[HN Gopher] Talkyard: Open-Source forum software - a StackOverfl...
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Talkyard: Open-Source forum software - a StackOverflow, Reddit,
Disqus hybrid
Author : maelito
Score : 161 points
Date : 2020-03-27 12:29 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| tyingq wrote:
| The ability to function as either a standalone forum, or as a
| disqus style comment add on for an existing blog is neat.
|
| Is there documentation somewhere? I can see it has some kind of
| spam protection by skimming the source code, but I don't see any
| docs.
| mavsman wrote:
| I believe Discourse can do this as well, as least they did
| something like it for a while on their blog posts.
| jasonv wrote:
| I'm in the market for something like this right now... a
| reddit/discourse hybrid.
|
| Will check this out.
| KajMagnus wrote:
| Then maybe you'd find this interesting:
| https://www.talkyard.io/-32/how-hacker-news-can-be-
| improved-... _" How Hacker News [or Reddit] can be improved"_
|
| (If / when you find things that don't work like you want, I'd
| be happy for any feedback: https://www.talkyard.io/forum/ )
| vthriller wrote:
| Re: finding new comments, I've seen another solution on one
| of the news site forums that I quite liked: messages are
| folding individually (i.e. only content is hidden but not
| the children), and when you enter the thread through the
| "new" link, only new messages are shown in an unfolded
| state.
| jasonv wrote:
| Thanks for the links. Will dig in more.
|
| I'm looking to build a forum/discussion for a non-technical
| audience with some of the policies that HN has implemented
| well... community will be non-monetized, but it'll be
| connected to a separate, sponsoring monetization channel.
|
| I've not actually spent a lot of time on a Discourse forum,
| but have liked some of the plug-ins they support, and the
| wiki topic element, the ability to theme it, and the
| ability to limit or lock categories based on karma and
| groups. FYI on where I'm coming from.
| KajMagnus wrote:
| Sorry, there is barely any documentation yet.
|
| What things would you want me to focus on, when adding
| documentation?
|
| (How would you like to use it / maybe integrate with sth else?)
| tyingq wrote:
| No worries. I was just curious, having done some forum admin
| in the past...how you approached spam. I would guess a
| "getting started" doc would be the #1 priority. Especially
| since the server is Scala, and many may not have worked with
| a JVM.
| KajMagnus wrote:
| Getting started, from the point of view of a site admin /
| moderator?
|
| (Rather than how to install the software? For that I hope
| the readme file works ok.)
|
| Hmm, you mentioned Scala and the JVM -- I'm wondering if
| you have in mind "Getting started" with editing the source
| code
|
| (I'm curious about what forum software you used in the
| past, as an admin, and how did you like it?)
| shalabhc wrote:
| I've been using the hosted version of this
| (https://www.talkyard.io) on a blog for a while and have been
| very satisfied. I like how the threaded discussion looks, and
| also like the live preview edit box which works well for long
| form comments.
| vthriller wrote:
| I'm not a fan of the style that threaded discussions have (too
| much padding, and I'm not sure about arrows too), but I always
| wanted to experiment with that sort of arrangement of messages,
| where long chain of one-on-one replies does not get pushed to
| the right but instead have some sort of linear representation.
| Will definitely have a closer look on that software.
|
| Edit: what this implementation of threads lacks though is an
| ability to fold all sibling messages before the one that I'm
| interested in, so that I can have a quick look at the context
| and avoid a lot of manual scrolling and folding myself. Most
| implementations (like here on HN for instance) only do folding
| of child messages, which I personally find a bit less useful.
| bearjaws wrote:
| Love the idea overall, at my job we have a total mess of Jira +
| Gitlab + Confluence + Confluence Questions + Sharepoint +
| Mattermost.
|
| I believe there are efficiency gains to be had from having a
| unified platform that is self hosted.
| pepemon wrote:
| Have a look at JetBrains Space.
| apocalyptic0n3 wrote:
| Space looks super promising, but I looked at the EAP in late
| January and it seemed far from ready for actual use. It
| seemed like it needed another year in development to flesh
| everything out. I really hope it comes together like they
| plan for it to. It'd be nice to switch from our stack of
| Redmine, 2 instances of GitLab, Slack, and a custom wiki
| solution.
| KajMagnus wrote:
| And emails too? :- )
|
| Looking at your list of tools, seems to me GitLab will stay
| "forever", and... Mattermost is probably always going to be a
| better chat,
|
| I'm thinking maybe a Mattermost + Talkyard (+ Gitlab?)
| integration somehow, could make sense
|
| What about Sharepoint, you use it for document management?
| sandGorgon wrote:
| why does the code use reactjs AND jquery ?
| https://github.com/debiki/talkyard/blob/master/package.json
| castis wrote:
| My blind guess is; one hand not know what the other is doing.
|
| Ive left projects and come back to find the developer between
| had done things like, pull in a library to handle slideshows
| when one already existed. Things like that.
| KajMagnus wrote:
| It doesn't use or load jQuery any longer,
|
| however the dependency was still there ... Now I'm removing
| it.
|
| In the beginning, there was only jQuery. .... Then, for a
| while, there was also Angular, and for a short while, a tiny
| bit Angular Dart (I got on the hype train?).
|
| Then, there was a month removing all Angular things, and
| switching to React. And then ... Another month removing all
| jQuery things.
|
| There's still a disabled way of laying out a discussion in
| 2D, using the full width of the screen (nice with a 30''
| monitor :- )) and then, for horizontal scrolling, jQuery was
| used. But all this 2D stuff is disabled nowadays (I like the
| 2D layout but it's a rarely used power user feature and I was
| too short of time so had to disable it).
|
| (The reason I removed jQuery, and use React only, was to
| improve performance -- just parsing and executing the 30 kb
| min.js.gz jQuery bundle took maybe half a second? on mobile
| phones.)
| alharith wrote:
| What? Is this really controversial? Sometimes you need a UI
| library, sometimes you need really quick interactivity to
| toggle a menu. I use alpine.js on my marketing pages, and I use
| vue/svelte within sections of my app.
| sandGorgon wrote:
| the problem is that react and jquery both need ownership of
| the DOM. if you have code that mixes them, it is recipe for
| disaster. subtle hidden bugs start creeping up.
| KajMagnus wrote:
| And performance, see my other comments nearby (jQuery now
| gone).
| dceddia wrote:
| Using them on separate pages is fine, but using React and
| jQuery on the same page is usually not a good idea since
| React needs to "own" its slice of the DOM and changing things
| in there with jQuery could cause weird bugs.
|
| But anyway, it's impossible to tell from just the
| package.json file whether React and jQuery are being used on
| the same page, or just both used in different parts of the
| app.
| KajMagnus wrote:
| Now jQuery is gone (see my other reply just nearby, in this
| same comments tree).
|
| Actually, when I was starting with React, then for a while
| Talkyard did use both jQuery and React on the same pages
| (not a good idea, I agree). I was careful to avoid the bugs
| you have in mind from happening, so that wasn't a problem,
|
| however, loading & using both libs wasn't good for
| performance -- just parsing and executing the 30 kb
| min.js.gz jQuery bundle took maybe half a second? a second?
| on mobile phones, back at the time (2.5 years ago).
| KajMagnus wrote:
| Alpine.js looks nice, didn't know about it. Light-weigth
| React/Vue/etc for just 7 kb :- )
|
| I use Bliss.js, https://github.com/LeaVerou/bliss for some
| parts of Talkyard nowadays, where React would be too much.
| Bliss.js is sth like 3 kb min.js.gz. (But jQuery itself is
| gone nowadays, it was too large.)
| mavsman wrote:
| Have you worked on Discourse as well or just borrowing heavily
| from their styles because you like them?
| KajMagnus wrote:
| > Have you worked on Discourse
|
| No
|
| > because you like them?
|
| Yes (the software, ... and the company & founders & employees I
| like too, & their visions)
| akvadrako wrote:
| If only it was also a wiki.
| KajMagnus wrote:
| It can work as a wiki, if one edits the per category security
| settings, which look like so: These people:
| [All Members v] may do this: :
| [ ] Edit other people's topics [ ] Edit others'
| comments [x] Edit one's own stuff [ ]
| Delete others' topics : :
|
| This: ` [All Members v] ` is a choose-group dropdown. There're
| custom groups and trust level groups, e.g. Full Members and
| Trusted Members.
| miker64 wrote:
| Gets points with me for honesty in the comparisions page
| (https://www.talkyard.io/compared-with)
| KajMagnus wrote:
| Thanks. (I suppose it's still a bit biased -- not so easy for
| me to be completely impartial.)
|
| (And also I'm less familiar with those other tools; there're
| good things about them that I don't know about)
| einpoklum wrote:
| That's not a FOSS StackOverflow, it's a cross between several
| platforms.
|
| For those interested, There's already another initiative for a
| free, non-commercial, community-governed StackExchange
| alternative, called codidact: https://codidact.org/
|
| I don't know that it's good (or bad), I just know there's been
| planning work going on around it, following the recent upheavals
| and resignations on the StackExchange network.
| closeparen wrote:
| Mamute is a FOSS StackOverflow: https://www.mamute.org/
| kossae wrote:
| Looking at that homepage, I have zero idea about what it does
| or even looks like. It seems to be all mission statement fluff
| and no description of the actual tool.
| einpoklum wrote:
| It's still in a very early stage. But there's a forum with a
| bunch of activity, and it sounds like people are writing
| code.
| aklemm wrote:
| Anyone know how the self-hosting experience is? Also whether it
| has Activity Pub support? If this reaches it's potential, it
| would be great if it were part of the Fediverse.
| yamrzou wrote:
| Looks great. Does it have multilingual support?
|
| A few remarks:
|
| - It would be nice to have a button to collapse replies for a
| given comment, but not the comment itself.
|
| - On mobile (andoid), it is bit laggy.
|
| Thank you for open-sourcing.
| KajMagnus wrote:
| There's multilingual support yes, and user contributed out-of-
| date translations to Brazilian Portuguese, Russian and Polish
|
| (I keep adding new buttons and labels, and renaming things, so
| the translations get out-of-date / fallback to English.)
|
| There's RTL support but no Arabic / Hebrew / etc translations
| yet.
|
| * * *
|
| > It would be nice to have a button to collapse replies for a
| given comment, but not the comment itself
|
| Yes :- ) Do you mean 1) for yourself only, or 2) for all site
| visitors (so those replies would be collapsed by default, for
| everyone) ?
|
| Actually there was a feature for 2, in the past, but it's
| disabled now though. The database fields are still there, plan
| to make that code work again some time in the future. (Then you
| could manually "curate" a discussion, by collapsing all replies
| to certain posts, to make the reading experience better for
| your site visitors.)
|
| * * *
|
| Can I ask which Android version and phone do you use? -- I
| optimized Talkyard a while ago, by looking in Chrome Dev Tools,
| but this was on my laptop.
|
| What things lag the most? (Some specific button(s) or animation
| or scrolling or ... ?)
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