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Show HN: Helm - A Flutter app that gamifies
stress/anxiety/depression management
Author : chipneverdies
Score : 158 points
Date : 2020-03-18 11:44 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| solarkraft wrote:
| Why don't you provide builds?
| mdolon wrote:
| Seconded, would love to send this to a friend to try out.
| tom-thistime wrote:
| This comment turns out to be a tangent. But has anyone looked at
| whether gamification increases stress/anxiety/depression among
| social app users?
| perchard wrote:
| for:
|
| https://www.amazon.com/SuperBetter-Living-Gamefully-Jane-McG...
|
| https://tim.blog/2015/07/28/jane-mcgonigal/
|
| against:
|
| https://mental.jmir.org/2019/6/e13717/
| mmerlin wrote:
| 99
| tomcam wrote:
| No. The correct answer is "shit on its name" and not to encourage
| people to share cool projects. You fool!
|
| Ed. note: I also upvoted for the same reason
| smoyer wrote:
| I think the (currently top) comment about it's name is actually
| important ... I also wondered why it was named "Helm" once I
| read the title as it didn't seem to fit what the application
| does. But you're right in the sense a more constructive
| activity would be to recommend other names. Wouldn't a name
| like "Relax" or "Exhale" be better in line with "what's in the
| package"? (note that these were the first two names that came
| to mind).
| airstrike wrote:
| I personally would prefer something like Burrito or Ossobuco
|
| /s
| kempbellt wrote:
| I can see it now. The get-togethers where you ask your
| tech-illiterate friends and family, "have you heard of
| Burrito?" and they all look at you funny. As opposed to,
| "have you heard of Helm?", and only that one friend who
| worked on a boat for a summer gets excited that he can add
| something to conversation.
|
| Language needs an upgrade
| smolder wrote:
| I'd be happy with cherry picking out all the
| marketing/semi-literate pop culture influences making a
| mess of it, but that's just as unlikely as any kind of
| upgrade.
| dang wrote:
| Comments like that one are indeed a problem, but adding more
| comments about them makes the problem worse.
|
| If you see something like that sitting at the top of an HN
| thread, you can flag it or let us know at hn@ycombinator.com.
|
| We detached this subthread from
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22617516.
| tomcam wrote:
| Thanks for contributing a nice piece of work particularly
| appropriate for tough times! I've been wanting to learn Dart and
| Flutter on a real-life but manageable project.
| trashface wrote:
| As a person with anxiety and depression, its easy to come up with
| dep/anx fueled narratives about how this could go wrong:
|
| 1) The app might stress me out and make it worse
|
| 2) I might become obsessed with the app and not do stuff I should
| be doing
|
| 3) My employer might get the data somehow and fire me
|
| 4) A future employer might get the data and use it as a reason to
| not hire me
|
| 5) Google might get the data and add it my shadow profile, which
| will then be sold to advertisers. I won't even know and won't be
| able to delete it.
|
| 6) A health insurer will use this as a reason to deny me
| insurance or charge a premium.
|
| Those are just off the type of my head. Don't want to think about
| what my brain would come up with at 3AM.
| matchbok wrote:
| Oof, I thought Flutter was supposed to make programmatic UI more
| readable/easy? body: Stack(
| children: <Widget>[ LayoutBuilder(
| builder: (ctx, constraints) => Container(
| width: double.infinity, height:
| constraints.maxHeight - 67.0, padding: const
| EdgeInsets.fromLTRB(20.0, 20.0, 20.0, 0.0),
| child: Column( mainAxisSize:
| MainAxisSize.min, crossAxisAlignment:
| CrossAxisAlignment.start, children:
| <Widget>[ Column(
| mainAxisSize: MainAxis ....
| tarkin2 wrote:
| You can hide that in a smaller widget called
| SomethingWidget(param:...) to make it more readable.
|
| From my experience, using the above style with its data binding
| is nicer than hunting through XML or whatever GUI you use and
| seeing how that relates to your code.
|
| Easier to navigate and debug. But I agree it can look
| overwhelming if it's not split into smaller widgets.
| merrvk wrote:
| Yikes, that's quite something
| Sileni wrote:
| I built a few apps with it. It starts to feel more streamlined
| once you work in it for a couple days, but whenever I go to
| make an edit it takes me about an hour of saying "what in
| the..." before it starts to click.
|
| What I always wish I had was a better way to create functions
| that build smaller units so I didn't have be so many tabs deep.
| It can be done, but it's not fun or straightforward.
| KaoruAoiShiho wrote:
| How do you like flutter? What are your impressions of the
| platform.
| _underfl0w_ wrote:
| Personally, I wasn't a big fan of having to disable the
| telemetry in the SDK itself - thankfully there was a single,
| small footnote about it in the docs. Not sure what I expected
| from the Goog honestly, but it was enough to put a bad taste in
| my mouth. But hey, M$ does it too with the dotnet core SDK, so
| maybe that's "par for the course" these days. YMMV.
| gdsdfe wrote:
| I would suggest renaming 'anxiety credits' to something else,
| reminding people they have anxiety won't help getting rid of it.
| Funes- wrote:
| We should be able to aid each other, in person, on learning how
| to manage these ailments, which are frequently associated to a
| lack of social fulfillment, as I've personally experienced on
| myself. Gamifying it is literally the last option I would
| recommend to anyone suffering from anxiety, stress or depression,
| as blindly following an app's dictates goes essentially against
| the hard, introspective, and highly critical work one needs to
| put in in order to start leaning towards being at peace with
| oneself.
|
| I'm not even going to elaborate on how the "reward" function is
| plainly ill-conceived, for intance.
|
| Please, talk to those you love about their suffering; talk to
| them about yours. Put yourself in the hands of a professional, if
| you need it. Stop looking for crutches.
| throwit-hey15 wrote:
| When I was in high school, I had social anxiety and a tendency
| to isolate myself. I was also seeing a psychologist at the
| time. One summer, my mom and I decided (with professional
| blessing) that I would get a "point" for every activity I did
| with my friends. It worked, and was actually a big turning
| point for me personally. If nothing else, it became a way for
| us to talk about anxiety in a way that removed some of the
| pressure I was putting on myself and turned it into a game: I
| wasn't failing as a person any more, I was just playing a game.
|
| Please be careful about dismissing an idea so absolutely.
| Everyone is different. Sometimes crutches do help.
| throwaway_pdp09 wrote:
| Nothing wrong with crutches. If they don't work for you don't
| assume them useless to others. Ditto the _" reward" function_
| that @throwit-hey15 used so successfully.
| geoelectric wrote:
| I have an anxiety disorder. Mine's co-morbid with ADHD, but
| even if it weren't ADHD-like symptoms are well-known
| secondaries of anxiety and depression. For people like me,
| gamification helps greatly with incentivizing participation
| until a habit is built. I have no idea if this particular app
| would be what'd do it for me, but you're down on the concept in
| general in a way that doesn't represent my own situation well.
|
| I do hear what you're saying, and nothing replaces social
| interaction, but I think you're making an assumption about this
| being a be-all-end-all. Maybe it would be for some, but those
| are probably the people who wouldn't adequately find in-person
| on their own anyway. Maybe this gets them far enough to do so,
| since just being functional enough to get help in the first
| place is often one of the biggest problems.
|
| On another note, everyone's different. It's one thing to say
| what works for you, but your social fulfillment will likely be
| higher if you don't tell everyone else what will and won't work
| for them.
| gigatexal wrote:
| SEO clash with the popular artifact packager or k8s helm
| baylessj wrote:
| I'm a simple man -- I see an open source Flutter app, I upvote
| it.
|
| Thanks for publishing this, I always appreciate seeing examples
| of full-fledged Flutter apps for reference! The app looks really
| well built and intuitive to use.
| rapnie wrote:
| It is not technically open source, but 'source provided' until
| there is an OSS license provided.
| evv wrote:
| True it may not technically be open source, but certain
| rights are granted because the author published on GitHub,
| according to the ToS:
|
| > If you set your pages and repositories to be viewed
| publicly, you grant each User of GitHub a nonexclusive,
| worldwide license to use, display, and perform Your Content
| through the GitHub Service and to reproduce Your Content
| solely on GitHub as permitted through GitHub's functionality
| (for example, through forking). You may grant further rights
| if you adopt a license. If you are uploading Content you did
| not create or own, you are responsible for ensuring that the
| Content you upload is licensed under terms that grant these
| permissions to other GitHub Users.
|
| https://help.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-
| terms-o...
| TylerE wrote:
| That doesn't grant any meaningful rights at all.
|
| Notably, it doesn't given any right to download or use the
| code.
| chalst wrote:
| I think it does allow download, although it is a little
| unclear; from the previous sentence:
|
| > By setting your repositories to be viewed publicly, you
| agree to allow others to view and "fork" your
| repositories (this means that others may make their own
| copies of Content from your repositories in repositories
| they control).
|
| If I clone a Github repo to my local machine this is
| 'making my own copy in a repository I control'. But this
| clause doesn't grant any further right, e.g., to compile
| code in the repo. This isn't an unheard-of situation:
| e.g., Knuth allows distribution of the TeX source to the
| TeXbook but not compiling the source with a TeX engine.
| TylerE wrote:
| It later clarifies with "through the GitHub Service and
| to reproduce Your Content solely on GitHub as permitted
| through GitHub's functionality (for example, through
| forking)."
|
| That seems to deny any local rights.
| asutekku wrote:
| I don't know, gamifying stress/anxiety management sounds
| extremely stressful.
| airstrike wrote:
| I can't wait to be ranked #1 most stressed in US servers
| cameronfraser wrote:
| Nice idea, but I don't think gamification works in this context.
| https://mental.jmir.org/2019/6/e13717/
| jolmg wrote:
| This project name is so overused.
|
| Helm - The package manager for Kurbenetes
|
| https://helm.sh/
|
| Helm - A functionally reactive game engine
|
| https://github.com/z0w0/helm
|
| Helm - Emacs incremental completion and selection narrowing
| framework
|
| https://emacs-helm.github.io/helm/
|
| Helm - A free polyphonic synth with lots of modulation
|
| https://github.com/mtytel/helm
| brudgers wrote:
| Complaints about names tend to provide little in the way of
| insightful feedback. Changing the name won't move the project
| forward very much if at all. Mostly it's a distraction. Based
| on evidence of multiple successful projects named 'helm'
| listed, there's a good chance it's a good enough name.
| ravenstine wrote:
| Who's heard of those? Should a project have a monopoly on such
| a generic word from the dictionary?
| jolmg wrote:
| Among emacs users, the helm completion framework is also very
| popular.
|
| Among FP enthusiasts, the helm FRP engine is pretty
| interesting, too.
|
| So, at least the first 3 I mentioned are pretty well known in
| their respective communities.
|
| The last one is from the last Show HN I saw for a Helm
| project.
| rorymalcolm wrote:
| Helm for Kubernetes is pretty huge ~17k stars on GitHub and
| nearing an industry standard.
| warent wrote:
| That's not what they're saying at all. Imagine if there was a
| line of blenders called Raspberry Pi, and a furniture line
| called Raspberry Pi, shoes branded as Raspberry Pi, a laptop
| model called Raspberry Pi (unrelated to Raspberry Pi or
| Raspberry Pi), etc. It's just confusing.
| ukabwlsbeux wrote:
| Raspberry Pi is a really unnatural combination of words.
| Helm is a pretty average noun.
| smolder wrote:
| That's exactly why it's a poor choice for a product name.
| It's "greedy" to claim generic words for your products.
| It works for the likes of FAANGs with stuff like "Google
| groups", but at least they're coupling it with their
| brand. To just come out and call your product "Sink" for
| example, with no qualifiers, is foolish and bordering on
| unethical.
| dang wrote:
| This is a fine comment. But could you please stop
| creating accounts for every few comments you post? We ban
| accounts that do that. This is in the site guidelines:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
|
| You needn't use your real name, of course, but for HN to
| be a community, users need some identity for others to
| relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and
| no community, and that would be a different kind of
| forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang%20community%
| 20identity...
| tmitchell wrote:
| Don't forget:
|
| Helm - Personal email/calendar/file/photo server
|
| https://gethelm.com
|
| (FWIW, I love mine)
| [deleted]
| kempbellt wrote:
| Real question:
|
| Who can accurately assess and answer the question: "How anxious
| are you?"?
|
| Just reading this question triggers a bit of anxiety, as I go
| into self-analysis mode to figure out what signs I've been
| exhibiting that may indicate that I am "anxious".
|
| "Well, I have been a bit jittery, so...7? But I just finished a
| coffee, so maybe a 5?"
|
| I would have a very difficult time answering this question
| accurately.
| sli wrote:
| I'm not a fan of the "Buy something nice" one. It seems like it
| might feed a harmful coping mechanism.
| suzakus wrote:
| I suffer from several of the conditions listed in the target
| group, and have done impulse purchases online when the lows get
| low.
|
| Definitely a bad coping mechanism - not helpful for feeling
| better (tend to feel worse when the product arrives), and
| definitely a waste of money.
| dinkleberg wrote:
| I think earning rewards, in general, is kind of an awkward
| thing in an app like this.
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