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Show HN: Introvert - Generative artwork to keep you off your phone
Author : ilyayudanov
Score : 217 points
Date : 2020-03-27 14:32 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (iamintrovert.co)
(TXT) w3m dump (iamintrovert.co)
| LeoTinnitus wrote:
| Step 1: minimize or remove social media from phone. Only keep
| messenger apps.
|
| Step 2: remove all apps and games that require you to use it
| daily for some sort of reward.
|
| Step 3: eliminate any or all notifications save for messages,
| email, phone, or automated alerts for particular things (like
| slickdeals or stocks).
|
| Step 4: treat your phone as a tool, not an entertainment machine.
| mdre wrote:
| I try to do it, but then I end up using websites, log out, then
| log in after some time and get hooked on again... I used to
| have a blocker app acting as a pseudo VPN on iOS but I just
| turned it off constantly.
| em-bee wrote:
| on the contrary, i treat my phone as an entertainment device so
| that my computer isn't used for that. i used to read hackernews
| on the computer, but i found that if i read it on the phone
| instead, i don't get distracted when i am working on the
| computer. i can put the phone and all distractions in it away
| more easily than i can put the computer away.
| yingw787 wrote:
| I purchased a Kitchen Safe for $50 and lock my phone up 14-15
| hours a day. In an emergency, I can smash the safe for $50 and
| get my phone out. Works wonders for productivity.
| reimertz wrote:
| I investigated where the generation if images where created. Took
| me some time but it comes from a forked repo from long ago. :)
|
| Here is the code: https://github.com/Elf2707/react-native-image-
| processor/blob...
| boromi wrote:
| is there an android version?
| rosstex wrote:
| Cute!
| qwertygerty wrote:
| Love it, please do an android version!
| ilyayudanov wrote:
| Thanks! We'll figure out android soon.
| Random_ernest wrote:
| Do you have something like a mailing list for when it is
| ready?
| ilyayudanov wrote:
| Just added form to the bottom of the website. Thanks for
| pointing out.
| swayvil wrote:
| I like your thing.
|
| I posted it to http://reddit.com/r/generative
|
| Are you familiar?
| wpietri wrote:
| Oooh! I have long wanted something like this, something both
| compelling and soothing. When I've been doing something intense,
| it's hard for me to shift my mind into a lower gear; I often find
| myself back on Twitter or rummaging through the news. This seems
| like a great alternative.
|
| Edit: Oh no! IOS only!
| ilyayudanov wrote:
| I'll added waiting list to the bottom of the webpage. Since
| it's react native we probably can figure out android version
| quite fast.
| wpietri wrote:
| Thanks! I've put myself on it. In the meantime, I dug an
| iPhone 6 out of my test device box to try it out. It's
| wonderful! Exactly the bridge I want between busy-busy and
| sitting to meditate. 5 stars, and I wrote you a review!
| tyingq wrote:
| The source says it compiles for Android.
| https://github.com/IamIntrovert/Introvert
| ilyayudanov wrote:
| Hi! Thank you for your interest. We will release android
| version soon:)
| jrrrr wrote:
| https://www.binky.rocks/
| imhoguy wrote:
| That could be a good way to learn new foreign language words.
| chrisshroba wrote:
| Check out Forest!
|
| https://www.forestapp.cc/
| sakekasi wrote:
| A little more padding for the top buttons to distance them from
| the notification bar a little would be great!
| bawana wrote:
| hmmm....subliminal mind control
| hestefisk wrote:
| Love it!
| swayvil wrote:
| It's like you are co-opting reality here. An alternative to the
| phone-dream presented within that very dream.
| stared wrote:
| I got touched by:
|
| > The app is free.
|
| > No in-app purchases.
|
| > No advertising.
|
| > We do not collect your data.
|
| > Use the code in any way.
| skrebbel wrote:
| This looks like a lovely way to replace a pomodoro timer and
| similar.
|
| I assume there are no plans for an Android version?
| nemacol wrote:
| "Attention, the ability to pay it and where it is directed, is
| the most valuable tool..."
|
| Oh snap, the MOST valuable tool. Shit. ADD is really holding me
| back.
| laurieg wrote:
| Nice! Looking forward to the android version.
|
| Small nitpick: change "an unique" to "a unique".
| afita wrote:
| I use Forest (https://www.forestapp.cc/) which does something
| similar: plants virtual trees (you can pay to plant real ones
| too) for every time interval when you stayed focused.
|
| I will also try this one when the Android version appears. The
| generative artwork makes it very compelling.
| airstrike wrote:
| > plants virtual trees (you can pay to plant real ones too) for
| every time interval when you stayed focused.
|
| One of my many pet-projects-I'll-never-implement is creating
| one of these addicting Facebook-driven social games like
| Farmville (I have no idea what it's modern equivalent is) and
| instead of distributing profit from ad revenue / in-app
| purchases, donate all of it to an NGO that does IRL whatever
| people are doing online. So if planting an in-game tree
| generates $0.02 in profit from ad revenue / in-app purchases
| (after operating expenses, taxes, capex, etc) and planting a
| tree in real life costs $20, the NGO would plant one real tree
| after users plant 1,000 online trees
|
| I think it's a killer idea for a socially-conscious app and I
| think users would feel incentivized to play this over any of
| the stupid casual online games with no positive real-life
| implications.
| bcyn wrote:
| > I think users would feel incentivized to play this over any
| of the stupid casual online games with no positive real-life
| implications
|
| With all due respect, I think this is wrong. People play
| games that are fun, regardless of real-life implications. If
| you can make a fun game that is socially-conscious, more
| power to you. But socially-conscious by itself does not make
| a killer game.
| airstrike wrote:
| Right, I'm starting from the assumption that it would be as
| much fun as Farmville
| kjhughes wrote:
| Cool program. Thanks creating and open sourcing (MIT),
| @ilyayudanov!
|
| Built with React Native. Source here:
| https://github.com/IamIntrovert/Introvert
| shujito wrote:
| I found a glitch/bug: you can accidentally go back to the launch
| screen (with no way to go forward other than force-closing the
| app) if you swipe near from the edge right below or above the
| number scroller/selector.
| ilyayudanov wrote:
| Hey! Thank you for your interest and comments!
|
| Just a bit of background thinking.
|
| The app named Introvert is a generative artwork aimed to help you
| stay off your phone. Right now we're being asked to lead a
| sedentary life (for the sake of others and our own wellbeing).
| Only the mind is allowed to wonder.
|
| I wish Introvert can help us lead a focused everyday where
| mindful practise will direct us to make the most of these strange
| days a head.
|
| It's rather experiment/art project then productivity app:)
|
| Introvert is free and open source.
|
| Please have a try, I would love to hear any feedback!
| virgil_disgr4ce wrote:
| I don't think I understand the use of the word "Introvert."
| That, to me, has nothing at all to do with focus or attention
| or lack thereof? I suppose there could be a suggestion of
| _introspection_ , but that also has nothing to do necessarily
| with introversion other than the same prefix.
| redivysoft wrote:
| Great app, I love the ethos.
|
| It would work wonderfully on Apple Watch to show the art being
| drawn, it's even the correct aspect ratio.
| marcod1419 wrote:
| I agree, this would look amazing on the watch.
| callmeed wrote:
| I don't get what introvert has to do with focus.
|
| Besides that, if you really need to stay off your phone, consider
| a "distraction free" phone as outlined in the book _Make Time_ by
| Jake Knapp. Its a solid book but you can also glean that part of
| it from his blog:
|
| https://medium.com/make-time/six-years-with-a-distraction-fr...
|
| His version might be extreme for some. At the very least disable
| all notifications (save maybe texts from your SO/children) and
| delete social media apps.
| ragle wrote:
| > I don't get what introvert has to do with focus.
|
| A common object of attention for Samatha (one-pointed
| concentration / tranquility) practice is a Mandala or Kasina.
|
| The copy on the site and the mandala-like art the app generates
| leads me to believe the author hopes people can use the app for
| this (or a non-Buddhist equivalent concentration practice).
|
| I just did a 10 minute session. It's excellent for this
| purpose!
| pawurb wrote:
| I've switched to a "dumb phone" over 2 years ago and I have no
| plans of turning back. I've recently published a piece about it
| https://pawelurbanek.com/mobile-internet-addiction-focus
| swampthing wrote:
| Just curious, why is this named "Introvert"? Is it that this app
| is thought to be more appealing to introverts?
| s_y_n_t_a_x wrote:
| I took it as instead of texting, or checking social media,
| you're alone with your own thoughts.
|
| For people who want something to do with their phone when
| they're bored, but hate social stuff.
| mkagenius wrote:
| Hey, If you are the author, the design details are not visible in
| the video (I am on my mac), I mean the details aren't visible.
| Maybe edit the video to zoom on the design when it starts
| generating for a few seconds?
| ilyayudanov wrote:
| Hey, thank you, for letting me know! We'll look into it.
| xwdv wrote:
| I have found that all these distraction elimination apps are
| ultimately useless once their novelty wears off.
|
| The only truly lasting way I found to stay off my phone is to
| wear an Apple Watch and leave my phone at home.
| Funes- wrote:
| I don't think setting up a timer _on the very device that is
| distracting you_ will significantly help you stay away from it,
| especially on psychological terms. I reckon it will make you
| dependent on your phone as well, but in a different sense.
|
| In my opinion, the development of deeply-rooted discipline and
| self-control must primarily--even exclusively--come from one's
| will, at all times and at all levels, in order to be successful.
| Otherwise, what are you going to do if you cannot access the app
| for whatever reason? We need to aspire to have a firm will, not a
| straightened one (by whomever or whatever external).
| jolleyboy wrote:
| I feel like this argument is equivalent to discouraging someone
| from training for a marathon on a treadmill.
| SyrupThinker wrote:
| To me the argument is the equivalent of trying to stop eating
| fast food by asking a friend to come over everyday with fast
| food.
| w0m wrote:
| the problem isn't the fast-food, but the health of the fast
| food. proper comparison would be trying to stop eating fast
| food by only having healthy food around the house.
| sonicggg wrote:
| That's my argument against two - factor authentication, which
| is spreading like herpes across workplaces. I like having my
| phone off and far from me during work hours, but 2FA made it
| impossible.
| Kalium wrote:
| The security gains of multi-factor authentication are
| significant. They are so large that choosing to forego them
| might at this point in time be deemed negligence. That said,
| you're absolutely correct that it's wildly unreasonable that
| so many of them require you to make use of your personal
| phone - which you are wisely and responsibly trying to ignore
|
| Fortunately, there are a lot of good ways to do 2FA that
| don't rely on your personal phone! A second device, physical
| RSA tokens, and U2F keys are all viable options that let you
| both be responsible by ignoring your phone _and_ be safer.
| Some password managers will also do your TOTP code
| generation.
| cercatrova wrote:
| Could you run an emulator that uses an authenticator app? Or
| you could get a physical authenticator fob perhaps.
| paedubucher wrote:
| That's why I started using a second phone just for the Google
| Authenticator App at the workplace. If your authentication
| does not rely on SMS, you don't even need a SIM card.
| mandelbrotwurst wrote:
| An imperfect solution for you might be a cheap device that
| you only use for 2FA.
| Finnucane wrote:
| I think what it means is not 'away from phone' but 'away from
| social media distractions'. Hence the name. But yeah, you
| shouldn't need an app to take you away from other apps. You
| could just turn off those apps.
| keenmaster wrote:
| Was Odysseus a fool for tying himself to a mast to avoid the
| temptation of the sirens?
|
| An underrated element of self-control is designing your
| environment to achieve the outcomes you want.
| afterburner wrote:
| I mean, if it was the mast tempting him, it might have been
| ill-advised...
| Funes- wrote:
| You do realize that you're comparing the _literally
| insurmountable_ chant of a fictional, fantastic entity to
| something that _can_ be overcome, right? I know it 's an
| analogy, but I don't think it can possibly apply here.
|
| Of course adding friction to bad habits is generally going to
| make it harder for you to indulge in them, the same way that
| removing friction can make it easier to engage in healthy
| habits. Nonetheless, the _primary_ element of self-control
| must _always_ come from oneself, in the moment. I know, since
| I 've gone out of my way to remove many "blocking" systems
| too many times.
| keenmaster wrote:
| You're right, it's not a perfect analogy. Odysseus had a
| simple, binary action he could take to avoid the sirens
| altogether, and that action did not otherwise hinder his
| journey. You can't say the same about the social & leisure
| parts of the internet (social media, Netflix, MMOs,
| etc...). One example: Screen Time on iOS does not
| completely block the specified websites and apps. It
| politely suggests that you stop wasting your time. Odysseus
| had it easy.
|
| One can replace their smartphone with a basic flip phone,
| but that would forsake all the good uses of the smartphone.
| This is where we get into the nature of free will. How much
| free will does the average person really have in the face
| of these addicting platforms? They're all designed
| specifically to preempt your self-control. Moreover,
| because they drove so many people to abandon their self-
| control, they normalized binging. It is part of our
| cultural fabric. The sirens aren't alien mermaids, they're
| our friends.
|
| People need the freedom to say _No_. No, I don 't need any
| more than 30 minutes of social media a day. No, I don't
| ever want to watch more than 1 episode per day during the
| workweek on Netflix. Etc... These commitments need to be
| binding, and the marginal cost of dropping them should be
| higher than the marginal benefit in all but the most
| legitimate scenarios. You're free to say "no" now, but it's
| an empty commitment without technological controls that do
| not currently exist.
|
| My final thought relates to the availability bias. Leisure
| is more available than ever. Almost anything you want is a
| tap away. In contrast, productivity goals are notoriously
| unavailable. Sure, you can break your work into tiny steps,
| but those steps become increasingly abstract and divorced
| from the end result, which may nonetheless be 6 months
| away. You'll also consistently underestimate the damage,
| length, and frequency of "one more break" and overestimate
| your ability to reach that goal in 6 months at your current
| pace (overconfidence effect). We have a lot to gain from
| making leisure less attainable and productivity more
| tangible.
| chrisshroba wrote:
| I disagree - often adding a barrier to entry can help a lot.
| For example, I've found Forest app [1] to be successful at
| stopping me from using my phone as a time waster when I start
| to seek a distraction.
|
| [1] https://www.forestapp.cc/
| Funes- wrote:
| You've posted twice on this thread, and both comments
| contained that link. That's getting very close to spamming.
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