[HN Gopher] Finland adds the demoscene as a UNESCO intangible wo...
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Finland adds the demoscene as a UNESCO intangible world cultural
heritage
Author : adunk
Score : 879 points
Date : 2020-04-15 12:34 UTC (10 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (demoscene-the-art-of-coding.net)
(TXT) w3m dump (demoscene-the-art-of-coding.net)
| abductee_hg wrote:
| hopefully this will help w/ things like this:
|
| https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=11891&page=1
| tibbydudeza wrote:
| I used to own an Amiga ... good times.
| ddingus wrote:
| Oh this is such a good move! I love the demo scene, and it is
| cultural heritage for sure. Long live the scene, and we all
| really should participate at least once.
| dfc wrote:
| What is a "national UNESCO list"? I can't tell if it's a bad
| translation or just a misappropriation of UNESCO.
| schoen wrote:
| I think that UNESCO members maintain their own lists of
| cultural heritage, and then they can also nominate some of
| those to be on the UNESCO international lists.
|
| The linked article from the linked article says
|
| > The Ministry of Education and Culture has inscribed 12 new
| elements on the National Inventory of Living Heritage. The
| National Inventory, which adheres to UNESCO's Convention for
| the Safeguarding of the Intangible Cultural Heritage, currently
| comprises a total of 64 elements. The Finnish Heritage Agency
| is responsible for the implementation of the Convention in
| Finland.
|
| So I think the idea is that under this treaty, each country
| does have its own lists, which are maintained following rules
| and principles created by UNESCO, but where the content doesn't
| have to be approved by other member states.
|
| What I saw elsewhere in this thread is that Finland is
| currently nominating sauna culture to be added to the
| international list at the December UNESCO meeting. But I think
| that requires a consensus of other countries, where these
| twelve additions (including the demoscene) don't -- the Finnish
| government concluded on its own that they meet UNESCO's
| criteria for being significant enough _in Finland_ to be
| publicly recognized and protected.
| bane wrote:
| This is fantastic in so many ways. As a demoscener going back to
| the early 90s, I know myself and other people in the scene enjoy
| the extraordinary value the scene provides us. I think just as
| important is that among other intangible assets around the world,
| the demoscene is particularly vibrant -- with tens (maybe
| hundreds) of thousands of people participating, enjoying, or at
| least knowing about the scene.
|
| It's a big source of innovation, an amazing social activity, and
| has quietly just _done_ things for years that were thought to not
| be possible, or to be very very hard. It definitely has it 's own
| culture, way of doing things, ideas, ethos, philosophy, and most
| importantly, is constantly evolving. It's amazingly aware of
| what's to come as well as effortlessly incorporating its own
| heritage.
|
| Believe it or not it's around half a century old and going
| strong!
| pjmlp wrote:
| I loved being part of it in the early days, have most of hugi
| collected somewhere, the endless hours with Protracker made me
| a fan of electronic music, during the .com day Nectarine was my
| online streaming radio, and it was my path into graphics
| programming.
|
| Great community!
| skrebbel wrote:
| Cool, what was/is your handle?
| pjmlp wrote:
| I used moondevil, not sure if anything from those floppies
| survived, it was just done in these small get together
| parties during Amiga/MS-DOS heyday.
|
| My bible was "PC Intern: System Programming : The
| Encyclopedia of DOS Programming Know How", as I happened to
| be the only one in the gang with a PC.
| vardump wrote:
| Old scener here. But those are days past, and I prefer it that
| way. Did learn C64 and Amiga inside out. Was there at Assembly
| to see Second Reality when it won the compo. Good times. :-)
| bemmu wrote:
| The year you saw that must have been when Assembly was still
| held at a school?
|
| I was one year too late to be there, but saw it at the next
| Assembly when someone I met there was in disbelief upon
| hearing that I hadn't seen it and insisted he show it to me
| immediately.
| vardump wrote:
| Yup. It was held at a school in Kerava, near Helsinki
| Finland.
| unixhero wrote:
| Demo scene parties are ongoing globally. They are not past.
| vardump wrote:
| Didn't suggest so. Although I have to say I prefered how it
| was back then. No gaming apart from floppy throwing compo.
| :-)
| thunkymonkey wrote:
| I know Assembly now has the reputation of primarily being
| a gaming party, but the only games I've ever seen at
| other demoparties have been compo entries for oldschool
| hardware.
| Digit-Al wrote:
| I can see how your statement could be misinterpreted, it
| was slightly ambiguous. I did, upon careful reading,
| realise you probably meant that it was in your past and
| you were happy not to go back, but saying "in the past"
| rather than "in my past" made it sound a little as if you
| were dismissing the scene in general as being in the past
| - and possibly irrelevant.
|
| Hope that helps clear up the misunderstanding between
| yourself and previous poster :-)
| vardump wrote:
| Thanks, you're right. I do still occasionally follow
| 8-bit and 68k Amiga & Atari demoscene. https://pouet.net
| FTW!
|
| Sadly I no longer own genuine hardware. Maybe I'll buy
| C64 and Amiga once again one day...
| unixhero wrote:
| Still you're off. There is no gaming on real contemporary
| demoparties.
| exlurker wrote:
| This weekend I was lucky enough to witness Revision 2020
| demo compos on Twitch. It was really a warming experience,
| as I'm an old-gen scener myself. Still some familiar names
| (e.g. Jogeir, Romeo Knight) out there producing top-notch
| stuff!
| posterboy wrote:
| > It's a big source of innovation
|
| that's enthusiasticly true, it is somewhat big and it is the
| source of some innovation, maybe. But it isn't a research
| center by any measure.
|
| People working in research might contribute, and that's nearly
| always awesome when it happens. But the roots of the demoscene
| are slightly more humble, between game producers, the cracking
| scene, teenage engineers and bed room musicians, the scene
| remained rather conservative. Oh I like to ramble, like the
| lamer that I am. I don't even know what the scene!? The scene
| is dead!!1
|
| Also, "intangible" by definition means it never produced
| tangible results ;)
| theandrewbailey wrote:
| I was under the impression that 'intangible' means 'not
| physical'.
| 867-5309 wrote:
| it does, the other definition is not an accepted definition
| rendall wrote:
| It was a pun, I'm sure.
| pornel wrote:
| Amiga demoscene has introduced me to the electronic music,
| cutting-edge 3D graphics, and generative art. And it's been
| inspiring that such cool things can be written by small groups
| of amateurs.
|
| I'm super happy it has got recognition.
| isaacn wrote:
| The demoscene was one of the things that got me into programming
| in the mid 90's. I think it is awesome that it is being
| recognized in this way... youtube link to Future Crew Tribute for
| pure nostalgia:)
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yzzg19MvHA&list=PLE_ArT5Ajr...
| bhouston wrote:
| Hilarious. I wouldn't have expected that ever to happen.
|
| So much talent in the Finish scene and they were so good at
| advertizing their accomplishments in a way that was energizing to
| fellow nerds.
|
| It was the biggest reason I ended up getting so deep into
| computer graphics -- I wanted to be as "cool" as they were. How
| else could you be "cool" by sitting at your computer BBS chatting
| all night doing math and algorithms? Such an awesome time.
|
| I know that mrdoob of three.js also got into coding via the
| demoscene.
|
| (My old 1990's era demo scene stuff:
| https://benhouston3d.com/#High_School-Era_and_Earlier_Projec...
| https://hornet.scene.org/cgi-bin/scene-search.cgi?search=Azu... )
| ionwake wrote:
| I always had a man crush on mr doob as I spent years on
| three.js hoping he would notice my stuff but I never got around
| to publishing any of it I even spent 5 years on a three.js game
| Im still hoping to release
| comfymatrix wrote:
| I love the demoscene. I've been trying to get into it for some
| time now but it's actually hard in terms of that are _very_
| little if any resources aimed at beginners and demo examples
| _and_ tutorials.
|
| The resources I've found are either incomplete or assume one is
| already familiar with the domain.
|
| I understand graphics to the extent I've written a raytacer and a
| "semi-caster", but can't find my foot in demos, especially
| translating my existing graphics knowledge to ASM.
|
| Anyone have any resources or information I may have missed?
| loveJesus wrote:
| Praise the Lord, I found https://in4k.github.io/wiki/win32 to
| have useful links. Particularly Compofiller studio is quite
| easy to get started with and rather well done. To make a final
| compressed executable takes a couple of steps, where you have
| to switch the mode and minify the shader code which is on the
| Compofiller UI before creating the executable. If you can do
| some coding on shadertoy.com it is rather easy to transfer to a
| production here.
|
| For the music, a suggestion would be to download the free
| version of renoise.com which is full featured and works fine
| for making demos. It is a good piece of software and worth the
| amount they ask for the full version if you can do it too i
| think. And then download the http://4klang.untergrund.net/
| 4klang vst and use it with Renoise. You set up multiple
| instruments that link to the same instance of the VST instead
| of multiple instances of the VST and use different channels for
| each instrument (basically use the version that shows up top
| after you create one instance) and you can start by loading one
| of the preset patches included with 4klang. You record the
| songs in the 4klang vst and then put the generated files in the
| compofiller studio project directory and once it recompiles it
| has your new song.
|
| I played around with this for the release i helped make for
| revision 2020 ( https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85364 glsl
| source included ) Glory to Jesus, After this you can go lower
| level with the other 4k tutorials learning how to integrate
| with other assemblers or perhaps C++ compilers including Visual
| Studio community edition. It is possible to make even 4ks in C.
| If you want to get started in assembler i would recommend
| starting with the 256byte intros in a freedos installation.
| While I included source code in a 256byte that was presented at
| revision, i would start out with other tutorials.
|
| Start out by researching some basic instructions to be able to
| set memory in a loop to a pointer in es:di. The basic
| instructions to set memory and registers, increment, compare,
| jump. Look a little bit into interrupts to be able to detect a
| keypress, or set graphics mode with 256 colors.
|
| So for a freedos program you can do this with "mov ax, 13h; int
| 10h;" at the beginning of the program, set a label for the
| frame_loop_aleluya, then a label for the pixel_loop_aleluya
| (praising God in my code makes it more enjoyable) write to
| 0xA0000 for 320*200 bytes in the pixel_loop then detecting if a
| keypress has been made with "mov ah, 1;int 16h;jz
| frame_loop_aleluya" and then back to text mode "mov ax, 3h; int
| 10h" at the end of your program with ret. You can play around
| with that to make your first own little asm intro. Compile it
| with nasm to a .com. This is included in freedos.There is a
| little more boilerplate that goes into a .com as well, put
| "BITS 16; org 100h; section .text;" and a start: label . This
| works if you have no memory variables of your own, which is
| fine for a first step.
|
| Sorry, this is my first hacker news comment so i will see how
| this looks and make corrections if needed, and post a small
| full sample program as a reply. God guide us and bless you in
| Jesus name
| kaybe wrote:
| May I recommend to add some breaks into your text for easier
| reading. You have to insert an empty line for it to work.
| (Press return not just once but twice.)
| loveJesus wrote:
| God be praised, thanks!
| loveJesus wrote:
| Praise the Lord! https://gist.github.com/loveJesus/29b85c3d8d
| 6f4fa5cc85d4f33c... is a verbosely commented simple intro
| that compiles to 44 bytes. The source is just over the length
| where I think it would be better to visit the link than post
| it directly. If someone else could tell me their thoughts on
| proper protocol here i appreciate it. God guide us and bless
| you in Jesus Holy name
| [deleted]
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| this recognition gives me lots of warm feels. The number of
| aspects that the demoscene brought together: programming, art,
| music, an online world of connection, and community - was
| incredible and had a huge impact on me when I discovered and
| learned more about it as a young kid in the early 90s.
|
| All I can think of to commend this occasion is Future Crew
| 'Second Reality' :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw17c70uJes
| fangorn wrote:
| I wonder if this means one can now obtain a grant from Ministry
| of Culture to cultivate this officially recognised
| tradition/heritage activity. Imagine a career not stemming from
| what one learned creating demoes, but in actual creating demoes.
| Even if it was lousy money, just the concept is mind boggling.
|
| Plus, there would be no shortage of potential donors, from
| broadly speaking the same field, that would be happy to sponsor
| this culturally important organisation (aka demo group).
|
| Never would have crossed my mind typing my hands off on good old
| C64...
| fhools wrote:
| This is wonderful. Reading a WIRED magazine article on the demo
| scene when I was a early teen was what got me into programming in
| the first place.
| pavlov wrote:
| Thanks for reminding me about this Wired article from 1995:
|
| https://www.wired.com/1995/07/democoders/
|
| Web version is missing all the screenshots and crazy '90s print
| design, unfortunately.
| ebj73 wrote:
| Here's the full original print version too:
|
| https://archive.org/details/eu_Wired-1995-07_OCR/page/n145/m.
| ..
|
| Wired Magazine during the years 1995, 1996 and 1997 had
| something a bit magical about it, the way I remember it. You
| could sort of feel, while reading it, that it was a harbinger
| of great, great things to come, both from technology in
| general, and the fusion of personal computing and the
| internet in particular. It generally was a pleasure to read
| the magazine in those days.
| blakespot wrote:
| Lovely. Enjoying scenedemos is the main thing I do with all my
| Amigas, Atari ST, C64, A8, and even Apple Lisa. Great to see
| this!
| kelvin0 wrote:
| I wish I had grown up in Finland! The demoscene was a faraway
| oasis of pure geek fun I never reached as a younger and thristy
| programmer.
| bane wrote:
| The good news is that it's a global activity. If you live
| anywhere in Europe, there's like to be a party you can attend.
| Australia and North America has a few, and some great
| competition has come out of Japan in the last few years.
|
| More importantly, anybody can host a competition and have a
| party. The local party scene is really the heart and soul of
| the scene. Get 20-30 people together, hang out in somebody's
| basement for a weekend, and at the end have a competition with
| whatever people have had lying around on their computers.
|
| 1 - https://www.demoparty.net/
| raverbashing wrote:
| The parties might be not happening for a while now, but it is
| true that Demos are a very democratic activity and caters to
| a great breadth of programmers.
|
| Yes, there are hyper-specialized groups that can cram a full
| 3D-shooter in 64k but you don't need to do that. You can play
| with something simpler.
| bane wrote:
| Right! There was actually a pretty great Java demo at
| Revision this year.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Not only Finland, as mentioned on sibling comment, it was all
| over Europe.
|
| I was into Portuguese demoscene, one of the guys in the group
| was trading floppies over post, we had another doing ProTracker
| sessions, and we had coding weekends with "bring your computer
| and do group coding".
| luismerino wrote:
| Just registered to say this: That's awesome!! <3
|
| Now that I am here: do you know of any resources (books,
| tutorials, repos) that explain the techniques used in the
| demoscene?
| Minor49er wrote:
| Denthor of Asphyxia's tutorials taught me quite a bit years ago
| http://archive.gamedev.net/archive/reference/listed82.html?c...
|
| Dave Brackeen's VGA Programming in C tutorials also show off
| graphics modes and optimizations for things like primitive
| drawing, bitmaps, etc. I used this to create a game years ago
| http://www.brackeen.com/vga/index.html
|
| There also used to be a site called ProgrammersHaven (later
| renamed ProgrammersHeaven that seems to have dumped all of its
| original content). This site had a collection of random
| programs and source files, many of which showed off demoscene
| techniques (parallax, plasma, 3D, bumpmapping, etc)
| luismerino wrote:
| Thx!
|
| That reminds me the nehe tutorials: https://nehe.gamedev.net/
| CodeGlitch wrote:
| Now there's a name I've not heard in a long long time...
| Minor49er wrote:
| I completely forgot about NeHe! Such a cool group
| bane wrote:
| The demoscene operates very differently from other software
| communities in that it's inherently competitive. That means
| that different coders, or groups, try to keep what they're
| doing (and how) a bit secret so as to gain a competitive edge.
|
| Most of the coders I know who produce for the scene honestly
| start with books on graphics or sound and work their way up
| from there. It takes years to produce a collection of effects,
| techniques and code that you can pull from to make a great
| production. Early productions by people new to the scene are
| usually fairly simple with only a few effects or scenes, but if
| they keep at it will grow from there.
|
| That being said there are some scene "tutorials" that can help:
|
| https://github.com/psenough/teach_yourself_demoscene_in_14_d...
|
| https://in4k.github.io/
|
| http://www.sizecoding.org/wiki/Main_Page
|
| ftp://ftp.scene.org/mirrors/hornet/code/3d/docs/
|
| https://bitbucket.org/inclinescene/demosplash-2016/src/maste...
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/205r78/sight_light...
|
| http://www.hugi.scene.org/online/hugi35/hugi%2035%20-%20demo...
|
| https://4matprojects.blogspot.com/
|
| https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=10882&page=1
| skrebbel wrote:
| This is largely not the case anymore. Lots of democoders
| include their sources or put them on github. Plenty even do
| in depth write-ups on how they made it.
|
| In particular, nearly all PC 4k coders are super active on
| shadertoy and most of their tricks appear there first, all in
| the open, before they roll a full-fledged 4k with it. It
|
| And I dare say that in the past, the competitiveness as a
| reason for not sharing code was mainly a cheap excuse. The
| real reason was that everybody was ashamed of the terrible
| messes their codebases had inevitably become.
| bane wrote:
| > The real reason was that everybody was ashamed of the
| terrible messes their codebases had inevitably become.
|
| Haha true, especially for code written at the partyplace in
| a rush.
|
| I agree with you as well, the scene is definitely opening
| up and sharing more than in the past. There's some pretty
| good talks that occur at parties these days, not quite an
| academic conference, but getting there in some ways.
| myth_drannon wrote:
| lodev has great oldschool tutorials: https://lodev.org/cgtutor/
| kebman wrote:
| Anybody still miss the Atari vs Amiga war? I think it's probably
| still raging somewhere. Good times! Thank you for all the great
| demos! :D
| vardump wrote:
| Not ever since Amiga won. ;-)
|
| Kidding aside, I do love to see new Atari ST(e) demos. Don't
| care much for Falcon or accelerated Amiga demos, just about
| great 68000 demos.
| jng wrote:
| Bravo Finland. I remember attending Assembly'94 in Helsinki. So
| many good things came from the demoscene, including Tran's
| PMODE...
| gwittel wrote:
| This makes me so happy. The demoscene is what made me want to
| learn to program in the first place. The first demo I saw was
| Heartquake by Iguana (Asm 1994) -
| http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=364 . I can still hear the
| credits music in my head. Jare and team, if you read this --
| thank you!
|
| Never did get around to making my own demo, but I owe finding my
| career path early in life to the demoscene. So many fond memories
| (esp early 90s through 00s).
|
| I have and will spend countless hours coding to demoscene music
| (good and bad). To me, the unique thing somewhat lost in my avg
| day to day development life is that this is a fundamentally self
| driven challenge that can cross many CS disciplines combined with
| the art of practice. A demo pushes one in many directions at
| once: art, math, graphics, data structures, optimization,
| mechanical sympathy, sound, etc. (There's a reason there is a lot
| of game dev <-> scene crossover.). You can work in isolation, or
| as a group. However, a group is more common since most people
| can't do it all.
|
| Digression aside -- Could we use the demoscene as a gateway for
| future engineers? A STEM + demo style toolkit?
| Jare wrote:
| You made my day, thank you for the kind words! I learned so
| much from so many people in the scene, and made great friends
| to this day, I'm happy and lucky I could give some back. :)
| starpilot wrote:
| From the country whose anthem is Darude - Sandstorm. This vid is
| fucking AWESOME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db5f-A-vSyw
| skrebbel wrote:
| This is nice, I guess, but I'm still not sure how this has any
| benefit for anybody except that demoscene now shares a list on
| Wikipedia with some folk dances and knitting patterns.
|
| I think it's much more newsworthy that the Revision Demoparty
| happened last weekend despite the corona pandemic. It was fully
| online but still a 72-hour non stop event. Many of the releases
| are mind-blowing, check https://pouet.net
| TekMol wrote:
| Looked up the winner in the 64k competition and it seems to be
| this:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tirAdWbceak
|
| To be honest, it looks like a techno video from the 90s to me.
| WillKirkby wrote:
| The 64k compo was particularly weak this year. I'd recommend
| checking out the 4k intro and 4k executable graphics compos
| for some stellar work.
| Sharlin wrote:
| I think Assembly eliminated 64k years ago, because 4k for
| all practical purposes had become the new 64k, and 64k
| entries had been scarce and not super impressive for a
| while.
| duskwuff wrote:
| The 4k category was blown wide open in 2009 by rgba/tbc
| with Elevated [1] (live reactions: [2]). It demonstrated
| that 4k was more than sufficient for impressive effects
| and music -- suddenly, 64k was no longer an interesting
| constraint.
|
| [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0vBmiTr6o
|
| [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro5grR_efG0
| GuB-42 wrote:
| Things come and go.
|
| At Revision 2015 to 2017, the PC 64k compo was absolutely
| insane, with production values exceeding pretty much
| every other category, including unconstrained PC demos.
| If 4k is the new 64k, 64k at that time became the new PC
| demo.
|
| 256 bytes is the big (hum...) thing now. With one
| ridiculous entry that managed to pack 8 different
| effects, with music and transitions
| https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85227
| bane wrote:
| There's a mind-blowing 256byte entry as well.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imquk_3oFf4
| sharken wrote:
| The awesome commented code can be found in this Reddit
| thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/fzz
| s4u/memorie...
| [deleted]
| skrebbel wrote:
| I'd like to submit a small correction: the _PC_ 64k winner.
|
| Eg there's this in the Amiga 64k compo:
| https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85248
| (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s66OgcwqalA)
|
| It also looks like a techno video, but a good one :-)
| rapsey wrote:
| Lots of game developers and companies have their origins in the
| demo scene
| bane wrote:
| More specifically, this is the compo results.
|
| https://www.pouet.net/party.php?which=1550&when=2020
| yread wrote:
| Cool stuff. But why aren't there more videos? Even if I
| wanted to download and run random executables Vivaldi (and
| probably Symantec, too) blocks the download.
| bane wrote:
| The twitch stream from the party is archived here for now
|
| https://www.twitch.tv/revisionparty
| skrebbel wrote:
| The party is just over. Give it a week and many more prods
| will have youtube links.
|
| Capturing a demo properly for youtube is non-trivial
| (especially on other platforms than PC), and a couple of
| people have specialized in this. Expect a whole bunch of
| uploads soon enough.
| pnako wrote:
| They were even able to run the Shader Showdown competition
| online!
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GRD1gCX7fk
|
| For people who don't know what it is: it's a live coding
| competition where 2 competitors have 25 minutes to code a
| graphical effect (using shader language) in front of a live
| audience
|
| They use a tool called Bonzomatic which you can get for various
| platforms.
| eduindianews wrote:
| That is an amazing news to hear.
|
| https://www.eduindianews.com/cbse-schools-mumbai
|
| https://www.eduindianews.com/cbse-schools-malad
| atum47 wrote:
| Yeah, I knew I wasn't wasting my time. I have made two (maybe
| more) projects that involves generative art:
|
| https://victorribeiro.com/radio/
|
| https://victorribeiro.com/showFractal/
|
| the first one I'm thiking about adding more stations. It used to
| have a few more, but chrome wont allow a page served over https
| to link content that is not served as https, so I had to remove a
| lot of radios. =(
| anonu wrote:
| This is awesome. A great way to bring attention to and protect
| humanity's cultural heritage - especially in these times of self
| isolation.
|
| I thought this list of other Living Heritage items - referenced
| in one of the article links [1] - was pretty cool:
| Playing and building the kantele Playing and building the
| jouhikantele (bowed lyre) Playing the musical saw
| National Culture Days of the Deaf Ryijy tradition
| Making of Tommi knives Puppetry Bedtime story
| tradition Demoscene Living Christmas Calendar of
| Kapyla Horsemanship of the Roma Kalevala bone setting
|
| [1] https://www.museovirasto.fi/en/articles/demoskene-
| sahansoitt...
| Fnoord wrote:
| Impressive list. Isn't it up to future civilizations which
| parts of our culture become heritage? What is the benefit of
| defining it as such? Protecting the culture? At what cost?
|
| I don't mean to downplay the importance, I'm just wondering if
| it is up to us, and if it is worth it. Heck, can we even
| reasonably decide if such is worth it? Does it matter? I don't
| know.
| rob74 wrote:
| Well, all the items in the list are already "heritage" (you
| can include the demoscene too, which at >20 years old can
| also be considered "heritage" in our fast-moving field).
| Generally things which get on these UNESCO lists are those
| which a country considers to be particularly
| important/unique/characteristic of the country, and the
| benefit is attracting attention to them and thus contributing
| to their continued existence/protection.
|
| One random example: there are lots of Roman ruins, but if the
| 4th-century palace of a Roman emperor is almost continually
| inhabited and turned into a medieval city, that's pretty
| unique and worthy of the UNESCO list
| (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/97/).
| toyg wrote:
| > 20? More like > 30...
|
| For comparison, it's as "heritage" now as WWII-related
| items were in 1980 - i.e. quite a bit for sure.
| Mediterraneo10 wrote:
| The UNESCO World Heritage site system drew international
| attention to historical sites that otherwise would have
| remained unknown. The intangible culture list does the same
| for the arts and other traditions. It isn't meant to say "You
| must like and perpetuate it" as much as "Look, this people
| has something cool which you might want to check out."
| new2628 wrote:
| While all those in the list are great, the list itself is a
| worthy match for Borges' Celestial Emporium of Benevolent
| Knowledge in which animals are divided into:
| those that belong to the Emperor, embalmed ones,
| those that are trained, suckling pigs,
| mermaids, fabulous ones, stray dogs,
| those included in the present classification, those
| that tremble as if they were mad, innumerable ones,
| those drawn with a very fine camelhair brush, others,
| those that have just broken a flower vase, those that
| from a long way off look like flies.
| notkaiho wrote:
| I hadn't seen this since high school. Thank you for reminding
| me. :)
| abductee_hg wrote:
| yeah, i am happy about this as well!
| wenc wrote:
| I was introduced to the demoscene via Future Crew's (Finnish)
| Second Reality. It made my computer do things I didn't know it
| could do.
|
| That also coincided with my introduction to the Gravis Ultrasound
| (GUS), a sound card with (patch-based) MIDI capabilities vastly
| superior to Sound Blaster 16's tinny FM synthesis output at the
| time, and which was extremely popular among demo programmers.
|
| Growing up, I had this notion that all the best (close-to-the-
| metal) programmers in the world were either Danes, Russians or
| Finns. Every Linux boot screen back in the day displayed the name
| "Hannu Savolainen". And SSH I've always associated with "Tatu
| Ylonen".
| schoen wrote:
| I always thought of Ylonen as being pronounced something like
| /j^'loUnen/, but then when I went to Finland I learned that
| it's something like /'ylonen/. (The stress is on the first
| syllable and the y is purely a vowel, not a consonant.)
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| came here to totally mention Future Crew, so fitting for this
| recognition to come out of Finland. Legends.
| ultimoo wrote:
| For those that didn't know what this is (like me):
|
| > Demoskene is an international community focused on demos,
| programming, graphics and sound creatively real-time audiovisual
| performances.
| carapace wrote:
| Yeah, good. "A Mind is Born" is an intangible world cultural
| heritage IMO: https://linusakesson.net/scene/a-mind-is-born/
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