[HN Gopher] Workstream: A fast virtual computer you can use for ...
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Workstream: A fast virtual computer you can use for anything
Author : rerapp
Score : 272 points
Date : 2020-04-16 14:58 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (workstream.paperspace.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (workstream.paperspace.com)
| netcraft wrote:
| I've looked around the site but im still confused - It looks like
| its a windows OS? Is there an iPad client?
| preya2k wrote:
| You can use it in the browser, or install any RDP/VNC Server
| you want on the Windows system. So yes, there are probably
| multiple iPad clients.
| netcraft wrote:
| oh yeah, I didnt consider youd connect to it through standard
| RDP clients. Thanks!
| b1gtuna wrote:
| I only see Gradient and Core. Where is Workstream? Neat idea!
| ugh123 wrote:
| Whats not clear is do I still pay for it when i'm not using it,
| but can restore processes and provisioned apps when I need to get
| back on?
| chrismckleroy wrote:
| What is the min mbps upload speed required for success here?
| VikingCoder wrote:
| I'm just going to state again what I want, which is only
| tangentially related to the topic...
|
| 1) I go on Github and configure a service
|
| 2) I make a wallet that people can donate to
|
| 3) I start up a virtual machine, aimed at the Github, using the
| wallet to pay for the time on the machine. The virtual machine
| host _guarantees_ that the code at that Github is what 's really
| running.
|
| I can imagine lots of other things I want, too, but this is the
| bare minimum. I think it'd be really useful in a lot of
| scenarios.
| third_I wrote:
| You should really look into GitLab. It's free to self-host the
| whole thing if you want, and there's a full CI/CD pipeline (you
| can plug whatever you want in there).
|
| It's miles and leaps beyond what GitHub offers (different
| target I suppose).
|
| You'd still have to code the linking to a wallet part, but
| that's definitely doable.
| derefr wrote:
| The GP poster's point was that the hosting service needs to
| prove to the _consumers_ of the app that what 's running on
| the hosting service is the same code they can browse through
| on GitHub.
|
| When you're both the developer and the consumer, you can
| certainly prove this to yourself (to five nines of confidence
| or so) by just setting up the hosting yourself. But we're
| talking about the case of a centralized backend for a
| multiuser service, e.g. a forum, where the users want to not
| have to trust the moral fibre of the person who set up the
| server, but merely trust that the infrastructure used _in_
| the hosting guarantees that it _can 't_ run anything other
| than the codebase (that they control.)
| third_I wrote:
| Fair point, I overlooked this. My mistake.
|
| Different target, yet again.
| derefr wrote:
| This--the ability to audit what's running on the backend you're
| talking to--is in large part what people get out of smart
| contracts on e.g. Ethereum. You can take the contract source
| code from GitHub, compile it (deterministically), and validate
| that the deployed-on-chain smart-contract binary is the same.
| The blockchain nature of the platform then ensures that the
| contract will do exactly and only what you "expect" it to do
| (i.e. it'll do the same thing "in production" that it does when
| you test it on your own machine, since any node that tries to
| execute the code differently would diverge its state from the
| consensus, and be ignored.)
|
| In essence, a Turing-complete smart-contract blockchain _is_ a
| deterministically-trustworthy compute-hosting service. It 's
| one that has the disadvantage of all the overhead distributed
| auditability requires; but at least has the advantage (compared
| to centralized compute-hosting with remote-attestation) that it
| already exists and is usable right now for real-world use-
| cases.
|
| (And you can also reduce the blockchain-y overhead by moving
| whatever backend business logic you can out of the "trust
| kernel" into untrusted regular machines, and then just having
| the "trust kernel" do the important stuff. CryptoKitties is a
| good example of this: the only thing their smart contract does
| is track who owns what kitty, because that's what people would
| try to dispute by forging transactions. The rest of the stuff
| is state in a regular centralized RDBMS, because it's dictated
| by the service, rather than by user input, and so is not under
| dispute.)
| crispyporkbites wrote:
| Ethereum is basically one big cloud computer, with a shared
| runtime.
|
| Everyone gets a copy of the code AND all the data/state, and
| can execute all instructions.
|
| Problem is that it's too slow/expensive to do anything
| useful.
|
| But perhaps the killer app for blockchain is buried somewhere
| in this concept.
| thanksforfish wrote:
| Theres some interesting security ideas you could try to solve
| with something like this. With an open source service that is
| hosted by someone else, you never know what is actually
| running. You can't trust it.
|
| I was thinking about something similar a few months back, and I
| think it could be doable. You'd need a CI service that creates
| reproducible builds, and a hosting service that can show what
| build artifact is currently loaded. You'd allow the public to
| view the state of the service. I think it could work with
| heroku or similar.
|
| That gets me closer to: I trust the code, and I trust the
| hosting service (I.E. AWS), but I don't need to trust the
| person running the code as I can verify that it matches what's
| on GitHub.
| rubicks wrote:
| > The ... host guarantees...
|
| This is a really hard problem with "solutions" that usually run
| counter to privacy and, you know, controlling the machine
| consuming your electricity. Remote Attestation has come a long
| way, but (at least on Linux) still in its infancy.
| capableweb wrote:
| First time I hear about "Remote Attestation", got any trusted
| sources/resources for someone to read up on it more? (besides
| Wikipedia and it's sources)
| aspenmayer wrote:
| Here's some words Red Hat folks wrote[0] about
| Keylime[1][2], "open source scalable trust system
| harnessing TPM Technology,"[3] written in python and rust,
| originally created within MIT Lincoln Labs.[4] It leverages
| TMP 1.2 and 2.0[5] and also involves/includes/references
| code from Intel[6] and Cloudflare[7].
|
| [0] https://next.redhat.com/2019/06/25/keylime-using-tpm-
| to-secu...
|
| [1] https://keylime.dev/
|
| [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhr_aVBCZPw
|
| [3] https://github.com/keylime/keylime
|
| [4] https://www.ll.mit.edu/news/laboratory-staff-develop-
| new-cyb...
|
| [5] https://github.com/tpm2-software
|
| [6] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-
| and-tec...
|
| [7] https://github.com/cloudflare/cfssl
| SCHiM wrote:
| Well, you could try googling for DRM, same beast different
| name.
| aspenmayer wrote:
| This comment seems needlessly user-hostile, much like the
| same DRM you are railing against.
| t0astbread wrote:
| Agreed, something like "Netlify for virtual machines" would be
| useful.
|
| You could probably get close by auto-deploying from GitHub
| Actions but you wouldn't get the main benefit of a service like
| that (having ops done in a clean way without having to think
| much about it).
|
| Without having any experience in the field, aren't lambda
| functions supposed to provide something like that?
| kim0 wrote:
| Sorry I'm not getting the main value prop from this. I'm
| mainly an ops person. Can you please explain what that
| service would look like?
| jedieaston wrote:
| The host would prove that the source available online is
| the exact same code running on the instance, so you know
| that it wasn't modified by the developer/bad-guy before it
| went into production.
| t0astbread wrote:
| Netlify (primarily) takes a git repo containing a program
| to generate a static site and turns that into a live
| running website that automatically updates when the
| generator repo changes. You don't have to think about
| configuration or security or updates and you don't have to
| maintain a server.
|
| Ideally this would be a service with the same ergonomics
| but the outcome isn't a hosted static website but a machine
| (somewhere in the cloud) running whatever the user wants.
| "Tedious" tasks like hardening, monitoring and upgrading
| (and redeploys) would be handled by the service provider,
| as opposed to the user.
|
| For people who like doing ops this might not sound
| appealing but developers (especially single devs and small
| teams) often just wanna focus on their app, not their ops,
| even more so when it comes to continous maintenance.
|
| Addendum: I think Laravel has some of this covered in their
| ecosystem with tools like Forge and Envoyer. But I've never
| tried any of them so I can't judge.
| ComodoHacker wrote:
| What about software licensing? Today I need Office, tomorrow I
| might need 3DStudio.
| vinaynadig wrote:
| I use Paperspace for running Fusion360 which is a CAD
| application. I use a Linux laptop and there are no really good
| CAD applications in Linux space(I tried FreeCAD but Fusion 360 is
| so much easier to use though). Works like a charm and extremely
| light on the wallet(I bill roughly 15 ~ 20 USD per month with
| around 40 to 60 hours of usage). It's been a godsend so far.
| preya2k wrote:
| Can somebody highlight the difference between this new
| "workstream" product, and their regular "core" VMs?
| hedgehog wrote:
| It doesn't look like this is launched yet, at least I don't see
| it when I log in. I've been happy with their notebook product
| Gradient though, and it will be interesting to see if latency is
| good enough for this to replace some local desktop usage.
| dkobran wrote:
| Sorry for the confusion here, we are in the midst of separating
| out the two products and this is not reflected everywhere yet.
| Under the CORE section of the interface, you'll find these
| instances and you can download the desktop app here:
| https://paperspace.com/download
| hedgehog wrote:
| Aha, yes Core is there. Thanks. FYI it looks like there's a
| bug where the instance type picker doesn't show storage
| capacity (just "GB").
| tone wrote:
| I get a message that reads: "Paperspace.app" can't be opened
| because Apple cannot check it for malicious software.
|
| This software needs to be updated. Contact the developer for
| more information.
|
| It's not the normal open security settings and allow message.
|
| I am on a MacBook pro running Catalina 10.15.3.
| raywu wrote:
| How's native peripheral support? I've been looking for a
| cloud solution that would act as a virtual rig for VR.
| However, from everything I read there's hardware limitation
| on memory to support meaningful peripheral throughput. I'm
| curious about what you and DTE have come across!
| bransonf wrote:
| Curious what folks think the outlook on this technology is.
| Rather, will there be any significant shift towards centralized
| compute in the next decade?
|
| Currently, a large institution/corporation has to manage
| thousands of individual machines. Say a physical component fails,
| now a technician must go to the location of the machine and give
| the user a temporary replacement. Alternatively, in a centralized
| compute environment, they could just allocate a new machine, and
| work entirely out of a data center.
|
| And what about software updates and upgrades?
|
| In the centralized model, both software updates and hardware
| upgrades can be managed more easily. Sure, we have good software
| tools to update all networked devices, but if that fails, the
| admin still sometimes needs physical access.
|
| One market I see this potentially taking off in is academia and
| hospitals. (Though I'm biased because I'm employed by a Medical
| School)
|
| Much of the record keeping is already done with a centralized
| infrastructure. Liberal use of active directory and low powered
| clients is the norm.
|
| And particularly for research, there's the added benefit of being
| able to allocate more resources without any physical action. Say
| I'm trying to run a script to fold proteins on my lab
| workstation. Usually, I'd be limited to the hardware on hand, but
| in the centralized model I could request or allocate a more
| powerful machine. Sure, the current solution is to spin up your
| own VM and move your program. Often, academic institutions have
| their own on-prem compute for this purpose. However, both still
| require technical ability on part of the user.
|
| How close are we really to the model of giving all users a dummy
| client (think Chromebook) and centralizing The real compute? What
| challenges, disadvantages am I missing?
| formercoder wrote:
| Depends on latency requirements. Data analysis? Yep. Creative
| pros? Nope.
| Bombthecat wrote:
| Why? People are ok to play online via stream. Why shouldnt
| for work also be ok?
| 32gbsd wrote:
| Terminal servers were a good idea back in the 90s. All that is
| old is new again.
| michaelmior wrote:
| Even if there's "centralized" computing, everyone still needs a
| device they can use to access this central environment. Of
| course these devices can still fail and need repair. (The
| Chromebook in your example). At least in that case, these
| machines are fungible so a permanent replacement can just be
| given while the faulty device is repaired and used to replace
| another device the next time one fails.
| microcolonel wrote:
| > _they could just allocate a new machine, and work entirely
| out of a data center._
|
| Not really, you still have to manage endpoints, and they still
| have peripherals. One of the big advantages to systems like
| this is access to high-performance compute, but generally
| you'll want good displays and peripherals to interface with
| machines like that.
|
| With a remoting system, you also need to make sure that your
| network performs well enough not to cause strain for your
| workers.
|
| All that is not to say that it's exactly the same workload, but
| it may not be as major of an improvement in administrative
| complexity as it seems at first blush.
| z3t4 wrote:
| When making multiplayer games in the 90's I realized that the
| players computer was sometimes more powerful then the server,
| so the strategy since have been to put as much work on the
| client as possible, in order to fit as many players as possible
| on a server. Because hosting servers is expensive. You want
| reliability on the server side. Server goes down - hundreds of
| people cant play. One client goes down - not your problem.
|
| The advance in network capacity and low latency io opens the
| possibility of thin clients. For example gaming consoles - in a
| few generations youll probably just connect via your smart tv.
| The biggest incentive is probably DRM. Where you stream the
| content rather then owning it.
| robenkleene wrote:
| As someone in the Apple ecosystem, the first thing I think when
| I see a service like this is that this would let me keep doing
| the type of computing I want to be doing (e.g., software
| development, and using the big creative apps[0]), while still
| using devices that Apple is invested in improving (i.e., iOS
| devices, because they're not investing in macOS, or at least
| not the parts of macOS that support the type of software I want
| to run).
|
| Therefore, unless Apple changes course, if I want to stay in
| their ecosystem (which is debatable), the only way I'd be able
| to do that is to start using a a service like this.
|
| The way I see it there are three options:
|
| 1. Apple changes course and starts supporting powerful software
| again.
|
| 2. All powerful software becomes web-based a a la Figma.
|
| 3. Start using services like this.
|
| The status quo cannot continue indefinitely, history has shown
| that when a popular product stagnates, an external player
| eventually figures out how to capitalize on it and takes over
| from the existing players (e.g., see the iPhone vs. flip
| phones, Firefox vs. IE, Sketch vs. Photoshop).
|
| [0]: https://blog.robenkleene.com/2019/08/07/apples-app-stores-
| ha...
| tomc1985 wrote:
| So we're back to 21st century mainframes.
|
| Count me out. Personal computing forever!
| subsubsub wrote:
| The benefits to this are substantial, which is a bit worrying.
|
| If this style of computing becomes the norm it would centralise
| and fragilize any systems, companies, economies that rely on
| it. As well as passing control over what can be run to a third
| party (see: "The war on general purpose computing").
| paulpauper wrote:
| How is this different from virtual windows or Linux machine. You
| can run software remotely this way without having to buy a new
| computer
| ChuckMcM wrote:
| First, that is a pretty nice web site. The notion of this sort of
| virtual computer goes back a ways, the one thing I keep expecting
| to see but haven't yet is a fully encrypted experience where the
| "cloud" bits don't work unless the user's local display has a
| security token attached.
|
| My first experience with type of architecture was in the 80's
| with something called an "X terminal". All the same elements, a
| machine with a display / keyboard /mouse that had a network
| protocol to talk to some hardware acting on my behalf in a
| machine room. I could sit down at any station and open up my
| desktop, just as I had left it. It is a pretty decent experience
| even with only a 10mbit Ethernet network.
|
| The second time I got to experience this architecture was in the
| Citrix days (late 90's early 2000's) Now the OS was always
| Windows and the network protocol was proprietary, but you could
| bring up an entire enterprise without all that pesky
| installing/rebooting that was the life of an early Window's
| system administrator. Also gave you control over employees trying
| to put bogus software on the computer. No Netscape Communicator
| for you! Work work work. :-)
|
| Somewhere after Citrix imploded with all the problems that come
| with a walled garden with razor wire on the walls, we started
| seeing deployments using virtual machines and VNC. That gave you
| the "what you see is what is happening" feel of Citrix but now
| you had a different choice of operating systems and better vendor
| flexibility. VNC over a SSH SOCKS proxy replaced X11 over SSH as
| a more "universal" way of implementing this architectural design
| pattern.
|
| Of course Google gave us "the browser is the computer" with
| ChromeOS and now the machine as a browser target where the
| browser is something more standard.
|
| I like the architecture but in the previous iterations there was
| always some big problem it was addressing, X terminals addressed
| mobility, Citrix addressed enterprise configuration management,
| VNC/VM addressed multiple OSes other than Windows while retaining
| enterprise configuration management, and ChromeOS went for a
| better security model, mode-less configuration, and minimal cost
| of entry.
|
| What problem does Workstream address either better or differently
| than what the above solutions address/addressed?
| catblast wrote:
| Citrix imploded? That's news to me. It's pretty much an
| industry standard in US healthcare.
| third_I wrote:
| I would like a minute of silence for all sysadmins working in
| healthcare. Having to deal with COVID on top of a Citrix
| infrastructure (if it can be called that) must be... well
| need I say more. Working with Citrix.
|
| (PS: I'm joking, I hope the product has become stellar. It
| very much was not back in the day when I had 200 users on
| it).
| ChuckMcM wrote:
| Perhaps my choice of words was unwise.
|
| My experience in the early 2000's supporting enterprises with
| network attached storage was they started moving away from
| Citrix to the VM/VNC solutions often from VMWare. At the same
| time Citrix started buying a bunch of different companies to
| expand into other markets.
|
| That people still have to use it is a testament to this
| architecture pattern's resiliency in face of systemic
| challenges :-)
| dsalzman wrote:
| I'm relishing the switch back to the thin client / main frame
| model, but I want to own my main frame. Even if it physically
| sits in a company's data center. With 5G we are getting closer to
| disposable glass thin client interfaces.
| OkGoDoIt wrote:
| So I read through the whole landing page and I don't really
| understand what this is. It sounds like it's just another virtual
| private server? How is this different from getting a VPS on any
| hosting provider and remote desktoping into it? I guess since
| it's paid by the hour rather than pay by month, but generally a
| service like this charges you for every hour your virtual machine
| exists, not just when it's running. So unless you want all your
| data deleted you're going to be paying longer-term anyway. Or
| maybe that's not the case, they certainly don't go into any
| detail to explain it one way or the other.
| 1023bytes wrote:
| The benefit here is you pay a smaller fee for the storage and
| the machine itself is created on demand.
| rock_artist wrote:
| While interesting, it would've been great if they had a simple
| test no signup instance to evaluate responsiveness.
| pizza wrote:
| Any chance for more zones for paperspace? Wanted to use them for
| a cloud gaming host, but they don't have any regions in Los
| Angeles
| mleonard wrote:
| Hi. Developer and part-time computer science high school teacher
| here. Does Workstream support graphical desktop linux machines,
| or only terminal? Thanks!
| dalore wrote:
| I use Paperspace's core compute machines for my IDE and dev
| machines. It's great not having to run everything local, can use
| a cheap low end laptop locally but still have a beast dev
| machine. If I end up hosing my dev I can just start it from the
| last snapshot.
|
| Granted could probably do this with any host/cloud
| infrastructure. But I'm happy with it.
| blablabla123 wrote:
| That's also how I use it. I tried other hosters but for dev
| use, theirs is particularly nice because it's much cheaper.
| Also I like the user interface ;) Unfortunately I didn't try
| Gradient yet but Core already has so many possibilities...
| jsumrall wrote:
| Not a heavy user, but I've been using Paperspace a few times for
| gaming. They make it really easy. They have a "template" you
| spawn a new instance from, or use a blank windows install. Their
| template is handy since it has Steam and Parsec already
| installed.
|
| What they seem to be doing here is saying you don't need Parsec
| and can just use their browser implementation instead.
|
| Sounds great!
| y7 wrote:
| I'm assuming this works by streaming your keyboard/mouse inputs
| to the VM, then it runs the game and then streams high-res
| video and audio back to you. What's the total latency with this
| approach? And the required bandwidth for the video stream?
| ShamelessC wrote:
| Is gaming well supported with controllers working over the air?
| hedora wrote:
| I've had good luck. The biggest hiccup was that you need to
| pay extra for a public IP.
|
| Super Meat Boy is about as twitchy as I get, and the latency
| for that is fine (at least in the SF bay area).
|
| Obviously, the GPU can do more than that, but I haven't tried
| pushing in that direction.
| pqdbr wrote:
| I created an account to try some gaming (I'm on a Mac), but they
| require writing a message to access any GPU enabled machines.
|
| Is https://www.paperspace.com/gaming deprecated?
| tone wrote:
| Looks quite interesting. I could really use a Windows box that I
| could use for a few games while I'm isolated not at home with
| only my Macbook Pro.
| jventura wrote:
| Can't you use VirtualBox or something like that?
| Jiger104 wrote:
| Shadow.tech I have had good experiences with. It does take a
| while to go from sign-up to them actually spinning up a machine
| for you but the latency is extremely good for cloud gaming.
| tone wrote:
| Looks good but pre-order only? How have you been using it?
| dudul wrote:
| Why use this over GeForce Now? Really curious, I don't see a
| lot of advantages.
| draebek wrote:
| I hear that, after it left beta, the number of games that you
| can play on GeForce NOW is _greatly_ reduced. I have read
| that you can no longer play arbitrary games from your Steam
| library (like you could in beta), and furthermore, a few
| major publishers have pulled their games from the service.
|
| So the advantage of Paperspace would be that you can play
| many more games than you can on GeForce NOW.
| mjayhn wrote:
| I don't know how to show you an actual list compared to my
| Steam library but I only know a handful of games that have
| been removed (The Longest Dark was big drama a few weeks
| ago) but I'm sitting here testing a bunch of my most
| popular games (Bannerlord, DOS2, POE2, Destiny 2, LOL,
| Space Engineers, etc) and I haven't hit a game yet that I
| can't play.
|
| Some publishers have been very anti-competitor regarding it
| and taken down their entire libraries but there is still a
| ton to play.
| al_chemist wrote:
| Paperspace supports* Linux client, GeForce Now does not.
|
| * allegedly. Tried to set up Paperspace and Parsec without
| result.
| naravara wrote:
| If your use case is gaming, does Linux support matter much?
| If anything I would think this would be for someone who has
| a Linux setup but wants to access games that aren't
| available.
| pmoriarty wrote:
| _" If your use case is gaming, does Linux support matter
| much?"_
|
| It really depends on the game.
|
| For instance, Factorio, which is enormously popular on
| HN, has a perfectly functioning Linux version. Many other
| games do too, and some games even perform better on Linux
| than on Windows, not to mention having a better user
| experience on Linux (especially if you are technical and
| know what you're doing).
|
| I have an old Linux laptop, and Factorio performs well
| enough in single player, but I run in to serious
| performance issues on multiplayer. It's be nice to be
| able to run this Linux game on a more performant Linux
| machine, without shelling out the $$$ for a new gaming
| rig.
|
| Further, I'd like to avoid Windows as much as possible,
| where it can be avoided.
| dudul wrote:
| The comment I replied to mentioned a MBP, not a linux
| machine.
| deegles wrote:
| What's the AWS equivalent to their biggest instance?
| dpau wrote:
| I'd like to see a cost comparison across different providers. A
| comparable v100 machine on Google Cloud is $2.015/hr, while
| Paperspace seems to charge 2.30/hr for a dedicated v100
| (https://www.paperspace.com/pricing)
| dkobran wrote:
| Google Cloud is very sneaky with their pricing as they don't
| include the instance itself in the advertised GPU pricing.
| Here's an instance very comparable in specs (8 vCPU, 30GB
| RAM, 1 V100, 50 GB SSD): https://cloud.google.com/products/ca
| lculator/#id=a9fbcab5-cb... It's $3.19/hr. The Linux version
| is $2.87/hr.
| dpau wrote:
| Thanks for this link, I've been going by the estimated cost
| on the Google Cloud VM deployment page which seems to give
| significantly lower prices than your link. With GC I always
| seem to end up paying a lot more than I planned to...
| woah wrote:
| I've used Paperspace's Gradient product (hosted Jupyter
| notebooks), and while it is cheaper than most other options, I
| can't recommend it. The service has a very janky feel. When I
| first started, there was an issue where my instance was was stuck
| "shutting down" for half an hour or more and I couldn't access my
| code. Then there was a weird issue where some kind of
| geographical split between different types of instances resulted
| in my code getting lost (I think it happened twice). It has the
| feel of a product held together by duct tape and chewing gum with
| a thin veneer of slick graphic design. I recently tried using
| their CORE product (GPU heavy VMs), but for some reason instances
| with GPU's are not enabled until you write them a message (I did,
| and they haven't responded in a week).
|
| My advice would be to use the cheap, high performance machines
| (VC subsidized?) if it makes sense, but never ever store data
| with them without backing up to a different service (git or
| Dropbox maybe?)
| Aeolun wrote:
| Lol, yeah, I had the same issue. Followed their advertising for
| 'gaming in the cloud', only to find out that the VM's with
| GPU's were disabled. Not going to do any gaming without a GPU
| guys.
|
| Eventually they enabled them, but it was such a pointless
| experience that I was completely turned off using it.
| atian wrote:
| I also can't recommend them. Service is operational when
| working, but the times it isn't working as expected I don't
| have the patience to message support. Things just aren't
| straightforward.
|
| This was 2 years ago when I used them to run a couple of
| Windows apps for work.
| JPKab wrote:
| Just saying that on Paperspace, it's all about using the
| storage folder. Had some challenges before, but definitely
| getting a lot of value out of it now.
|
| I think the product has a ton of potential, but certainly has
| warts to iron out. I've so far just used gradient, and
| haven't experimented with the core APIs feature yet, but
| looking forward to seeing what can be done there.
| rvnx wrote:
| I had issues with Paperspace too, switched over to Shadow.
|
| I pay +/- 14 USD _per month_ for a computer with 4 cores @
| 3.4 GHz, 12 GB RAM, GTX 1080, 256 GB SSD. No commitment.
|
| I'm not sure where is the good deal with Workstream ?
| aspenmayer wrote:
| That seems like an amazing deal. Can you drop a link to
| Shadow? That's such a vague name I don't have a lot to go
| on. I am interested to dig into the details of this deal.
| Is there some kind of Acceptable Use Policy or is it more
| like a pay-as-you-go VPS?
| moontear wrote:
| Not OP but https://shadow.tech/
| aspenmayer wrote:
| Thanks. Looks like Windows only for now, but at least
| future Linux support is alluded to in their FAQ.
|
| https://shadow.tech/usen/faq/operating-system/can-i-use-
| shad...
| techntoke wrote:
| Same here, except I did message support and just as you'd
| expect they gave me the run around.
| DTE wrote:
| CEO of Paperspace here. I'm really sorry about this. That is
| not the experience that we are striving for and FWIW, since
| leaving beta, Gradient is much more mature at this point (many
| millions of hours of runtime and lots of developer work). We
| have been aggressively stabilizing (and building out new
| features) over the past few years and continue to improve the
| product every release. My sincerest apologies for your negative
| experience early on I hope you will give it another try.
| woah wrote:
| It's cool that you're responding in this thread, and thanks,
| but I just have to mention that these experiences are from
| about a month ago. Not sure if that's what you mean by "early
| on".
| JPKab wrote:
| I'm a customer, and one thing that I think would be helpful
| would be to ensure that notebooks launch inside of the
| storage folder. In fact, I'm not sure there should be any
| folders other than the storage folder and another folder
| labelled to tell the user this data isn't going to persist,
| or is volatile.
|
| I really like a lot of the features you have in place, but
| had weird things like files disappearing, git repos being
| erased except for folder name, etc.
|
| That being said, I think there's a lot of value here, and
| once I defaulted to using only storage, had less issues with
| Gradient. I think the concept behind your company, seems to
| be democratizing the devops needed for getting on-demand
| compute, and I dig it.
|
| Hit me up privately if you want to talk more. There's some
| potential ideas I'd like to discuss with you involving my
| employer and potentially augmenting our product with yours
| (and bringing customers with us). Hope that last statement
| tells you that despite the warts I've experienced, I really
| admire what you have accomplished. I'm a big, big fan of
| intuitive UX that simplifies high-value tasks, and I think
| you've achieved a lot there.
| NullPrefix wrote:
| Do you have some sort of "fair use" policy for GPU instances?
| Is it OK with you to peg them at 100% usage all the time?
| [deleted]
| rubatuga wrote:
| Signed up for a paper space account about a year and a half ago,
| they had a dark UI pattern to stop people from deleting their
| VMs, and it kept charging me every month with no method to stop
| it. After a month or too, they changed their UI to allow deleting
| the VM.
| nodesocket wrote:
| Does it support snapshotting a machine after you configure it and
| install all your custom software then create a new machine from
| the snapshot?
| gnade wrote:
| Yes! Sorry this isn't more obvious:
| https://support.paperspace.com/hc/en-us/articles/236402867-T...
| TimTheTinker wrote:
| Do Workstream VMs come pre-installed with the pro software they
| mention in the blurb? If so, this sounds compelling.
| taigi100 wrote:
| I've used perforce in the past both for work & gaming. Gotta say,
| awesome experience!
| stevefan1999 wrote:
| It is nothing other than being a fat client that works in the
| browser.
| ffhhj wrote:
| Are there solutions that don't care about user location? Getting
| "not available in your country" from Shadow and Nvidia Now.
| fataliss wrote:
| Anybody used it for gaming? I was a beta user of the Nvidia
| service which is dedicated to gaming and while overall
| acceptable, lag spikes would render the use of the platform
| really frustrating. Everything would be smooth for 30s and then
| "lag" or freeze for up to 1-2s and then resume. Fine if playing
| the sims, but when you are in a fight in fast paced games it's a
| deal breaker. To my knowledge, so far, no platform has figured
| out the proper streaming/input lag management to make the
| experience truly seamless. Is this one different?
| frodprefect wrote:
| I just tried for the last couple hours. Installed Steam then
| Fallout 4 and Grand Theft Auto 5. I tried to get GTA to start 5
| times but it never would. Just black screen with music playing.
|
| Fallout would start but I couldn't aim with my mouse. I could
| walk and shoot but it would register mouse movement. Then
| accidentally hitting ESC would stop full screen and eventually
| crash to the point I had to hard restart the system.
|
| I don't recommend for gaming.
| Aeolun wrote:
| I have used it for gaming and I can't say I ever had an issue
| like that. I haven't used it for very long though.
| pkos98 wrote:
| I have to recommend https://shadow.tech! It is a Windows VM
| intended specifically for (but not limited to) gaming! And it
| works extremely well, I am playing games on it for ~ 2 years by
| using their client app on Linux.
| soulnothing wrote:
| I used paper space for remote gaming via Parsec. I also purchased
| one of their machines for remote development purposes. While I
| was waiting for parts to fix my laptop.
|
| The service was really good. The machine was fast, with RDP it
| felt close to local. They also offered very powerful hard ware.
|
| I moved on because it was a bit pricey at that point. This was
| about a year, year and a half ago. I think it was about 50 a
| month for me. I moved onto a dedicated server that I used KVM and
| LibVirt to manage.
|
| That worked but it's obviously a lot of over head.
| scrumper wrote:
| Signing up right now for this - glad to hear it worked well. I
| have a Mac at home (not ideal for games) and at most a couple
| hours a week to do any gaming (so it's not worth buying a PC).
| For the absolute best machine they have, my outlay will be less
| than ten bucks a month. An easy sell.
| azinman2 wrote:
| But won't the latency kill gaming tasks?
| soulnothing wrote:
| It's not much different than stadia or nvidia geforce(?).
|
| I played online multi player games. If you have a 144hz
| gsync/freesync monitor. Then this isn't meant for that. But
| it was totally playable.
|
| The weak portion is you're beholden to your internet.
| Traveling for work it didn't work at all. Most places I
| stayed had very slow internet and then the latency became
| unplayable.
|
| I see this as a completely viable option if you're on
| Linux, or Mac and want to game every now and then. Or if
| you're waiting for a new GPU to come out and still want to
| game.
| zelly wrote:
| Back to the future.
| betoharres wrote:
| laughs in tmux
| quadrature wrote:
| this looks awesome. I wish i could rent machines preloaded with
| the applications i use. but i guess the incentives for the
| licensers aren't aligned there.
| d23 wrote:
| My thoughts exactly. If I could just rent photoshop for a few
| hours that would serve my needs perfectly. But it looks like
| I'd need to buy a license, load it on, and pay monthly for
| storage, so I might as well just pay for just the application
| and use it locally.
| Brajeshwar wrote:
| Vagon[1] is another interesting solution tackling to solve a
| similar problem.
|
| 1. https://www.vagon.io
| ajiang wrote:
| Anything?
| riazrizvi wrote:
| Better known as 'Desktop Virtualization'. Established competitors
| in this space are Citrix/XenDesktop, Microsoft/HyperV,
| Oracle/VirtualBox, VMware/HorizonView used in combination with
| remote desktop clients like X11 and Remote Desktop Connect. Is
| there an angle here that is new and interesting?
| lonelappde wrote:
| Also, AWS and GCP
| djhworld wrote:
| > Is there an angle here that is new and interesting?
|
| It seems like a turn key solution without much tinkering?
| jabroni_salad wrote:
| This is specifically "desktop as a service" so while there may
| be Xen or Horizon in the mix it is abstracted away from the
| customer. The established competitors are Amazon Workspaces and
| Azure Virtual Desktop.
| dbish wrote:
| I think there is a market here. I don't use this service, but
| instead use an EC2 instance as my developer box (for personal
| projects) and I do like being able to easily move between
| multiple machines, no matter where I am and easily spin up
| another instance when I want to start fresh or try out other
| setups like having a more powerful machine or something with a
| GPU. At work (I work at AWS) most people do the same for their
| developer machines and don't have physical desktops, just using
| their laptops for access or lightweight local development.
|
| A service that makes setting up and managing those developer
| machines easier for folks who don't want to learn or fiddle with
| AWS options would be valuable.
| somethingwitty1 wrote:
| https://aws.amazon.com/workspaces/ perhaps? Seems like that is
| the existing AWS option similar to this offering. Would neat to
| see a comparison between the two.
| dbish wrote:
| workspaces (in my personal point of view) would cover a chunk
| of what this company is talking about but doesn't tie into or
| focus on the developer workflow. that product is perfect for
| general office machines, but developers likely want the
| option for more control and need different features
| davidjhall wrote:
| What EC2 instance type do you use for a typical developer
| machine?
| jrullman wrote:
| M4.2xl and C5.xl are the most common.
| Aperocky wrote:
| > learn or fiddle with AWS options
|
| AFAIK if you only want a box to act as a dev environment, that
| would not be much work beyond ec2:run-instance? Is there
| anything obvious that I'm missing?
| rcxdude wrote:
| Yeah, but even for fairly technical people, there's a lot
| more of a learning curve there than there needs to be
| (starting up an instance is easy, getting all the security
| stuff set up is more of a pain). Having something which is
| easier to manage without all the complexity of AWS seems
| reasonable.
| dbish wrote:
| standard installations (set yourself up with the tools you
| want running on the machine), keeping track of and managing
| the security parts (security keys/access credentials),
| mapping to any static IP or domain name you may want to use
| for ease of access, and other niceties could make the process
| smoother if you were purely focused on the developer workflow
| dbish wrote:
| also when you're testing things out on the machine you have
| to know how to change security settings for opening ports
| and providing access externally. These aren't too
| complicated to do, but just generally having simple
| tools/UI for making this simpler could be useful. for
| example, if you're a flask dev you may want to just run a
| site "locally" and make a few setting changes before being
| able to access your site. i've helped friends with how to
| do that before
| Sir_Substance wrote:
| I'm curious about something because I'm working on a side project
| that's "in the area".
|
| How does workstream, or indeed any remote computing provider,
| handle the possibility of people using their service to attack
| other computers, or to store/transfer extremely illegal data?
| They're not exactly running KYC identification.
| andybak wrote:
| No RTX/Turing GPUs?
|
| My first thought was "Hey - I can try out Minecraft RTX!"
| blatchcorn wrote:
| I already have a fast computer
| newfeatureok wrote:
| Is there something like this that's self-hosted?
|
| My ideal scenario is something like this that's $20/month for
| unlimited usage, with the caveat that you have to have the server
| in your own house with your own internet, but the service is that
| it provisions your machine and proxies it for fast speeds
| everywhere.
| vermilingua wrote:
| Unless I'm missing something, that's a hypervisor + VPN + RDP?
|
| If you're technical enough to need that, you're technical
| enough to set it up.
| vageli wrote:
| If the goal is gaming, GeForce Now and Moonlight are amazing.
| You can also get a remote desktop via GeForce Now but probably
| better just to use remote desktop.
| ccmcarey wrote:
| Use Parsec for the streaming part.
| VikingCoder wrote:
| It's not exactly what you're asking for, but maybe Sandstorm.io
| might be useful.
| laurentdc wrote:
| I think the pricing section has a few mistakes under Monthly
|
| $1343 / hour
|
| $1.84 effective hourly price
| dkobran wrote:
| Nice catch, typo (the values are correct but the text said
| "/hour" instead of "/month").
|
| Disclosure: I work on Workstream
| Legogris wrote:
| I really wish that the monthly flat rates were included when
| hourly prices are quoted on the pricing page and with "only
| pay for what you use" on the front page. Right now it's very
| easy to get a first impression of feeling misled.
| runaway wrote:
| Would something like paperspace be a good platform for software
| development? My slow computer doesn't handle IntelliJ that well.
| Instead of buying a new PC I could rent this for a few hours at a
| time.
| e12e wrote:
| > How does pricing work?
|
| > For hourly plans you are charged a flat rate(depending on
| machine type) per month to cover storage and access.
| Additionally, you are charged an hourly rate when the machine is
| running. Monthly plans are offered at a flat rate for unlimited
| access.
|
| Then the pricing page doesn't list the flat rate, when looking at
| hourly pricing - but does show an hourly price for monthly
| billing? Possibly monthly/(30 * 24)?
|
| Ed: looks like hourly for monthly plan is calculated as
| monthly/(365/12x24)
| sjapps wrote:
| No mac option :(
| sabujp wrote:
| this works out to ~$375/yr for their advanced plan if you figure
| 8 hr work days and 261 working days per year
| (https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+work+days+per+year).
| How does this compare vs an equivalent instance with some kind of
| remote desktop running on a cloud service?
| rodolphoarruda wrote:
| Is there a service like this for Linux desktop users?
| thekyle wrote:
| AWS Workspaces supports both Windows and Linux desktops.
| localhost wrote:
| I'm curious what others here are paying for a cloud VM for dev
| tasks. My current favorite VM size on Azure is Standard_NC6_Promo
| that includes a K80 GPU, 56GB RAM with 8 vCPUs for $0.39/hour.
| vijaybritto wrote:
| Which product is this? I cant seem to find it myself in Azure.
| Virtual Desktop? I can only see buttons asking to contact sales
| localhost wrote:
| It's just a Linux VM. Here's a link (search for NC6 Promo on
| the page): https://azure.microsoft.com/en-
| us/pricing/details/virtual-ma.... Once up and running you can
| ssh into it and install whatever you want onto it.
| azinman2 wrote:
| When you say dev tasks, are you talking about machine learning?
| What dev tasks do you need 56G of ram for?
|
| I'm trying to figure out who these products are for. 0.39/h *
| 8h = $3.20/day, or approx $70/working month. And that's on top
| of buying the computer you have to connect to this, with the
| annoyance of extra latency in all tasks. I can see the use of
| occasional demanding tasks using very large VMs on inexpensive
| computers, but I don't see how it works out in the long term if
| that's your man machine that you always live out of.
| localhost wrote:
| Sorry - yes ML tasks. The pricing is on par with a D8v3 but
| offers more RAM and a GPU, but likely with slower CPU perf
| (though I haven't benchmarked the machine).
|
| My laptop doesn't have a discrete GPU, so I can't do any ML
| tasks on it so running a Jupyter server on a remote VM is my
| way of doing those tasks.
| CJefferson wrote:
| Was going to try their Free account, until I signed up and the
| discovered the big black "Free" had a tiny light grey "+ Machine
| Utilization Charges" beneath it. Everything is "Free + Charges".
| geocrasher wrote:
| Yeah, I signed up for free but it wouldn't even let me create a
| machine. If they're going to expect to sell it, then at least
| make it possible to put together a machine and then charge to
| launch it. So far all I know now is tha they have 3 DC's to
| choose from. The rest, no idea. Can't get that far.
| A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote:
| I have a pet theory that some of the managers that set up the
| "free - just pay shipping and handling" type businesses found a
| new home in e-commerce. I obviously dislike it.
| icoder wrote:
| When I opened the pricing page I was 'afraid' the hourly prices
| would come with the caveat of a monthly subscription (or
| separate fee). Seeing Free + Charges immediately answered that
| for me. But yeah, I also see your point.
| hnCensorFreedum wrote:
| I'm waiting for my honest business practices to pay off.
|
| No cookies, no ads, donations only.
|
| It hasn't paid off aside from about 1k per year in revenue and
| lots of thank you emails.
| purerandomness wrote:
| Charge, and double the money you charge. But don't be sneaky
| about it. Say what you charge, and then charge exactly what
| you said you'd charge.
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| No cookies, no ads, source code always available, pay for a
| prebuilt version, user names price ... in excess of
| $100k/year (after 20 years :) ... ardour.org
| michaelgrafl wrote:
| I'd love to see a graph of that income over those 20 years!
| Also, do you get any license payments from Harrison
| Consoles? And if yes, are those included in the 100k per
| year?
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| There is a small "back payment" from Harrison, but it is
| not included in the cited numbers. I work closely with
| Harrison and they have worked very hard to not make
| Mixbus a "fork" of Ardour.
|
| Note that there was essentially zero income for the first
| 8 years, and then a slow, steady rise once I needed to
| make a living again and instituted the Radiohead-inspired
| "pay tunnel".
| z3t4 wrote:
| Thinking about going open source but too afraid of hostile
| forks. How do you prevent people from stealing the
| business?
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| The world is full of risks. Got to deal with them.
|
| It helped that I had 8 years (post-amzn) not needing to
| make any income and thus able to build a large amount of
| goodwill and visibility within relevant communities.
|
| People do "steal" the software in the sense of putting it
| into DVD/ISO packages that they charge for.
|
| My concern has never been that everyone pays, only that
| enough people pay. But perhaps that's why Ableton Live
| changed the zeitgeist of computer music production, and
| Ardour is just ... Ardour.
| NullPrefix wrote:
| By hostile you mean stolen GPL and included into
| proprietary tech? Or another, competing GPL product?
| thawaway1837 wrote:
| There's nothing dishonest about just straight up charging, as
| long as you're honest about what you're charging.
| hnCensorFreedum wrote:
| I agree. I tried selling books, but it felt like the
| articles were just marketing funnels to the books. Still, I
| didn't do real copywriting.
|
| After a while I changed to donations Because the idea was
| to help people. And my day job pays 6 figs.
| third_I wrote:
| We need more people like you in this world.
|
| Please breed if you can ;-) Hum, I mean, transmit who you
| are to other, infect them with greatness, however you can
| (books is a great idea, teaching and mentoring as well).
|
| FWIW I think there's an ethical way to profit, but we
| have to be willing to _wait_ for the value we created to
| actually materialize in the real world. A not-so-rare
| case, I think, is people donating large amounts to their
| mentors, once they "get there", once they're established
| and earning enough (likely 2-5 years after the mentorship
| or transmission took place; sometimes way more).
|
| You certainly can't live from those returns. Some of them
| might be fabulous though, if what you transmitted was
| really life-changing. I guess. Never been on that side of
| things (gave, did not receive) but I'm thinking putting
| out the value is the mission, and anything else is a
| secondary concern (just keep that day job to pay the
| bills).
|
| Have a great one.
| thanksforfish wrote:
| We need a directory of sites like that.
| pyr0hu wrote:
| I don't understand your problem, the Paperspace account is
| free. You have to pay for the machine you use.
| chrisseaton wrote:
| If you can't use something without paying someone, is it
| really free?
| jsilence wrote:
| Free of value it is.
| stpedgwdgfhgdd wrote:
| You mean, without value it is
| ethbro wrote:
| What does a Paperspace account get me without a machine?
| serf wrote:
| it looks like it runs jupyter notebooks on a VM of modest
| resources.
|
| there does not appear to be any free rdp/streaming
| services, but the jupyter playback seems to function.
|
| agreed that the pricing methods are somewhat sneaky --
| email harvesting with sleight of tongue.
| _jal wrote:
| Their next hire should offer to work for free + Human
| Utilization Charges.
| ccktlmazeltov wrote:
| Is this a look at our future? Everybody will just connect to a
| more powerful computer in the cloud?
| ship_it wrote:
| Probably. I even saw Xbox being used as a cloud computer rather
| than console. [1]
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCloud
| ccktlmazeltov wrote:
| I actually play my playstation games online with PS Now.
| isthisnametaken wrote:
| "How does pricing work? For hourly plans you are charged a flat
| rate(depending on machine type) per month to cover storage and
| access.
|
| Am I charged when my machine is off? For hourly plans, if your
| machine is powered off, you will only be billed for your
| storage."
|
| Are those charges listed anywhere? They don't seem to be on the
| Workstream pricing page.
| jermaustin1 wrote:
| I had to dig around, but found them in the help desk:
| https://support.paperspace.com/hc/en-us/articles/36000380433...
| TheKnack wrote:
| Here's a link to the storage pricing. There are links on that
| page to pricing details for just about any scenario.
|
| https://support.paperspace.com/hc/en-us/articles/36000380433...
|
| The lowest level is 50GB for $5 per month
| hedora wrote:
| I wish there was a way to automatically nuke the image on
| shutdown, and then spend 15 minutes to have a script auto-
| populate a few games in my steam library at next boot. It'd
| save $5/month, and also solve the OS update problem.
| jedieaston wrote:
| You can use the CLI to create/destroy instances, so what
| you could do is write a script that has Chocolatey (or
| boxstarter, which is a bit more for this purpose) install
| Steam, run it when you login, and then have another script
| destroy the instance using the cli command.
|
| A bit fiddly, but it'd work.
| delgaudm wrote:
| This is a new world to me... I'm looking to learn a GPU intensive
| application like Davinci Resolve before committing to a new
| machine to run it locally -- would this be an appropriate
| solution, and would it obviate the need for the local machine,
| i.e. can I do everything on this that I could do locally?
| cocktailpeanuts wrote:
| This looks like a consumer targeted product. If so, they should
| use a "per month" pricing instead of the per hour pricing which
| only caters to nerds who will go through the trouble to
| calculate.
|
| I hope it's actually an affordable option overall compared to any
| other options out there.
| Onawa wrote:
| They do have per month pricing on the pricing page.
| hedgehog wrote:
| Based on SAML sign-in I'm guessing they're targeting
| businesses.
| mistersys wrote:
| Clearly this is a product targeted to professionals, designed
| for using heavy application while mobile.
|
| Gaming is a also a use case, but gamers that run heavy games
| tend to be nerds anyway.
|
| Per month pricing would make it very hard to price
| competitively for users who work 6+ hours a day vs. users who
| need to work with CAD files a couple of times per month.
|
| I don't know what kind of every-day consumers need to to run
| heavy CAD software.
| Legogris wrote:
| I get mixed messages. The front page says
|
| > Moving your workflow into the cloud gives you the best
| hardware and networking performance possible, and helps you
| work on the tough stuff a normal computer just won't do.
|
| This is then followed by their "Advanced" specs @ 6vCPUs,
| 16GB RAM and 2GB VRAM. That's a mid-range laptop.
| snazz wrote:
| You can choose between per hour and per month pricing. The per
| hour pricing only runs when you're using the machine (only the
| cost of storage when it's off) and the per month pricing is a
| flat rate. They should offer a calculator for estimated usage
| costs.
| BiteCode_dev wrote:
| With all those websites preventing you to use tor, you can use
| tor to connect to this, and this to connect to whatever you need.
| snazz wrote:
| You can also set up a SOCKS proxy on a much cheaper basic VPS
| as well, giving you the advantage of using a web browser on
| your local computer instead of dealing with the overhead of a
| completely virtualized desktop.
| RIMR wrote:
| I've been using Paperspace Air machine since they first launched
| (still paying early bird prices too) and their basic Windows VM
| is pretty amazing.
|
| I'm mostly a Linux/Mac guy, but I spend a few hundred hours per
| year logged into my Paperspace machine and almost always have it
| doing something for me.
|
| It's perfect for getting access to your own toolchain on any
| computer. And it's got plenty of resource to give it time-
| consuming jobs to do. It has just enough GPU to give it an edge
| over some of my cheap VPS options.
|
| It was perfect when I was contracted out to a highly restrictive
| corporation and couldn't access my own employer's tools due to
| firewall policy. The browser-based remote desktop always worked.
| fao_ wrote:
| This actually seems like a game changer. Access to machine
| learning / developer rigs at incredibly cheap prices?
| corenting_ wrote:
| Another interesting solution for this is :
| https://shop.shadow.tech/usen/pre-order . They are currently
| expanding to some countries including the US.
| ec822 wrote:
| +1 on Shadow!! - I would definitely recommend Shadow. You get a
| full instance of Windows 10 to do anything you want (I
| primarily game). I wrote a quick review of it, including 3dmark
| scores for the base version here:
| https://medium.com/@ec822/playing-in-the-cloud-d0c023b77bdd
| Jiger104 wrote:
| I've had great experience with shadow. I am pretty close to one
| of their servers (Dallas) so get around 8ms ping, but even up
| to 40ms ping it works very well.
| jedieaston wrote:
| That's a better deal, since you get a GTX 1080 and 12 GB of RAM
| for $15 per month, whereas Paperspace is more like $60 per
| month for the same box.
|
| Is Paperspace overpriced or is Shadow burning cash? I'd think
| of the latter.
| 6510 wrote:
| Maybe some benchmarks?
| dkobran wrote:
| Great idea. What do you recommend as a good standard/tool we
| could use to publish benchmarks? We have some CPU/memory-
| centric instances but our primary focus is on GPUs.
| downerending wrote:
| Well, "super fast" would seem to imply at least 10 terahertz...
| the_arun wrote:
| Why do you need to use a Virtual Computer when you already have a
| laptop/desktop you use to connect to this Virtual Computer? What
| am I missing? Is it only for folks connecting from Chromebooks?
| 32gbsd wrote:
| Its a subscription service. People want subscriptions.
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