[HN Gopher] How to Escape from Immoral Mazes
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       How to Escape from Immoral Mazes
        
       Author : apsec112
       Score  : 55 points
       Date   : 2020-02-06 19:23 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | FZ1 wrote:
       | > Young people starting out in the labor market often have The
       | Fear that they will never find a job or never find a good job or
       | another good job.
       | 
       | Young people fear it. Older people know it.
       | 
       | > Quit.
       | 
       | Not everyone is a 20-something silicon valley kid with companies
       | falling all over themselves to throw money at them.
       | 
       | Hiring is effectively broken these days - especially in the
       | software world.
       | 
       | If you're not from a top-flight university, maybe a little older,
       | or in any other way less flashy/attractive in the job market, it
       | can take months or sometimes years to get decent job interviews.
       | 
       | You can't just walk away from a decent income because idealism.
        
       | knzhou wrote:
       | > What do you do if you find yourself inside a maze?
       | 
       | > Quit. Seriously. Go do something else. Ideally, do it today.
       | 
       | That's it, right there. The whole article could have been
       | replaced with just that.
       | 
       | I've heard people express the opinion that they have absolutely
       | "no choice" but to work at McKinsey, or some random hedge fund. I
       | don't understand how anybody can reasonably come to that
       | conclusion. The worst case for people like this is making only
       | _medium_ six figures.
        
         | perl4ever wrote:
         | At some point I decided that there's a fundamental difference
         | between working for the government vs. private industry. I'm
         | happy doing much the same thing for the government that I was
         | unhappy doing in private industry or for a government
         | contractor, because it no longer makes sense to give up. To a
         | lot of people, the maze may look the same, but in one case,
         | it's always worth trying to fix, and in the other the whole
         | thing is dispensable.
         | 
         | The maze aspect of a situation, or the immorality aren't really
         | the important things! The thing that matters is whether you
         | have a _purpose_ in participating, to make _anything better_.
         | When a private company is going down the tubes, there 's an
         | inherent non-linear and self-fulfilling type of behavior where
         | people give up when they think others are giving up. It makes a
         | large difference in what can be achieved when giving up is not
         | an option for a significant number of people.
        
         | jandrese wrote:
         | That's practically poverty level after you factor in the
         | Manhattan apartment rent, yacht, private schooling, etc...
        
           | seisvelas wrote:
           | One way to avoid poverty in that case would be to not buy a
           | yacht, for example. Any amount of money is nearly poverty
           | level if you spend it all on luxuries.
           | 
           | Edit: I am dumb and completely missed the joke. Poe's law in
           | action!
        
             | uoaei wrote:
             | That's the joke
        
           | RobRivera wrote:
           | HA! I appreciate your perspective and comment. I'm nearly 3
           | years into wall street and, while on the lower end of the
           | payscale, I KNOW that if I pursue the more ambitious high
           | six, low seven figure lifestyle, I will have to 'play the
           | game'.
           | 
           | People who claim they have no choice but to play the game
           | have already decided they will tolerate it as much as
           | possible.
        
         | lazyasciiart wrote:
         | You should have read the rest of the article. It actually talks
         | about why people say that and how they can work up to quitting.
        
       | kazinator wrote:
       | > _How to Escape from Immoral Mazes_
       | 
       | Keep to the Right at all times?
       | 
       | Or else Left works, too.
       | 
       | Just don't vacillate.
       | 
       | :)
        
         | rantwasp wrote:
         | unless... you run into a moral loop
        
           | gliese1337 wrote:
           | Well, then you weren't in a maze to begin with. Escaping
           | immoral labyrinths is a whole other problem!
        
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