[HN Gopher] Firefox 72 - our first song of 2020
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Firefox 72 - our first song of 2020
Author : i_am_not_elon
Score : 94 points
Date : 2020-01-07 16:59 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (hacks.mozilla.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (hacks.mozilla.org)
| floatingsmoke wrote:
| Still no pinch to zoom. No chance on macOS.
| smcleod wrote:
| A workaround if you really want that might be to set a
| bettertouchtool hotkey mapping pinch to CMD+/- when in the
| Firefox app.
| 2bitencryption wrote:
| I'm a huge fan of the picture-in-picture, though I wish for a few
| enhancements:
|
| I wish clicking anywhere on the box would act as "play/pause",
| instead of requiring me to hunt down the button. And of course I
| wish for some visible/interactable buffer-bar, though I realize
| that might not be standardized across webplayers, so maybe not
| possible.
| ln_00 wrote:
| Finally. The notifications popup is seriously annoying.
| wnevets wrote:
| You can disable them for all sites in prefs IIRC.
| 0xADEADBEE wrote:
| Yep! I have this and it works perfectly.
|
| - about:config
|
| - dom.webnotifications.enabled = false
|
| That's it. Haven't seen one in months.
| pier25 wrote:
| THANK YOU!
| all_blue_chucks wrote:
| What we really need in these permission popups is the ability
| to say "no to all permissions from Gawker Media brands" and the
| problem would be mostly solved.
| donmcronald wrote:
| > User research commonly brings up permission prompt spam as a
| top user annoyance
|
| What's user research?
|
| Jokes aside, my favorite feature in Firefox is the good old-
| fashioned search box. I use Bing by default and repeat searches
| on Google or Duck Duck Go if I don't find results right away.
| mey wrote:
| Have you found Bing more desirable than DuckDuckGo for a
| specific reason? (Uses DuckDuckGo and liberal use of the bangs
| when things don't come up as expected)
| donmcronald wrote:
| > Have you found Bing more desirable than DuckDuckGo for a
| specific reason?
|
| No. I just wanted to diversify away from Google a bit and I
| started with Bing because of Microsoft Rewards. I've only
| been getting about 50 (USD) cents per month in points though,
| so it's not compelling.
| war1025 wrote:
| I've used Yahoo since the early 2000s and never hopped on the
| Google bandwagon.
|
| The times Ive tried to find things in Google because "people
| say it has better search", I've not had much luck. Possibly
| because they don't have extensive data on me and my search
| preferences?
|
| I think Yahoo is backed by Bing these days? I always find its
| search results perfectly adequate.
| iudqnolq wrote:
| By the way, DDG is also essentially entirely backed by
| bing. Bing except ddg for bangs is pretty much the same as
| just DDG.
| agumonkey wrote:
| Interesting I realize that Google results never really
| became more precise with my usage.
| Rotten194 wrote:
| I find the notification permission change (requiring it to be
| after a user gesture) really annoying. It doesn't do almost
| anything to combat permission spam (if you're visiting a
| clickbait site, you'll probably click or scroll at least once,
| especially on mobile where sites usually have a giant header so
| you need to scroll past the fold to even see that the article is
| clickbait), and just inconveniences developers who have to
| special-case Firefox's divergence from the spec when trying to
| _legitimately_ use the gated features.
| pier25 wrote:
| Firefox should include a setting to disable all requests for
| notifications much like they give you total control to block
| autoplay.
| barryvan wrote:
| It does! https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/no-notifications/
| mintplant wrote:
| If it's treated the same way as popup windows, then scrolling
| shouldn't count.
| zamadatix wrote:
| I know the hacks blog tends to stick to "what web technologies
| changed" but 72 also introduces "Experimental support for using
| client certificates from the OS certificate store can be enabled
| by setting the preference security.osclientcerts.autoload to true
| (Windows only)." which has always been a huge PITA for me while
| testing and many interested in these technology changes are
| probably interested in this flag (though maybe moreso when
| Mac/Linux get supported).
| worble wrote:
| I've always used the security.enterprise_roots.enabled flag for
| this, is this new one different?
| Boulth wrote:
| From the property name it sounds like your property is about
| trust roots (CAs) and parent's about client certificates (for
| mutual TLS authentication).
| butz wrote:
| With notification spam fixed, how about tackling cookie banners
| spam next? Let's work on a standard to allow user to set their
| preferred cookie settings level once in browser UI and keep
| websites clean.
| enlyth wrote:
| How would you detect if something is a cookie dialog in a
| standardized way? It's pretty much impossible as all of them
| are custom code with different layouts / selectors / sequence
| of actions you need to take to opt out.
| worble wrote:
| The "I don't care about cookies" addon[0] seems to do a
| pretty good job of it, I've not seen a banner in ages. I
| assume it works on a mixture of detecting popular cookie
| popup js libraries, and user feedback for the rest (although
| I can't seem to find a github or any code for it so it's hard
| to say). I think ublock also has a filter list for it built-
| in.
|
| 0: https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/
| alerighi wrote:
| Unfortunately, they are required by law (at least in Europe)
| and we can't do much about it. You can't say use a browser API
| to set a global setting for them, because GDPR explicitly
| requires that every website must get the user consent for them.
|
| Of course the real solution (and the reason why GDPR introduced
| the banner) is for website to stop using cookies for tracking
| their users and thus have no reason to put the banner (you
| don't need the banner for technical cookies, such as the one
| used for logins, but only for third party profiling cookies).
| worble wrote:
| A minor nitpick, but the "Cookie Law" that introduced these
| banners was way before GDPR, although the GDPR does have
| articles that also talk also about cookies.
|
| The intent of the parts of GDPR which mention cookies (or, at
| least, what I assume the intent was) was to essentially
| "upgrade" the banner from a simple and largely useless
| notification (i.e "By using this site you agree to our use of
| cookies") to one of informed consent (i.e "Please click
| accept or deny the use of cookies to continue using this
| site").
|
| Interestingly, as far as I am aware, no site or company has
| ever been taken to court or even fined for not using a cookie
| banner, despite some websites publically declaring they won't
| use it[0].
|
| 0: https://nocookielaw.com/
| antisthenes wrote:
| > You can't say use a browser API to set a global setting for
| them, because GDPR explicitly requires that every website
| must get the user consent for them.
|
| I can see why that prevents a browser from auto-accepting all
| cookies, but how in the world does this logic apply to me if
| I want to deny consent to 100% of the websites to use
| cookies?
|
| Set the default on the browser to deny all consent, and show
| the cookie notification somewhere unobtrusive, the same way
| it was done for notifications.
| afiori wrote:
| I suspect that it would be far to expensive to make it work
| on the hard 20% of websites and brittle on the easy 80%.
|
| As a personal confession I cannot sympathize for this
| animosity towards banners. Apps usually have a worse
| onboarding experience than websites.
|
| My only considerations of GDPR notices is to note how many
| of them manage to be uncompliant and wonder if archiving
| services can bypass them.
| Tilian wrote:
| Since most websites seem to prefer slapping banners and
| modals on their pages as opposed to actually ridding their
| sites of tracking cookie usage I've found that just blocking
| the elements using a filterlist[0] is a nice solution.
|
| [0] https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/abp/
| gpvos wrote:
| AFAIK, this was a separate law that existed already before
| GDPR came along.
| zozbot234 wrote:
| > Let's work on a standard to allow user to set their preferred
| cookie settings level once in browser UI and keep websites
| clean.
|
| Bring back P3P, with GDPR acting as the enforcement part (which
| was quite lacking when P3P was first proposed)? Might work
| quite nicely, and the support is in browsers already, it just
| tends to be ignored.
| humblebee wrote:
| I don't remember the website, but I ran across one on hacker
| news a while ago that had the best cookie popover I've ever
| seen. It floated over from the left hand side of the page. Had
| simple and clean UX allowing for user configuration of cookies.
| Felt a little more like a cookie control panel than a popup
| disclaimer. Allowed the user to select which cookies to allow
| with a small description of what they did.
|
| Wish I had bookmarked the page.
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