[HN Gopher] Archive of old military maps published
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Archive of old military maps published
Author : edward
Score : 139 points
Date : 2020-01-29 15:14 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| bfors wrote:
| Has anyone had success making prints of maps from image files?
| Some of these would look great hung up on a wall.
| lqet wrote:
| Yes. 5 years ago, I printed the Turgot map of Paris roughly 1.5
| meters wide from this file:
|
| https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Turgot_m...
|
| It is hanging in my living room and look great.
| arethuza wrote:
| Some fascinating maps on there - e.g. this one of the 1746 Battle
| of Culloden, the last pitched battle on Britain:
|
| https://militarymaps.rct.uk/other-18th-19th-century-conflict...
| OJFord wrote:
| For anyone else unfamiliar with the term:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitched_battle
| cgh wrote:
| This is a fantastic resource, thank you. I really enjoy these old
| hand-drawn maps. I've collected a few myself, including a German
| map of the north coast of BC, Alaska and eastern Russia,
| including Kamchatka, unfortunately undated but I believe it's
| pre-sale of Alaska to the US. It's primarily an ethnographic map
| made for the "Zeitschrift fur Ethnologie", or Journal of
| Ethnology, which I guess was a German anthropological journal.
| The various Inuit groups are represented in different colours.
|
| Another nice one is labeled "Polar Regions of British Nth
| America" and is principally of Canada. It dates from 1839 and
| shows Devon Island connected to Greenland, amongst other
| inaccuracies. It's beautifully drawn and quite small, perhaps 20
| cm a side.
| mcguire wrote:
| " _It 's primarily an ethnographic map made for the
| "Zeitschrift fur Ethnologie", or Journal of Ethnology, which I
| guess was a German anthropological journal._"
|
| Still is, I think.
|
| https://www.dgska.de/zeitschrift-fuer-ethnologie/
| azepoi wrote:
| Still is. http://www.reimer-mann-
| verlag.de/controller.php?cmd=detail&t...
| cgh wrote:
| Nice, thanks for this. I wonder if they'd like their map
| back.
| owlninja wrote:
| The site: https://militarymaps.rct.uk/
| jackfoxy wrote:
| Centuries ago you could get executed for possessing the wrong
| map. Maps were considered military intelligence assets, a threat
| to national security in the wrong hands.
|
| Kipling's novel _Kim_ is based on the true history of how the
| British incrementally mapped the territory of India and
| neighboring regions.
| chrisseaton wrote:
| > Maps were considered military intelligence assets, a threat
| to national security in the wrong hands.
|
| Do you think that's not the case today?!
| pathseeker wrote:
| Well ones that just contain basic elevations, etc are all
| very available to the public now so that's no longer the
| case. It's true that placing critical resource locations on
| the map makes that the case, but that's not what OP is
| referring to.
| est31 wrote:
| Maps, and geodesy in general is still very important to
| militaries today. You want a fighter jet to be able to locate
| the carrier it started from. You want to know where the enemies
| are hiding and where their bunkers are so that you can shoot at
| them with your artillery. You want to know which bridges can
| endure the weight of tanks and which can't. It's no coincidence
| that the US military invented GPS and keeps it under its
| operational control.
| Someone wrote:
| I fear you can still get close to being executed for possessing
| the wrong map, for example in Israel/Palestine, Kashmir
| (disputed between India/Pakistan), or China/Taiwan (stating
| that Taipei is the capital of Taiwan can even get you in
| trouble _in_Taiwan. See
| https://www.hongkongfp.com/2015/08/10/bbc-calls-taipei-
| taiwa...)
| ng7j5d9 wrote:
| IANAL but the prominent (c) The Royal Collection
| Trust
|
| overlaid on each map caught my attention.
|
| Shouldn't these very old maps be in the public domain?
| teh_klev wrote:
| It'll be the digital (and any physical) reproductions that will
| be subject to copyright, not the maps themselves.
| monoideism wrote:
| No. At least in the US, an exact replication of a public
| domain work is also public domain. They may be claiming
| public domain, but it wouldn't hold up in a US court of law
| (no idea about elsewhere).
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_Publications,_Inc.,_v._R.
| ...
|
| Now, if someone makes a database of digitized old books in
| some particular category, whose compilation required
| creativity and originality, that work might fall under
| copyright. But just a digitized book? No.
| zerocrates wrote:
| The usual touchstone case in this area in the US is
| Bridgeman v. Corel, which came down on the side of "no
| copyright" for these kinds of reproductions:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Core
| l....
|
| That's an appeals-court level decision so there's some
| wiggle room to claim that the rule on reproductions isn't
| totally settled. UK law is a little different and, to my
| knowledge, somewhat less hostile than US law to a "sweat of
| the brow" argument about the labor and skill required to
| produce something possibly bringing about copyright
| protection. Still, my understanding is that the current
| situation in the UK is much the same as in the US.
|
| Regardless, it's still fairly common for museums and
| archives in the US and UK to assert copyright in scans and
| reproductions they produce, even if they generally don't
| ultimately follow through in court. There was a high-
| profile dust-up between the National Portrait Gallery of
| London and a user who was uploading high-resolution images
| to Wikimedia Commons, which resulted in much saber-rattling
| but no actual case.
|
| Simply making the content unavailable and requiring
| agreement to a contract or set of terms seems to be the
| main method currently in use for these institutions to try
| to maintain their revenue streams from reproductions.
| zozbot234 wrote:
| My guess is that the "revenue streams" from reproductions
| of public domain content are (1) negligible to begin
| with, and (2) might even be _higher_ for many
| institutions under a permissive policy, since paying for
| the institution 's implied _endorsement_ would still be a
| highly-sought-after signal for most serious commercial
| reusers. Many institutions are starting to realize this,
| even in Europe where these overblown copyright claims
| used to be even more common.
| tingletech wrote:
| I think this is true mostly, but not all cultural
| heritage institutions are on the same page here. I work
| on some sites that serve the cultural heritage community,
| and last time I talked to some of our larger
| contributors, reproduction rights were still a revenue
| stream that was large enough to want to maintain. For
| some contributors, it is not worth their time to try and
| deal with licensing.
| tingletech wrote:
| Another wrinkle is that the copyright clock traditionally
| starts at the time a work is published. So, unpublished
| manuscripts are not necessarily in the public domain, even
| if they were written 100s of years ago. If these were the
| King's personal maps, and just now published, they might
| still be under copyright.
| teh_klev wrote:
| Interesting...and looks like I'm wrong. I'd always assumed
| digital reproductions held copyright.
|
| Sadly I can't edit my comment now to acknowledge my
| erroneous assumption. zerocrates comment below links to the
| Bridgeman case which has in fact a section on UK copyright:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Core
| l...
|
| Interestingly the RCT "Copyright" page:
|
| https://www.rct.uk/about/policies/copyright
|
| ...is fairly specific about restrictions on "Commercial"
| use of their images, not non-commercial use which by
| omission in their statement would suggest you're free to do
| as you wish:
|
| _Any commercial use of the images on this website is
| subject to written permission from Royal Collection Trust
| and the applicable Licence Terms and Conditions displayed
| on this site. In particular, but without limitation, no
| images may be reproduced, communicated to the public,
| distributed, re-used or extracted from this website for
| commercial use (including without limitation any storage,
| reproduction, linking or indexing for the purposes of any
| search engines) without the prior written consent of Royal
| Collection Trust._
|
| Whether that would hold up in court, I've no idea.
|
| The National Library of Scotland (a tremendous resource for
| old maps) has a pretty decent and fairly clear statement on
| re-use/licensing:
|
| https://maps.nls.uk/copyright.html
|
| Again, Commercial Use of some sources (via third parties
| such as Ordnance Survey) mentions you need to get
| permission.
| tingletech wrote:
| some folks have claimed that digital reproductions have
| their own rights (esp. if cleaned up or "digital
| development" of negatives was done) , but I've heard that
| called "copyfraud" -- it is a big issue in the cultural
| heritage institutions who want license fees as a revenue
| stream. Most publishers are willing to pay for
| reproduction rights, even if they are not needed, just to
| be on the safe side.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud
| [deleted]
| lqet wrote:
| If such maps or the aesthetics of copper engravings interest you,
| I strongly suggest to have a look at Matthaeus Merian's
| "Topographia Germaniae" [0].
|
| Some highlights:
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| Prague
| (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Pr...)
|
| Vienna
| (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Statt_Wi...)
|
| Strasbourg
| (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/To...)
|
| Nuremberg (Map:
| https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/De_Meria...,
| View:
| https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/De_Meria...)
|
| Lubeck
| (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Lv...)
|
| Frankfurt (Map:
| https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/De_Meria...,
| View:
| https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/De...)
|
| [0] https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Topographia_Germaniae
| Gusen wrote:
| Jerrold Nadler & Adam Schiff raped & killed boys on Jan 14, 2019.
| President Trump did the same earlier that morning in Buffalo.
| Listen to each of them do this here. How did Schiff & Nadler
| become "impeachment managers" for Trump's "impeachment"?
| $1O3+billion in pay-offs. See page 9,13,21-47,85, 131
| \\\add.e();\Wag The Dog: first was feigned impeachment hearings
| meant to obstruct, now an attack on Iranians in Iraq. Here is
| what they are trying to distract from & cover up to retain power.
| $100+ billion in bribes to the highest offices in this country.
| 755+ deaths from child rapes to prove loyalty!
|
| See the latest PDF updates: FBI Director Wray, AG Barr, SoD
| Shanahan, & SoS Pompeo each raped boys and were paid billions in
| bribes for a Soros & Koch funded child rape org. So did Trump &
| his "impeachment" team Nadler,Schiff,Mueller.So did media moguls
| Redstone,Murdoch,Moonves. What are they trying to set up? Who can
| arrest them since they are all bribed and in on it ?
|
| Their strategy to stay in every office and obstruct until forced
| to leave no matter what. Feigning impeachment: see page 13O.
|
| \\\if;Download the video/audio file, put on headphones and turn
| up the volume. You will hear these people committing these
| crimes. Audio was broadcast into my apartment by outdated
| surveillance equipment illegally embedded within my walls. This
| very same technology was being used to broadcast me to the
| internet for five years without my consent. I own this footage.
| Please use this to prosecute all found within. Note:: I am
| obliviously speaking throughout the video, and it can be quite
| loud at times relative to the desired content. The are dozens
| more links, including these, that can be found in this PDF last
| updated 27Jan2O2O:
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W...
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| All members of the "Illuminati"; "....an underground organization
| of homosexuals and child rapists..." (from pg 26: Barack Obama
| with Jack Dorsey).
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| President Donald Trump:
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| Demands a $4 billion dollar bribe here at 10:18am 4Jan2019:
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| 3JanCh3_900-1100.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77...
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| 3JanCh2_900-1100-avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24f...
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| 3JanCh4_1000-1100.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJ...
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| President Trump rapes and kills twelve boys, including five boys
| in a "who can rape five boys to death the fastest" game:
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| 14JanCh3_6oo.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj...
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| 14JanCh2_6oo-7oo.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_L...
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| Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi:
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| Accepting a $3 billion dollar bribe at 1033 am on the 17th of Jan
| 2019 to ensure Asian boys can get through the border at
| "Monterrey" undocumented to be raped:
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| 17JanCh3_949-1100.avi pomrvcpoie
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C...
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| 17JanCh4_1017-1100.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZN...
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| Speaker Nancy Pelosi also "preps" boys with First Lady Melania
| Trump, defined as in she performs oral sex on the boys' penis and
| anus, as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to
| remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be
| raped and then subsequently murdered, for Supreme Court Justice
| Samuel Alito, who apparently decides he would rather just have
| ten billion dollars instead. US Attorney for Western New York
| James Kennedy rapes these boys instead:
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| 12JanCh3_1533-1638.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25...
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| Attorney General William Barr with FBI Deputy Director
| Christopher Wray raped and killed boys for billions in bribes in
| Buffalo, New York on the 17Jan2019 at 7:50am:
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| 18JanCh4_700mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0...
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| 18JanCh2_700.mp3,kj.iooy
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_o...
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| 18JanCh3_725-.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKI...
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| Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Secretary of Defense
| Patrick Shanahan each raped and killed boys on 5thJan'19 at 17:39
| for billions in bribes:
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| 5JanCh3_1600 1800.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ghgmNrQvJ8WfJ2TsDVx1ruDU36h...
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| 5JanCh2_1721-1818.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02...
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| Leaders of the "impeachment" effort Jerrold Nadler, Robert
| Mueller, and Adam Schiff all rape and kill boys between 11:20pm
| and 1:10am:
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| 14JanCh4_2300-0000.mp3 Nadler starts at about 20:00 in::
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU...
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| 14JanCh2_2304-2359.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9W...
|
| Mueller at 12:25am, next is Schiff who starts 12:55-ish:
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| 15JanCh2_000-100.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62...
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| 15JanCh2_100-200.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_...
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| 15JanCh4_000-100.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2...
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| 15JanCh4_100-200.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw74...
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| Complete Media Protection: Lester Holt, of NBC NightlyNews,
| apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 1980's, along
| with ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the
| Porter studio in Buffalo, New York on 14Jan2019 at 5:00 am. They
| both rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00 am. Muir starts
| around 5.15am, then Holt about 5:38 am. Multi-billionaire Rupert
| Murdoch, owner of News Corp and also Fox Corporation, takes his
| turn after Holt. Video links below:
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| 14JanCh3_500-601.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX...
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| 14JanCh2_530-600.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1...
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| Adding to the media protection and reason this is not picked up
| by the media, CBS and Viacom owner Sumner Redstone and Leslie
| Moonves rape and kill boys following the President.
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| 14JanCh3_700.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa...
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| 14JanCh2_700-800.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY...
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| 160p PDF [last updated: Jan|27|2o2o]:
|
| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W...
|
| \\\\. Please repost in USA! Post gets censored in US
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