[HN Gopher] Lyft's algorithm is trying to block people with name...
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       Lyft's algorithm is trying to block people with names like 'Dick'
       and 'Cummings'
        
       Author : danso
       Score  : 91 points
       Date   : 2020-01-11 20:07 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | tempsy wrote:
       | Sounds like a bad product manager. Could've talked to literally
       | any company that has a real name policy on common pitfalls and
       | this would be near the top.
        
       | haunter wrote:
       | A german user was banned on Twitter for writing "Die Boomer" =
       | "the boomers"
       | 
       | https://www.dw.com/en/german-grammar-in-ok-boomer-tweet-gets...
       | 
       | Also my all time favorite when Facebook banned people posting
       | about faggots which is a traditional food in the UK Midlands
       | 
       | https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10419598/Man...
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)
        
         | noodlesUK wrote:
         | I have to say, when I first moved back to the U.K. after a long
         | time in the states, I absolutely could not control my shock
         | followed by giggling when people asked if they could bum a fag
         | off me at a pub or suchlike. (Fag is slang for cigarettes for
         | those outside the U.K.)
        
           | reaperducer wrote:
           | I've always known the word "fag" to also mean a bundle of
           | sticks, like you'd use to start a fire. I expect the meanings
           | are related.
           | 
           | Life seems to be peppered with problems with people with
           | limited vocabularies who would rather make themselves
           | "offended" by something, rather than think.
           | 
           | See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_t
           | he_word_n...
        
       | 0x8BADF00D wrote:
       | Ah the good old Scunthorpe problem. Funny to see people still run
       | into it.
        
       | hprotagonist wrote:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem
       | 
       | the scunthorpe problem will never die.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | shalmanese wrote:
         | You could almost say it's a clbuttic problem.
        
           | userbinator wrote:
           | At least they did not try to modify the names... imagine if
           | every Dick got renamed to Penis!
        
       | vanniv wrote:
       | Tech companies will never learn.
       | 
       | How many times must we go through "real names" idiocies before
       | these supposed geniuses stop being imbeciles
        
         | danso wrote:
         | I don't think this is really a case of a "real name" policy
         | gone awry. For starters, to be a Lyft driver, you have to
         | supply your driver ID (including your official name). The issue
         | at hand seems to be the names the drivers choose to be visible
         | to users on the app, e.g. "Jon" instead of "Jonathan". If Lyft
         | had a real name policy, they would just force drivers to
         | display their name as it appears on their submitted driver's
         | ID.
        
         | minimaxir wrote:
         | Real name policies are not a good analogy here, as being on
         | Lyft requires in-person interaction.
        
           | vanniv wrote:
           | What does an in-person interaction have to do with the idiocy
           | of building software to decide what names people are allowed
           | to have?
        
       | petre wrote:
       | Philip K. Dick would get a dystopian feeling about this if he
       | were alive.
        
       | danso wrote:
       | Besides the humor of how Lyft's filter flagged traditionally
       | Caucasian names like "Cummings" - _in addition_ to the usual
       | issues with non-Western names, e.g. Pimpong and Poon - I 'm
       | fascinated/confused how this made it into production? The user
       | database _already_ exists and was currently being used by the
       | live application. Before deploying this new filter onto the
       | production database, wouldn 't you do a dry run to get not _only_
       | the count of users who will be flagged and notified, but a
       | listing of frequently flagged names? Which you could easily
       | manually eyeball to make sure there weren 't obvious false
       | positives?
       | 
       | With a userbase as big as Lyft's, I'm sure there were a ton of
       | obvious true positives (anyone named "Fuck", ostensibly). I just
       | can't believe they didn't notice a surname as relatively common
       | as Cumming/Cummings. Yes, the apparent naivety of the regex is an
       | issue, but this seems like a system for which a lot of testing on
       | actual data would be easy and natural to do as part of the QA
       | process.
        
         | qwerty456127 wrote:
         | This is all bullshit anyway. A word is just a word and whenever
         | it insults somebody it's their own problem. I would rather
         | change my actual name to Fuck if I wasn't too lazy to deal with
         | problems like that.
         | 
         | I once read a story of a Vietnamese man named Hui. He had to go
         | to the court to protect his right to be named this way in
         | Ukraine where the word is used widely and has only one meaning
         | - a dick.
        
           | reaperducer wrote:
           | _A word is just a word and whenever it insults somebody it 's
           | their own problem._
           | 
           | There was a study linked to on HN a couple of years ago that
           | found that babies recognize swear words even before they have
           | language skills, and that people can sometimes recognize
           | swear words in languages they don't speak. It has to do with
           | the tone and sharpness of the sounds.
        
             | qwerty456127 wrote:
             | Does this mean a baby, whose father's name is Dick would
             | feel bad and/or get mentally traumatized?
        
               | lostlogin wrote:
               | > It has to do with the tone and sharpness of the sounds.
        
               | afandian wrote:
               | Precisely the opposite.
        
         | reaperducer wrote:
         | Since a credit card is required to use Lyft, why not just
         | validate the name on the card with the card company and make it
         | the issuer's problem?
        
           | andrewbarba wrote:
           | A credit card is not required to use Lyft. You can use credit
           | from gift cards or promo codes, as well as 1 time payment
           | methods like Apple Pay which are completed at time of ride
           | booking and do not expose names
        
           | danso wrote:
           | I just tried to create a driver's account on Lyft's website.
           | There's an initial page where you give them your name. And
           | then, deeper into the process, a form for supplying your name
           | as it officially appears on your driver's license.
           | 
           | Which makes sense. There's likely a lot of drivers who want
           | to go by "Tom" instead of "Thomas" or whatever their full
           | official name is - which is even more important for drivers
           | with very uncommon names who want to go by something more
           | familiar/pronounceable. There's probably a decent safety
           | argument for not requiring drivers to have their full real
           | names be accessible to the user, especially in cases where a
           | driver has an uncommon (i.e. easy to doxx) name.
        
             | true_religion wrote:
             | I hear the argument but taxi drivers were always required
             | to show their real name, so the same should apply to Lyft
             | drivers.
             | 
             | The privacy of the driver is outweighed by the need for the
             | public to feel they will safely be taken to their
             | destination in an enclosed vehicle totally controlled by
             | another party.
        
               | zulln wrote:
               | > I hear the argument but taxi drivers were always
               | required to show their real name, so the same should
               | apply to Lyft drivers.
               | 
               | You can definitely argue that they should show their real
               | name, but it is not a good argument that because taxi
               | requires it, lyft should as well.
        
               | danso wrote:
               | I'm not sure what the official rule is for NYC's taxis
               | when it comes to the name display; fwiw you can see the
               | official list of medallion license numbers and associated
               | names here:
               | 
               | https://data.cityofnewyork.us/Transportation/Medallion-
               | Drive...
               | 
               | In any case, rules are different for different
               | jurisdictions and entities. If NYC TLC did have that
               | requirement, then it's possible that real name display is
               | mandatory for Lyft drivers operating in NYC, given that
               | TLC has some oversight over services like Lyft. However,
               | TLC also has some say over livery cabs. It's been awhile
               | since I've been in a livery cab, but I think they do
               | operate under different requirements in terms of what's
               | required for display.
        
           | matthewarkin wrote:
           | None of the major card networks except for American Express
           | validate cardholder name. The Address Verification Service
           | (AVS) also only validates numeric values (so if your address
           | is 123 Main Street, 123 Maple Ave will return a matching
           | response)
        
             | rolltiide wrote:
             | Was always wondering about that, only occasionally
             | misspelling a letter here or there to see if a transaction
             | would get approved. Can anyone corroborate?
        
               | lostlogin wrote:
               | The crazy shit that happens when an address is entirely
               | correct would make me hesitate before adding errors
               | intentionally.
        
             | user5994461 wrote:
             | Having worked around payments, I can guarantee you that
             | card networks do check the Card Holder name. Better yet,
             | they can match against first name, last name and middle
             | name to adjust the risk rating of individual transactions.
             | 
             | Albeit, this is rarely used to block payments, because if
             | they stopped payments when customers didn't put their
             | middle name the exact way it's written on their card,
             | nobody would be able to pay online.
        
         | userbinator wrote:
         | _positives (anyone named "Fuck", ostensibly)._
         | 
         | This guy would disagree:
         | 
         | http://mw.eco.br/ig/prof/ReinhardtAdolfoFuck.htm
         | 
         | Along the same lines,
         | 
         | https://www.nie.edu.sg/profile/chew-shit-fun
        
           | danso wrote:
           | Yeah, no name filter is going to be perfect for all edge
           | cases. But presumably, it's a lot cheaper to have the Lyft
           | support team handle email tickets from the relatively few
           | Professor Fucks, than to have them also deal with every
           | Cummings and Dick.
        
             | xxxtentachyon wrote:
             | Or just not filter names on an app like Lyft. You can't
             | even see other users' names. Who is potentially being
             | harmed by even a malicious Professor Fuck?
        
               | zulln wrote:
               | Drivers? Cannot imagine it being a big problem people
               | having really offensive names though, after all you are
               | actually meeting the driver irl and expect them to..
               | well, drive you.
        
         | tmpz22 wrote:
         | Its funny to me how they try to apply christian values like
         | avoiding vaguely sexual sounding words while also making
         | significant amounts of money off late night debauchery, picking
         | people up from clubs at 3am.
        
           | copperx wrote:
           | Polite language is secular. Where do you get this religious
           | connotation from?
        
             | AdrianB1 wrote:
             | Forbidding a name like Cummings because it is not "polite"
             | is neither secular or logical. Also in non-Catholic
             | Christian countries sex and nudity are not a big deal
             | (example: Germany), so you are partially right: not a
             | Christian connotation, just particular forms of it.
        
           | chrisseaton wrote:
           | > while also making significant amounts of money off late
           | night debauchery, picking people up from clubs at 3am
           | 
           | I'm not Christian but I don't think most Christians consider
           | a night out a club to be debauchery.
        
             | itronitron wrote:
             | that's sort of the point
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | vxxzy wrote:
           | How does this directly relate to "Christian" values? Could
           | "Islamic" values be applied? Afterall, the Prophet Mohammed
           | made his opposition to crude language clear in the Hadith.
           | 
           | Follow up: Also appears there are some misgiving regarding
           | crude language within the Hindu religion as well. [0]
           | 
           | [0]: https://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.
           | php?...
        
             | qwerty456127 wrote:
             | Ok, let's call that puritan values of abrahamic religions.
        
               | rhizome wrote:
               | And I bet someone named Shooter[1] has no problems
               | signing up.
               | 
               | 1. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/extreme-boys-names
        
               | klipt wrote:
               | Ironically a lot of "puritan" values are now considered
               | "social justice" values.
               | 
               | See eg "shirtgate" where an astronomer was castigated by
               | feminists for wearing a shirt with naked figures, on the
               | basis that it was offensive to women. Ironically, the
               | shirt had been given to him by a feminist woman friend
               | who thought it was liberating.
        
               | qwerty456127 wrote:
               | Bullshit culture as it is.
        
             | klipt wrote:
             | Islam is almost a branch off Christianity considering
             | Muhammad knew many Christians and was likely inspired by
             | them. Muslims also view Jesus as a holy person.
        
             | [deleted]
        
               | FlowNote wrote:
               | Nope, this is pure dishonesty manifest.
               | 
               | Islam throws gays off of buildings and beheads women.
               | Christian city made you sad one time because your Dad
               | made you go to Church.
               | 
               | Your hopes to prevent analysis of moral arbitrage is
               | nothing more than cheerleader cherry-picking.
        
         | jorblumesea wrote:
         | > Which you could easily manually eyeball to make sure there
         | weren't obvious false positives?
         | 
         | Implying devs test their code thoroughly. lol. After working at
         | numerous companies (some with high bars of entry) I've noticed
         | many devs push changes without testing properly. Or, if they
         | test, they rarely consider edge cases or implications of what
         | they're doing and only test the obvious base cases.
        
         | clSTophEjUdRanu wrote:
         | I had a friend named Hung Wang who was pissed Microsoft
         | wouldn't let him make that his gamertag.
         | 
         | "I'm so sorry my name is offensive!"
        
           | somebodythere wrote:
           | I have a friend named Aryan who was not allowed to sign up
           | for a Microsoft account with that name. Support even refused
           | to make the exception when asked, suggesting that he sign up
           | with the name "Ryan" instead.
           | 
           | To this day, emails from that account have "Ryan <lastname>"
           | in the header.
        
       | hysan wrote:
       | And my name was filtered by Spectrum, who at the time was the
       | only ISP in my area. Made chat support incredibly difficult
       | whenever I had to type in my name. Explaining why I wrote it with
       | spaces with an explanation to remove which spaces was quite the
       | test in reading comprehension apparently. Especially funny was
       | when the customer support tried to type it back to confirm only
       | to see nothing! Confused them even though I just explained why I
       | was doing it!
       | 
       | I hope to one day be able to see the feature spec and QA that led
       | to these types of hiccups.
        
       | rdiddly wrote:
       | Tell me again why anybody cares? Is it because the Church is so
       | central to our lives? We're masters of rationality and
       | technology, who believe in a retributive super-ape in the sky?
       | 
       | Is it because we're medieval scribes and we really want to use
       | the Latin _faeces_ to indicate our scholarly intentions, instead
       | of the Anglo-Saxon _shit_ that everyone around us uses?
       | 
       | There is no reason I can think of that comports with a
       | technological or innovative worldview.
       | 
       | Including cybersecurity. ("Shit" is just an identifier or a
       | guessable string with 13 bits of "chaos" completely equivalent to
       | "Dave" or "Phil.")
       | 
       | Edit: Well I see small-minded superstitious dunderheads have
       | shown up to downvote me, so FUCK CUNT SHIT ASS
        
         | FlowNote wrote:
         | And not a Dang in sight. Imagine that.
        
         | falcor84 wrote:
         | Words have meanings. These particular words have offensive
         | meanings, in the sense of them being used to intentionally
         | offend others. There's no word I'm aware of that is only ever
         | used to offend and they all have (and generally have stated
         | with) inoffensive meanings.
         | 
         | In pretty much every community, we seek to reduce the friction
         | between members, and as a part of that, different communities
         | would often choose a point on that chance-to-offend spectrum
         | and discourage use of anything more (potentially) offensive
         | than that point. Despite myself generally preferring more open
         | (and more offensive communities), I find it very rational for
         | others to set the bar at other points.
        
           | techslave wrote:
           | These are names. not words.
        
           | rdiddly wrote:
           | Sure, agreed, and Lyft's apparent priorities are a big part
           | of why I'm not in a relationship with them or part of their
           | "community" (read: "customer base." _Community_ is a lie and
           | therefore offensive, despite being totally a  "clean" word...
           | great and unexpected example... I digress).
           | 
           | Edit: sorry, digressed so far that I forgot to finish. By
           | "priorities" I mean, Lyft, pull your people off of pointless
           | projects like messing with people's identities, and put them
           | on QA of basic functionality like accepting a credit card
           | payment via your website. Last and only time I tried it, it
           | failed utterly. Now I don't know how much anti-sales other
           | people need to de-persuade them before they'll not-buy, but
           | in my case that was enough. The person for whom I was trying
           | to buy a gift card, got something nicer with a lifecycle that
           | doesn't burn such an obscene/offensive quantity of fossil
           | fuels.
        
       | allovernow wrote:
       | FromSoft has a similar problem with totally inane censorship of
       | names in online play in the Dark Souls series. E.G. you would
       | think they'd whitelist the word "knight" in a game about knights,
       | but it's always censored to k __*ht. There 's some other wacky
       | stuff going on but in this case I don't quite blame them because
       | the devs probably don't speak English natively or at all, and you
       | can tell they had a tight budget/schedule.
        
       | donmcronald wrote:
       | Clbuttic
        
       | dathinab wrote:
       | It's always funny (not) when companies don't slice realize that
       | there is a certain overlap between "bad" words and last names
       | (many because of a shift over time wrt. What words are bad, and
       | differences between languages and dialects).
        
       | jklein11 wrote:
       | Maybe the Danes are on to something here.
       | 
       | https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-strict-name-laws-of-...
        
       | jFriedensreich wrote:
       | The US has a serious problem with saying normal things like fuck,
       | cunt and shit. I find it extremely offensive to hear beeps in
       | series and even the verge author self censors his article.
       | Fucking stop being hypocrites.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | teh_klev wrote:
         | Twitter seems to filter through the prism of US standards of
         | speech. Woe betide you if you're Scottish and use the word
         | cunt. In Scotland there's quite a lot of nuance in the usage of
         | cunt. In fact I go so far as to say that the use of "profane"
         | language is a bit of an art form in Scotland, but sadly not
         | appreciated by our Facebook and Twitter overlords.
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdCmFg4xIPI
        
         | nkrisc wrote:
         | You're offended by the beeps? Well now you now how the people
         | offended by those words feel.
         | 
         | Edit: People seem to think I'm offended by those words. I'm
         | not.
        
           | teh_klev wrote:
           | They're just words. You can always turn the TV off.
           | 
           | See also:
           | 
           | https://youtu.be/78OevDyH7-Y?t=187
        
             | nkrisc wrote:
             | I'm not offended by words. I was just talking about other
             | people.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | TigeriusKirk wrote:
       | What happens with towns like Cumming, GA?
        
       | m0zg wrote:
       | There are a lot of Dicks around, if you pardon the pun. On a more
       | salient note, why the fuck would Lyft try to censor language in
       | the first place? Is there a point after which you're _too_ woke
       | for your own good? It's OK to have an "offensive" name.
        
       | ceejayoz wrote:
       | The good old Scunthorpe problem.
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem
        
       | llarsson wrote:
       | How do they not realize what an obvious shitstorm this will
       | cause?
       | 
       | And who is bothered by this, really?
       | 
       | I find it hard to imagine that it's the drivers calling
       | themselves Dick Cummings out of immaturity. So what does it
       | really matter what the customers call themselves?
        
         | jamestimmins wrote:
         | From my experience building filters, this is one of the most
         | frustrating tasks in software development, because getting it
         | right is thankless and highly contextual, and if you get it
         | wrong, the results are obvious.
         | 
         | Edit: Actually, it's worse bc if you get it wrong you open up
         | your employer to getting called out for cultural insensitivity.
        
           | _wldu wrote:
           | You can never get this 'right' and trying to is a waste of
           | time and money. Words are just words. Trying to police what
           | words a person has in their name, username, email, etc. is
           | wrong and has unintended consequences. What's inappropriate
           | to these 'decision makers' is actually the given names of
           | some of their users.
           | 
           | You should never try to define 'appropriate language' and
           | then impose your definition of that on to the world.
           | Especially if you want to do business.
        
         | cmdshiftf4 wrote:
         | >I find it hard to imagine that it's the drivers calling
         | themselves Dick Cummings out of immaturity. So what does it
         | really matter what the customers call themselves?
         | 
         | That was my thought too. It's one thing if you're using
         | obscenity in an anonymous online alias, as a great many
         | Redditors seem to love doing, but I'm struggling to believe
         | that it's something people do in signing up for real-life ride-
         | sharing apps, either as a driver or rider.
         | 
         | Obviously there must be some amount of people doing it,
         | otherwise Lyft wouldn't bother with this at all, but it's just
         | so... _unexpected_.
        
       | jasonjei wrote:
       | My last name "Hung" was blocked by Apple's Genius Bar at one
       | point when they displayed the names queue on the digital board.
       | They don't like certain methods of Chinese romanization
       | (particularly the one used in Taiwan).
        
       | jamestimmins wrote:
       | Patio11 has a good post about this topic from 10 years ago.
       | https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-...
       | 
       | As a programmer, it's difficult how little of the world follows
       | consistent "rules" that you need to build straightforward
       | conditional logic.
       | 
       | Really, the only surprising thing is that Lyft didn't cross this
       | bridge years ago.
        
       | minimaxir wrote:
       | It seems like tech companies have been doing DIY profanity
       | filters. Apple has a profanity filter for engraving text onto a
       | device in the online store
       | (https://twitter.com/minimaxir/status/1213188371452841984 );
       | intended to be your name, so terms like "Dick" have to not be
       | filtered.
       | 
       | I learnt that Apple has a validation endpoint. Since the
       | engraving service was recently updated, I took a profanity
       | wordlist and checked it against the endpoint just for fun. The
       | results are...counterintuitive: https://pastebin.com/mzpECiQw
       | (NSFW language, obviously)
        
         | rubyn00bie wrote:
         | A bit of a tangent but you reminded me-- and maybe, I'm totally
         | full of shit or like my memory is wrong, but the iPhone
         | predicting profanity was my favorite feature. For YEARS it
         | would never write "duck" instead of "fuck," and generally was
         | great, but then (and this is the like maybe I'm totally wrong
         | part) after Jobs passed away that stopped completely... and now
         | I get this bullshit I have to fucking correct all the time (I
         | have had to set up shortcuts to prevent it from fixing my
         | profanity).
         | 
         | I can't imagine Jobs putting up with trying to swear at someone
         | over text and repeatedly getting "ducking."
        
           | unlinked_dll wrote:
           | iOS autocorrect has always been terrible, it's not exclusive
           | to profanity. Both in terms of its performance and
           | experience. Its incredibly frustrating to use when it
           | autocorrects words 3-4 words later, and navigating text
           | fields has become significantly more difficult on recent
           | versions of iOS.
           | 
           | Android is the superior experience in almost every UX
           | category imo, and text handling is the best example of that.
           | 
           | sent from my iPhone.
        
             | bradleyankrom wrote:
             | For the life of me I cannot get "may" to stop
             | autocorrecting to "May"
        
             | rubyn00bie wrote:
             | Yeah, the whole "replace a block of text" auto-correct can
             | be a fucking nightmare, but I personaly haven't had bad
             | performance. Maybe I'm just not remembering it... or I'm
             | not thinking of all the uses cases.
             | 
             | On Android the latency of the screen has always bothered me
             | when typing so much I can't notice anything else, but I
             | haven't had a high-end Android device in years where that
             | could be remedied (I was very tempted by the OnePlus 7 but
             | didn't want to fork over the cash just to try).
        
         | ben_w wrote:
         | The profanity filter in the Apple App Store was [0] amusingly
         | wrong, but fortunately also a soft filter rather than a hard
         | filter.
         | 
         | What happened was, the German localisation of the app
         | description included the word "Knopf". Knopf is not a rude
         | word, according to any German I've discussed this with -- it is
         | one translation of "knob" in the sense of "button", but Apple's
         | naughty word detector clearly thought it was "knob" in the
         | sense of the euphemism for a body part.
         | 
         | It didn't stop the app passing review, but the automatic
         | warning was still a regular part of updates for that particular
         | app.
         | 
         | [0] Back in 2012
        
           | reaperducer wrote:
           | I wonder if there are any Knopf titles in the Apple Books
           | app.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_A._Knopf
        
           | userbinator wrote:
           | I've seen "schwanz" (tail) more commonly used as the
           | euphemism for the body part.
        
           | dathinab wrote:
           | Honestly if filter try to filter out euphemisms all is lost
           | because:
           | 
           | 1. People who use them for that just come up with new ones
           | all the time
           | 
           | 2. People still use the word in the regular sense, like would
           | I now have to come up with a euphemisms to describe a door
           | knob ?!
           | 
           | 3. How I wore is my decision. As long as I don't hurry anyone
           | intentionally or knowingly no person and even less company
           | had the (moralic) right to constraint me. (Through wrt.
           | Minirs, Y least younger ones, their parents opinion matters,
           | too.)
        
         | danso wrote:
         | The Apple endpoint, inconsistent as it was, was a little more
         | permissive than I expected. At least compared to something like
         | the Sony Playstation ID filter; for example, 'hitler' is fine
         | for Apple, whereas Sony seems to block out any ID containing
         | the literal string of 'hitle', e.g. `hitle123987` [0].
         | Meanwhile, Apple manages to block some of the more esoteric
         | sexual profanity that Sony's filter can miss, e.g. `bunghole`.
         | 
         | [0] curl -X POST
         | https://accounts.api.playstation.com/api/v1/accounts/onlineI...
         | -H "Content-Type: application/json" -d
         | '{"onlineId":"hitle123987","reserveIfAvailable":true}'
        
           | zeta0134 wrote:
           | I'm still trying to work out what Sony's filter doesn't like
           | about my username (zeta0134) which I've had for ages. The
           | first bit is just the letter "z" in Spanish; there's no
           | deeper meaning. To my knowledge it's not considered offensive
           | in Spanish, but Sony would _not_ let me have it no matter how
           | many variations I tried. Maybe there 's some political thing
           | I'm not aware of?
           | 
           | Anyway, I switched languages and I'm "zed0134" on their
           | network. The whole thing struck me as a bit odd.
        
             | somehnguy wrote:
             | Maybe something related to
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas
             | 
             | ? Seems like a poor reason but most profanity filters are
             | inconsistent as hell anyway so its possible.
        
             | Gibbon1 wrote:
             | > what Sony's filter doesn't like about my username
             | (zeta0134)
             | 
             | I can explain that one to you.
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas
        
             | danso wrote:
             | That's very interesting. I just called their endpoint:
             | curl -d '{"onlineId":"zeta0134","reserveIfAvailable":true}'
             | \          -X POST https://accounts.api.playstation.com/api
             | /v1/accounts/onlineIds \         -H "Content-Type:
             | application/json"
             | 
             | And got a response indicating that the name was both valid
             | (i.e. not "improper") and available. Maybe at one
             | particular time the word was flagged, but I can't imagine
             | why.
             | 
             | edit: As other repliers have said, I _did_ think that it
             | could have something to do with Los Zetas, and maybe that
             | was the case in the past. However, as of now, `zeta0134`,
             | `zetas0134`, and `loszetas0134` are all valid and available
             | names, according to the endpoint.
             | 
             | Interestingly, `pabloescobar0134` _is_ considered improper.
             | However, `elchapo0134` is _not_ - which supports the
             | argument that Sony 's blacklist is (obviously) manually
             | curated and perhaps subject to change. Maybe enough people
             | who wanted "Zeta" complained for Sony to realize it was a
             | word that had many more uses than in Los Zetas
        
             | okasaki wrote:
             | Possibly because of the Mexican drug cartel?
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | dspig wrote:
             | Los Zetas?
        
       | Havoc wrote:
       | Bit of a dick move
        
       | cs702 wrote:
       | I hereby propose the term "AS" for _Artificial Stupidity_ : The
       | use of software to automate obviously stupid behavior.
       | 
       | Sample usage: "AS is sometimes an unintended result obtained when
       | insanely smart people work with vast resources on very complex
       | problems for long periods of time."
        
       | soulofmischief wrote:
       | I got randomly "banned" from nexus mods two months ago because
       | they forced a password change, which wouldn't proceed because it
       | said my name wasn't allowed. Apparently having "fucker" in your
       | name is against the community guidelines for a website which lets
       | you download adult content such as hyperviolent and hypersexual
       | game mods. I've also had this account for almost a decade. I
       | ended up getting in quite a spat with customer support until they
       | stopped responding.
       | 
       | I expect I will be receiving a similar notification from Lyft
       | soon as the email address I am registered with definitely has a
       | name which would incorrectly trigger this algorithm.
        
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