[HN Gopher] Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and N...
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Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled
races
Author : LiweiZ
Score : 59 points
Date : 2020-03-22 20:46 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| W-Stool wrote:
| As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an
| enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in
| the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a
| simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real
| experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your
| feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply
| overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and the lack of being
| able to see much other than straight ahead. Grand Prix Legends
| and iRacing were/are both tremendous fun and a real achievement -
| but they are nothing like the real thing.
| Igelau wrote:
| Aw shucks. Here I thought it was going to be totally identical.
| scarejunba wrote:
| Haha, right. That comment had literally zero information
| value. Obviously playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 is nothing
| like ollying your skateboard let alone any of the other
| tricks.
|
| Thinly veiled attempt to use online comment forum as a
| personal blog.
| Hamuko wrote:
| > _Obviously playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 is nothing like
| ollying your skateboard let alone any of the other tricks._
|
| Simulator racing is pretty different from Tony Hawk Pro
| Skater 2. There's so much shit that you can buy to get you
| closer to the real deal. Not really so much the case with
| Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2.
|
| https://youtu.be/o1V8QEAdGNM
| DingleDook101 wrote:
| Thanks captain obvious.
| braythwayt wrote:
| Your comment speaks to whether someone who enjoys racing an
| actual car would enjoy the simulation.
|
| But in the context of sports-as-trillion-dollar-entertainment-
| businesses, what is interesting here is not whether simulated
| racing is the same as racing IRL for competitors, but the
| degree to which it is the same for spectators.
| abledon wrote:
| Well... this guy would like a word with you:
| https://interestingengineering.com/a-gamer-just-beat-a-profe...
| notacoward wrote:
| My daughter immediately asked: who's winning? Darn good question,
| and I didn't find an answer in the article (though admittedly I
| skimmed a bit).
| josephpmay wrote:
| In the case of the big Nascar race today, the winner (Hamlin)
| is a professional IRL racer who was discovered in the eSports
| world
| tc313 wrote:
| The gamers are generally faster because the games are not
| perfect simulations of reality.
| lucb1e wrote:
| Or even if they were, the "real" drivers are trained to
| respond to a completely different set of sensations. The
| simulation can be perfect, but when you're sitting still, you
| don't feel things like whether the simulated car is slipping
| at all.
| Scene_Cast2 wrote:
| Well, you feel it but in a different way. People spend a
| lot of money on Force Feedback wheels, with the fancier
| ones running into 4 figures.
|
| Through the wheel, you're expected to feel everything
| including tyre grip, slip, road conditions, etc.
| 6510 wrote:
| The not dying part seems limiting.
| p1necone wrote:
| With force feedback wheels and pressure sensitive brake
| pedals you can get a feel for traction pretty well.
| p1necone wrote:
| Sim accuracy could affect times either way (also some sims
| are pretty darn accurate). I suspect the biggest difference
| is the risk taking aspect. Sim drivers don't have to think
| about safety at all.
| smileysteve wrote:
| They had damage on low, but having watched it, considering
| the damage to the car is important to the finish.
| Jaxkr wrote:
| Professional drivers destroy in simulations like racing.com
| JshWright wrote:
| Professional drivers that also spend a lot of time sim
| racing, that is...
|
| The same is true in this series. Drivers like Max
| Verstappen and Lando Norris (among the best drivers in the
| world) so very well, but they also spend a lot of their
| free time playing these games.
|
| Other world class drivers (Hamilton, Vettel, etc), likely
| wouldn't do anywhere near as well.
|
| Obviously there is some overlap in the skills required, but
| at the end of the day, experience gaming is going to help
| more than more experience in a real car.
| dharmab wrote:
| A few of the real drivers are also highly ranked simmers as
| well. Max Verstappen (one of the best drivers in F1) is
| commonly seen in public iRacing races
| notatoad wrote:
| earlier this week, there was an article about F1 drivers
| playing the codemasters F1 game, and the best pro driver came
| in 8th and seemed pretty happy to have done that well.
|
| the rationale is that driving is not just a challenge of
| operating the controls, but a physical challenge too. when you
| take away the physical aspect, the drivers lose not only the
| advantage of their physical training, but also an important
| input that they use for reactions.
| roamerz wrote:
| This was an invitational. I suspect without any supporting
| evidence that they tried to keep this to to Nascar participants #
| 1 for the familiarity it brings the fans (Go Jr!) but also
| because I doubt a 'real' racer would have won the race had the
| best of the online only competition been allowed to complete. And
| after watching the race it was sadly just as good as a real race.
| They have become quite boring the last few years.
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