[HN Gopher] The oldest company in almost every country (that is ...
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The oldest company in almost every country (that is still in
business)
Author : vinnyglennon
Score : 66 points
Date : 2020-02-26 19:22 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| dredmorbius wrote:
| Interesting elements to me:
|
| - The prevalence of drinking and dining establishments amongst
| oldest-national businesses.
|
| - And banks / mints / financial institutions.
|
| - The relative youth of oldest-national-businesses in Africa.
| Most notably Equatorial Guinea with Guinea Equatorial Airlines,
| the country's _oldest_ business corporation, founded in 1996.
|
| This suggests either a data artefact in which older going
| concerns are not formally reported (or those reports available),
| or an extreme level of institutional instability.
|
| Possibly both.
| microtherion wrote:
| I suspect the former; that standards applied in various
| countries differ.
|
| E.g. the oldest "company" in Switzerland is Gasthof Sternen
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasthof_Sternen), built around
| 1230, and affiliated with a monastery. Quite possibly the inn
| WAS in continuous operation, but I have doubts as to the
| continuity of the "company" behind it. It appears to have been
| started by the adjacent monastery, which ceased to be a going
| concern in 1841.
| adamsea wrote:
| > an extreme level of institutional instability.
|
| My first guess would be colonialism and its consequences.
| crooked-v wrote:
| For a simple example, here's a map of Africa from just before
| World War I started: https://i.imgur.com/XZU6R0S.jpg
|
| It would be pretty hard for, say, people in the Congo at the
| time to have started or continued lasting businesses when
| they were still getting over the whole "spend eighteen hours
| a day tapping rubber or they'll cut off the hands of everyone
| in your family, and even if you do they'll still kidnap your
| children and put them in schools where half will die of
| disease" thing that had been officially ended only six years
| before, and were still subject to wildly oppressive taxes and
| labor drafts that made getting out from under the weight of
| the Belgian overlords impossible.
| jandrese wrote:
| Also, the pre-colonial population maybe didn't have a culture
| of setting up long running businesses? Sure there would be
| family businesses, but they're be informal affairs. Also, in
| some cases there was no system of writing so no reliable
| records for determining the age of a business.
| yorwba wrote:
| > Guinea Equatorial Airlines, the country's oldest business
| corporation, founded in 1996.
|
| The number looks more like 1962 to me (maybe they changed it).
|
| The actual youngest seems to be South Sudan's Ivory Bank, which
| was only founded in 1994. This is easily explained by the
| country being relatively new.
| mumblemumble wrote:
| Plenty of oldest companies in this map predate the countries
| they're currently in. The The oldest company in Mexico is
| apparently about 300 years older than Mexico, and the oldest
| company in Canada is about 200 years older than Canada.
| [deleted]
| pkaye wrote:
| Ma Yu Ching's Bucket Chicken House in the oldest in China. Never
| would have expected a chicken place to top the list!
| xtracto wrote:
| The "Casa de Moneda de Mexico" year is off by 1 I think (1534),
| or the Wikipedia entry (
| https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_de_Moneda_de_M%C3%A9xico#... )
| is wrong (1535).
|
| Interesting trivia tidbit to know that the oldest company in the
| Americas is actually in Mexico.
| yitchelle wrote:
| Not flippant question, but what is considered as a business?
| dyingkneepad wrote:
| That's a good question, because "Casa da moeda do Brasil" is
| the "company" that actually prints the real money in Brazil.
| It's controlled by the state since forever (although the
| definition of 'state' changed wildly in the last 500 years,
| between colony, empire, dictatorship, republic, etc).
| Steltek wrote:
| It's amusing to consider the common wisdom that restaurants are a
| tough, low margin business yet make up so many of the eldest
| companies. Even if you exceed some threshold to make it to
| maturity, you'd think the statistics on survival would catch up
| with you eventually.
| blakesterz wrote:
| It seems like restaurants/bars make it to a certain age where
| they become part of the fabric of a city/town. They turn into
| those places where "you just gotta go once or twice a year" and
| anytime someone comes in from out of town you take them or tell
| them to go. If I had to guess it's around 25 years. If my
| parents took me there when I was a kid, the restaurant makes it
| on that list. If my grandparents took my parents there, so much
| the better.
| ghaff wrote:
| Such restaurants still usually end up going out of business.
| For example, a lot of the fried seafood warhorses in Boston
| are gone at this point.
|
| Still, if you talk about entire countries, there are often
| going to be some institutions that have at least some sort of
| vague claim to continuous operation/ownership.
| subpixel wrote:
| I wonder if that correlates to the local and affordable
| seafood also having disappeared. There's a limit to the
| number of customers you can attract with calamari and other
| things formerly considered bait.
| odyssey7 wrote:
| A necessary condition for this ranking is that the business'
| offering was valued from the time it started to the present.
| Good food and a nice experience is apparently a timeless
| product category -- although that's far from a sufficient
| condition to have a long-running and profitable business.
| throwaway87lcg6 wrote:
| I imagine there's some advantage to fully owning the land the
| establishment sits on. It's probably much easier to outlast the
| local competition when a lease isn't eating your margins.
| ksec wrote:
| >Restaurants are a tough, low margin business
|
| That is only common today when you have high rent. Most of the
| older business tends own the property ( Like early days
| McDonald ) and it will remain a competitive advantage.
|
| That is of coz assuming your food is good enough.
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| I think that the crown of the oldest running business should go
| to the Roman Catholic Church, which was formally created in 325
| AD, but in practice is a couple of centuries older. It is also
| the first transnational corporation in history.
| joezydeco wrote:
| Longest running CEO, too.
|
| I always thought of the Pope as "COO, Earth Division."
| kubanczyk wrote:
| Nitpicking here, but Rome was a backwater for a long time. That
| business evidently bootstrapped in the Middle East and is
| continued today as the Orthodox Church.
| cmroanirgo wrote:
| Can you clarify on _which_ orthodox church? Greek, Russian
| and Ethiopian all come to mind, but I 'm not aware of a
| general middle eastern one (genuinely curious). Perhaps it
| wasn't called orthodox back then (prior to 300AD)?
| Gusen wrote:
| Attorney General Barr will not resign; not before President Trump
| does. Barr is the same as Mueller, Schiff, Nadler, Pelosi: feign
| opposition to cover the true motive of obstruction to keep Trump
| in power. FBI Deputy Director Wray & Supreme Court Justice Alito
| are on board also. See latest updates. Sorry, this post has been
| removed by the moderators of "Impeachment" Is A Diversion And
| Delay - Part II: Blocking of the "impeachment" witnesses was
| collusion planned before the new year. Listen to an FBI agent's
| disclosure from January 1, 202O here. The President was to resign
| late summer securing election for DNC. See latest updates.
|
| Here is the zip file, which was also made available in the
| 3Jan2O2O update. The file within is VID_20200101_201948.mp3. Turn
| up the volume and put on headphones.
|
| BB10Mp3Footage31Dec1Jan.zip 122.4mb
|
| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXOOhQhHybwky8Z5pGdr9ZXhWpI...
|
| The dialogue about the impeachment starts near the beginning.
| Having Biden in the White House is as good as Trump or anyone
| else in their organization. Obviously Schiff and Nadler pledged
| their allegiance to the organization by raping boys on the
| record, with their task being to drag out an impeachment designed
| to obstruct and delay any real efforts to remove the President,
| thus keeping Trump in power. The witness blocking was to cause an
| apparent uproar delaying things with legal actions until late
| Summer. Soon after, the President would resign, leaving any other
| candidate with not enough time or support to compete with an
| opportunistic Biden, who is as good as Trump or any other
| Illuminati friendly politician in the Presidency.
|
| 170 page PDF [last updated: February|25|2O2O]:
|
| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W...
|
| Previously reported:
|
| \Wag The Dog: first was feigned impeachment hearings meant to
| obstruct, now an attack on Iranians in Iraq. Here is what they
| are trying to distract from & cover up to retain power. $100+
| billion in bribes to the highest offices in this country. 815+
| deaths from child rapes to prove loyalty!
|
| See the latest PDF updates: FBI Director Wray, AG Barr, SoD
| Shanahan, & SoS Pompeo each raped boys and were paid billions in
| bribes for a Soros & Koch funded child rape org. So did Trump &
| his "impeachment" team Nadler,Schiff,Mueller.So did media moguls
| Redstone,Murdoch,Moonves. What are they trying to set up? Who can
| arrest them since they are all bribed and in on it ?
| OKpkpomtrpmv;lkmrw;tm;mb t;lk lkt lktvv wlkrlerv.
|
| Their strategy to stay in every office and obstruct until forced
| to leave no matter what. Feigning impeachment: see page 13O.
|
| \\\if;Download the video/audio file, put on headphones and turn
| up the volume. You will hear these people committing these
| crimes. Audio was broadcast into my apartment by outdated
| surveillance equipment illegally embedded within my walls. This
| very same technology was being used to broadcast me to the
| internet for five years without my consent. I own this footage.
| Please use this to prosecute all found within. Note:: I am
| obliviously speaking throughout the video, and it can be quite
| loud at times relative to the desired content. The are dozens
| more links, including these, that can be found in this PDF that
| was last updated on FEB 24, 2O2O:
|
| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W...
|
| All members of the "Illuminati"; "....an underground organization
| of homosexuals and child rapists..." (from pg 26: Barack Obama
| with Jack Dorsey).
|
| President Donald Trump:
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| Demands a $4 billion dollar bribe here at 10:18am 4thJan2019:
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| 3JanCh3_900-1100.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77...
|
| 3JanCh2_900-1100-avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24f...
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| 3JanCh4_1000-1100.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJ...
|
| President Trump rapes and kills twelve boys, including five boys
| in a "who can rape five boys to death the fastest" game:
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| 14JanCh3_600.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj...
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| 14JanCh2_600-700.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_L...
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| Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi:
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| Accepting a $3 billion dollar bribe at 1033 am on the 17 Jan 2019
| to ensure Asian boys can get through the border at "Monterey"
| undocumented to be raped:
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| 17JanCh3_949-1100.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C...
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| 17JanCh4_1017-1100.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZN...
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| Speaker Nancy Pelosi also "preps" boys with First Lady Melania
| Trump, defined as in she performs oral sex on the boys' penis and
| anus, as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to
| remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be
| raped and then subsequently murdered, for Supreme Court Justice
| Samuel Alito, who apparently decides he would rather just have
| ten billion dollars instead. US Attorney for Western New York
| James Kennedy rapes these boys instead:
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| 12JanCh3_1533-1638.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25...
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| Attorney General William Barr with FBI Deputy Director
| Christopher Wray raped and killed boys for billions in bribes in
| Buffalo, NY on the 17th Jan2019 at 7:50am:
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| 18JanCh4_700mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0...
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| 18JanCh2_700.mp3 gorepqkberqaoper,bqpo,rfbv.
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_o...
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| 18JanCh3_725-.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKI...
|
| Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Secretary of Defense
| Patrick Shanahan each raped and killed boys on 5Jan'19 at 17:39
| for billions in bribes: ;[fver,g.e rsabge
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| 5JanCh2_1721-1818.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02...
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| Leaders of the "impeachment" effort Jerrold Nadler, Robert
| Mueller, and Adam Schiff all rape and kill boys between 11:20pm
| and 1:10am:
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| 14JanCh4_2300-0000.mp3 Nadler starts at about 20 minutes in-
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU...
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| 14JanCh2_2304-2359.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9W...
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| Mueller at 12:25am, next is Schiff starts at 12:55-ish:
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| 15JanCh2_000-100.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62...
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| 15JanCh2_100-200.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_...
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| 15JanCh4_000-100.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2...
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| 15JanCh4_100-200.mp3
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw74...
|
| Complete Media Protection: Lester Holt, of NBC NightlyNews,
| apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 80's, along with
| ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the Porter
| studio in Buffalo, New York on 14Jan2019 at 5:00 am. They both
| rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00 am. Muir starts around
| 5.15am, then Holt about 5:38 am. Multi-billionaire Rupert
| Murdoch, owner of News Corp and also Fox Corporation, takes his
| turn after Holt. Video links below:
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| 14JanCh3_500-601.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX...
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| 14JanCh2_530-600.avi brpeokb btrbe
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1...
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| Adding to the media protection and reason this is not picked up
| by the media, CBS and Viacom owner Sumner Redstone and Leslie
| Moonves rape and kill boys following the President.
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| 14JanCh3_700.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa...
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| 14JanCh2_700-800.avi
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| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY...
|
| 170 page PDF [last updated: Feb|25|2O2O]:
|
| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W...
|
| \\\\. Please repost in USA! Post gets censored in US
|
| Recently more relevant:
|
| From page 49, Senator Mitch McConnell:
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| At 1632 Senator Mitch McConnell checks into the Porter camera
| system inquiring if he can be part of the "eviction" for $10
| million dollars. He is informed by group members that there are
| enough people for the event already and his participation is not
| necessary. At 1634 McConnell states "I fucked 15 kids, how am I
| not getting paid by you?" He is dismissed by Donald Reeves with
| "I think that will be all Mr. McConnell."
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| 13JanCh3_1600-1700.avi
| https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7bqOpvaEWmLiJpMhJNQDrfsQAH...
| dredmorbius wrote:
| Disambiguated source: https://businessfinancing.co.uk/the-oldest-
| company-in-almost...
| dang wrote:
| Ok, we changed to that from https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERtzZoa
| VAAE09Og?format=jpg&name=.... Thanks!
| TheNewAndy wrote:
| I was expecting to see
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avedis_Zildjian_Company for USA. I
| suspect there is always some wiggle room in the definitions of
| "oldest", but wikipedia dates it as earlier than Shirley
| Plantation (and it is also older than the company given for
| Armenia).
| Slikey wrote:
| The oldest company in the world on this chart (Kongo Gumi in
| Japan) is not in Business anymore. It seized operations in 2006
| due to bankruptcy.
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