnet). | (???) | (???) The clues seem to indicate that the problem lies outside of these three | (???) programs specifically. Third-party? | (???) | (???) Until some reason for this is determined, I'll find a way of trimming down | (???) the file without losing any meaningful content. The limit per page seems to | (???) be 44,560. I'm currently using 47,582 characters. | (???) | (???) This is the smolnet afterall and 44,560 characters ought to be enough for | (???) anyone... right? | (???) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' (???) .-------------------------------------------------------------. (???) | Apr 07, 2024 : Sun : Dillo, smolnet plugins, Spartan. | (???) -------'-------------------------------------------------------------'-------. (???) I just discovered that Dillo has a plugin system. Somehow that got pass me. | (???) Turns out plugins exist for gemini and gopher (finger via gopher). Spartan's| (???) plugin does not seem to load/render. Still... very excited about this. | (???) | (???) Dillo has always been one of those browsers I really liked but rarely used. | (???) Now that it has gemini/gopher support... I have a great reason to use it | (???) more often. I'll update fingerverse with this info soon. | (???) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | (???) Feel bad about spamming this box with the monthly archive of old posts. | (???) These are one time uploads and will disappear from the main listing soon. | (???) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' (???) .-------------------------------------------------------------. (???) | Apr 05, 2024 : Fri : Taxes done with room to spare. | (???) -------'-------------------------------------------------------------'-------. (???) I did my taxes yesterday (Thursday). Just getting this done got me excited | (???) about crossing off a couple of more items from my procrastination page. | (???) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' (???) .-------------------------------------------------------------. (???) | Apr 01, 2024 : Mon : Retro OSes, TLS, Spartan. | (???) -------'-------------------------------------------------------------'-------. (???) I found two posts related to discussions of a Gemini browser for DOS (copied| (???) the discussions below). The major sticking point seems to be TLS. | (???) | (???) This led me to review the other various emerging smolnet protocols. Spartan | (???) stuck out because it's basically Gemini/Gemtext without the TLS: | (???) | (???) https://portal.mozz.us/spartan/spartan.mozz.us/ | (???) | (???) https://portal.mozz.us/spartan/mozz.us/software.gmi | (???) | (???) I like that this protocol - among other things - provides a modern doorway | (???) for legacy systems to enter the smolnet. That it also helps show how the | (???) various smolnet protocols aren't necessarily competing with each other but | (???) rather... helping to extend the smolnet in various useful ways. | (???) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' (???) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (???) ------> https://redd.it/sis7lb <------- (???) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (???) DmitriiElj : | (???) | (???) But there is no vintage computers support, as far as I know (and using IP | (???) and TLS in MS-DOS can be tricky). | (???) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | (???) jakenned : | (???) | (???) using an old DOS machine is out of the question last I checked, I think | (???) someone may be working on a modern TLS package for DOS but I doubt an old | (???) PC would be able to handle it. | (???) | (???) There is someone working on a classic Mac client (m68k IIRC) but they told | (???) me not to expect a working product for a very long time | (???) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | (???) jarreboum : | (???) | (???) TLS is a non-issue now that local proxies can be easily set up to strip it | (???) out. A simple RPi added to the local network works wonders. | (???) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' (???) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (???) ------> https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=17743 <------- (???) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (???) DosWorld : | (???) | (???) JFYI (i want just share idea): | (???) | (???) https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/ | (???) | (???) In short words: WWW without styles and scripting on client side (sort of | (???) markdown?), but with community (~3.5 geeks) and modern software, need just | (???) include dos in this (underground) stream. :-D Here is example browser- | (???) screenshot ( https://files.catbox.moe/rr96w9.png )for gemini-page. | (???) | (???) PS: I am think about topic for my next dos-project, but, definitely, it will| (???) be not networking. | (???) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | (???) effebi68 : | (???) | (???) IMHO, TLS (as used by HTTPS) is by far the worst compatibility problem with | (???) old machines or small operating systems. Nice idea, anyway. | (???) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' (???) -- (???) ant another? finger glass@happynetbox.com