[HN Gopher] TablePlus - Modern, Native Tool for Database Management
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TablePlus - Modern, Native Tool for Database Management
Author : bottle2
Score : 343 points
Date : 2020-04-18 15:06 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| MrOxiMoron wrote:
| I love TablePlus. Definitely worth it's money for me.
| jonnycomputer wrote:
| I have been looking for a native app alternative to pgAdmin ever
| since they changed it over to a browser based application. I will
| have to check this out. Actually, if people have suggestions,
| I'll listen!
| gerry_shaw wrote:
| Postico
| amartya916 wrote:
| I have used both Postico and Tableplus extensively, and if you
| are sure that you are going to be working with Postgres only,
| its the better, more Mac-like app. However, both are a serious
| upgrade over PgAdmin :)
| listenallyall wrote:
| DBVisualizer
| ganomi wrote:
| Free alternative i have been using for some years now:
| https://dbeaver.io/
|
| The community edition is updated more often than i would like and
| sometimes features break but bugs get fixed quickly and they add
| usefull stuff all the time.
|
| Dont know what i would do if i was stuck with pgAdmin...
| welly wrote:
| I've been using mysql workbench for a few years now. Is free,
| works well, is cross platform and open source.
| anhthang wrote:
| I like SequelPro. The UI much simpler, powerful, but it's
| inactivated, nobody working on it to update for new macOS :(
| casperb wrote:
| I loved it and would pay for it. But after 3 months of
| restarting it a couple of times a day since the 2018 Mac
| update, I switched to TablePlus.
|
| I still miss SequelPro, as its search and export features
| where way better then TablePlus' way.
| datasage wrote:
| Nightly builds have some fixes, but it does seem to be mostly
| abandoned.
| HatchedLake721 wrote:
| Which is a big shame. I'm happy to $$$ pay for Sequel Pro,
| but it's been abandoned for 1-2 years now?
| mercer wrote:
| I quite like Postico (Mac-only though)
|
| https://eggerapps.at/postico/
| will_raw wrote:
| Using Postico for long time, great so far and is also
| cheaper.
| thibaut_barrere wrote:
| It's Mac-only, but also Postgres-only! TablePlus has wider
| datastores support.
| piggybox wrote:
| I'm using it on daily basis but it's not a smooth experience.
| I'm not sure if it's just me that very time I switch to a new
| database in dbeaver and start running a different query ...
| more often than not it's just stuck there for more than half
| min and eventually told me it's not connected to the new
| database yet so I had to refresh the connection. For all the
| SQL tools I've used, dbeaver takes the the longest to realize
| it's actually not connected to a db. It's not fun.
| wenc wrote:
| DBeaver is great for MySQL databases. HeidiSQL is another good
| one for MySQL databases.
|
| pgAdmin is not good.
| tbrock wrote:
| 1990s Java swing clunky UI... would rather use CLI IMHO.
| sjbr wrote:
| it's not swing, it's SWT that is why it has the native look
| ken wrote:
| It may be a reliable and useful application, but it
| definitely does not have anything close to a "native look".
| pyr0hu wrote:
| That literally the name of the animal
| planetjones wrote:
| Been using the open source dbeaver for a while now. On the whole
| very impressed with it, so worth a look as a free alternative.
| supernintendo wrote:
| +1 for DBeaver. It doesn't have a pretty UI like TablePlus but
| it's FOSS, cross platform and has all of the same features
| (maybe more).
| detaro wrote:
| > _Advanced cryptography algorithms for SSL /SSH connections._
|
| as a feature limited to the enterprise version sounds kind of
| scary.
| bgorman wrote:
| I have also been a dbeaver user, but DBeaver 7 has been really
| unstable for me and has caused me to look for alternatives.
| thecrumb wrote:
| I looked at TablePlus but the formatter was horrible.
|
| DBeaver internal formatter is decent and if I want more I can
| use an external tool.
| wackget wrote:
| Does the code completion/autocomplete in dbeaver support "fuzzy
| typing" like in Sublime Text?
|
| For example, if you have a table called "catalog_product_flat",
| would the autocomplete suggest that table when you typed
| "catprfl"?
| zmmmmm wrote:
| Just tried that and it did autocomplete, for example 'dal' to
| 'django_admin_log'. It did not auto-suggest it while typing,
| but when I pressed control-space it expanded it.
| zmmmmm wrote:
| Agreed. The only thing it probably doesn't satisfy here is
| lightweight (being built on Eclipse). But actually one of the
| things that keeps me with it is that being built on Eclipse I
| can use a whole bunch of Eclipse plugins that have have from
| that environment and they work great.
| Cenk wrote:
| Previous discussion (333 points):
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16339004
| dang wrote:
| That was 2018.
|
| Also 2019: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19160808
|
| And another 2018: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18004727
| [deleted]
| dvfjsdhgfv wrote:
| I love the licensing model. No crappy "pay us for the privilege
| of using the software every month and year" like Adobe does. Just
| plain perpetual licence like Affinity. We need more projects like
| that.
| Kudos wrote:
| Except it's licensed per computer and not per seat. I'm not
| sure what they're trying to achieve with it. I have two
| personal devices, not to mention dual booting Linux some of the
| time.
| cwhiz wrote:
| Perpetual license but not perpetual updates. And you have to
| pay per device instead of per seat.
|
| I think the pricing is low enough to overcome these annoyances
| but I'd rather pay double and not have to be concerned with
| buying another license when I dual boot another OS.
| jacurtis wrote:
| I do agree, that it would be nice to pay per seat, not per
| computer.
|
| I develop on Mac 95% of the time, so I own a license on Mac,
| but on Windows I just use the free version because I don't
| use it on Windows enough to justify paying for it on that
| device, despite the fact I am a paying customer. This is an
| annoyance for me. However, I rarely run into any of the free-
| version limitations on Windows since I am usually just
| logging in quickly to check on something on Windows and not
| doing anything major. If I need to do some hardcore work I
| pull it up on my mac, which has a better dev environment. But
| it is extremely annoying the few times when I do go to open
| several tabs on WIndows and remember that despite being a
| paying customer, I can not use these paid features because I
| am using it on the wrong platform.
|
| I don't have a problem with the perpetual license that
| doesn't include perpetual updates. To me, if you are using
| the tool that often, you can support the team that builds
| something that you most likely make money off using. One year
| of updates for TablePlus is nearly equivalent to a month of
| updates from Adobe. At $60 a year we are talking about $5 a
| month. Which is very little to most developers, who purchase
| $6 coffees and $15 salads without batting an eye.
|
| But I would like to see a per-seat option. Especially because
| I most likely wouldn't/couldn't use two different computers
| at the same time, it seems fair to let me install it on a few
| OS's if I desire.
| whoisjuan wrote:
| TablePlus is awesome! I got it through Setapp and it completely
| any need I had for SequelPro which I feel got shittier in the
| last couple of years (no new features and it feels super laggy
| nowadays).
| tbrock wrote:
| Anyone know what this is built in/with? C++ & GTK?
| sys_64738 wrote:
| It's a native GUI on the Mac.
| megavolcano wrote:
| from the website:
|
| > TablePlus is a native application. We are using Swift,
| Objective-C, C/C++, Perl for OSX, C# for Windows.
| wenc wrote:
| I work with SQL Server. I really like general multi-db GUI tools
| like this, but also wonder if one is giving up a lot of power.
|
| SQL Server's free native tool is SSMS (SQL Server Management
| Studio), which is one of the most powerful SQL clients I've ever
| used. (despite my carryover reservations with MS products from
| the 1980s-90s, SQL Server is indisputably an innovative and solid
| piece of technology -- MS did something right with their database
| group). One can interact syntactically with the database via pure
| SQL, but SSMS lets you access the deep corners of the database
| quickly via a GUI (SQL is a great _query_ language, but many
| admin /ops tasks are much more easily done via a GUI -- writing
| SQL every time you want make a simple change is tedious plus
| nobody remembers the syntax for infrequently used features). Some
| of the features I use regularly: row/column/covering index
| creation, linked servers, user management, live query plans,
| create/alter script generation from existing objects (stored
| proc, view, index, table, etc.). I've never seen these features
| exposed in any third party SQL GUI client.
|
| Postgres has a bunch of very powerful features too, and I've
| never seen these exposed in GUI tools.
|
| Jetbrains' DataGrip comes the closest, but because it needs to
| support lowest common denominator features across databases, it
| doesn't expose deep features either.
|
| I wonder if folks are giving up deep feature discovery by using
| an generic GUI SQL client.
|
| Exception: Oracle SQL Developer. It's native to Oracle but is
| quite unpleasant to use.
| oefrha wrote:
| Edit: read the parent wrong, but leaving my comment here so it
| doesn't look like backtracking some offensive content.
|
| > wonder if one is giving up a lot of power.
|
| That's an irrational concern. GUI tools also come with SQL
| consoles where you can do anything that's possible in the CLI.
| With the added benefit of results being presented in a nicer
| way.
| wenc wrote:
| > That's an irrational concern.
|
| Is it though?
|
| So for SQL Server, you can't really see the live query plan
| (real-time plan + statistics while the query is running)
| without the GUI. You cannot see the Activity Monitor without
| the GUI. There are elements that cannot be accessed via pure
| SQL. 3rd party GUIs generally don't support these features.
| oefrha wrote:
| Never mind, I read your comment wrong.
| wenc wrote:
| No worries, I appreciate it.
| yashap wrote:
| I think you've missed wenc's point - they aren't arguing for
| a CLI, they're arguing for a UI specialized to a single
| RDBMS, vs one trying to convert many RDBMSs.
| kyleee wrote:
| If you've used SSMS extensively you'll know it's tailored to
| SQL server like a glove. You'd definitely be leaving
| usability on the table going with a generic DB client. The
| person you've responded to even mentioned that of course you
| can do all things via CLI, but SSMS builds powerful GUI layer
| on top of that
| Nullabillity wrote:
| > If you've used SSMS extensively you'll know it's tailored
| to SQL server like a glove.
|
| Sure, assuming that MSSQL is a foot.
| aik wrote:
| How do you deal with the complete lack of searching for
| tables/SPs/functions in SSMS? There are a number of 3rd party
| extensions but they all seem slow and still just jump you to
| the entity in the explorer.
|
| The speed of searching for anything in DataGrip is just so
| beautiful and amazing for productivity. A big downside is we
| have run into situations where a SP is cached and is an old
| version and DataGrip doesn't notify me that's the case.
| greggyb wrote:
| GUI search is awful, but it does exist. Right clicking on an
| object type node (e.g. 'Tables' or 'Procedures' in the object
| explorer) and selecting the 'Filter' option gives you a
| limited search feature for objects in that node.
|
| It is clumsy and painful, and I will most often just query
| the sys schema to search for objects, but GUI search is
| there.
| wenc wrote:
| > How do you deal with the complete lack of searching for
| tables/SPs/functions in SSMS?
|
| That is a weakness of SSMS, and I've no good answers.
|
| For stuff like SQL formatting though, the free ApexSQL
| Refactor [1] has been a godsend for me. I write a lot of
| complex analytic queries and having the ability to tidy up
| statements as I'm writing the query is amazing.
|
| [1] https://www.apexsql.com/sql-tools-refactor.aspx
| blobster wrote:
| I love it because it's the only Mac app that allows you to
| connect to a remote Mysql server via ssh and Unix socket at the
| same time.
| Nevada-Smith wrote:
| This program won't install on Windows 7 because it requires .NET
| Framework version 4.8, which won't install on Windows 7, because
| Micro$oft doesn't support it any longer. Given this, you'd think
| TablePlus would explicitly mention this before putting Windows 7
| users through this unnecessary waste of time.
| ricardobeat wrote:
| Why would they support a dead OS? Windows 7 is months past end-
| of-life, receiving no security patches and hence unsafe to use.
|
| And by the way they actually explicit mention it on the
| homepage - it says .NET 4.8 right under the download button.
| rubber_duck wrote:
| Should probably mention it doesn't work on Windows 95 either.
| adventured wrote:
| Windows 7 end of life began in January 2020. Around a quarter
| of all PCs are still running it.
|
| Remind me again what the EOL for Windows 95 was.
|
| "Even today, millions of PCs are still running Windows 7, and
| the operating system still runs on a massive 26 percent of
| all PCs according to data from Netmarketshare."
|
| https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/14/21065122/microsoft-
| window...
| azranoman wrote:
| what is iq option? how to use
|
| https://coinmarket01.blogspot.com/2020/04/what-is-iq-option-...
| sinnet11 wrote:
| "Supports a whole set of relational databases"
|
| Includes MongoDB in the list.
| megavolcano wrote:
| and redis lol
| z3t4 wrote:
| Thats one scary select statement in the screenshot.
| pencilcode wrote:
| I use sqlpro and just tried this, thinking that maybe table plus
| is better, their history feature is much better imho.
| rkwz wrote:
| I've been using it for the past year and it's my go to app for
| managing PG databases. As much as I love SQL, TablePlus makes
| certain actions like inserts/updates/import really convenient
| especially when you're working with dev databases.
| ryanmarsh wrote:
| No mention of DynamoDB or Cosmos. Why can't these DB's get some
| love from tool vendors?
| kkrbalam wrote:
| dbeaver supports dynamoDB, and it is an awesome product free of
| cost.
| ufmace wrote:
| I use both TablePlus and DynamoDB at work. I don't see any
| reason to bother trying to put DynamoDB support into TablePlus.
|
| DynamoDB is great at its one killer feature of supporting
| arbitrarily huge tables without you having to worry about any
| details. For everything else, it's just kind of adequate,
| considering the constraint of needing to support multi-Terabyte
| tables. It lacks a huge number of features that all RDBMSes
| have that would admittedly be impossible or not make sense on
| huge tables. Thus, it doesn't make much sense to try to access
| it from a RDBMS GUI.
|
| The AWS Console provides all of the GUI that really makes sense
| for it, plus the CLI tools and API.
| btcnews wrote:
| Killer news Bitcoin vs Ethereum
|
| https://coinmarket01.blogspot.com/2020/04/bitcoin-vs-ethereu...
| pvtmert wrote:
| I saw TablePlus first time again in HN, (circa 2016) since then
| it is go-to tool for databases.
|
| Many DB connection UI's (except MySQL Workbench and Sequel Pro I
| think) requires some kind of purchase. Besides My company uses
| Sequel Pro it always had either crashed or having slow
| import/export speeds etc.
|
| Even TablePlus can import/export between engines using CSV files,
| which is IMHO awesome option to have.
| computerman1337 wrote:
| How does this compare to Datagrip / IntelliJ IDEA for databases
| in terms of functionality? I've been using IntelliJ for
| relational databases and I am very pleased with it.
| 0x49d1 wrote:
| Hmm, I'm in the same situation: how reliable is the company
| behind it, can I trust their expertise?..
| jackschultz wrote:
| Don't know if the person who posted this has an affiliation, I do
| not, but I'm a huge fan of TablePlus so feel it's still worth it
| for me to comment about this.
|
| It offers so many features that seem so natural. Quick
| editability which in some cases saves a ton of time. Tabs for
| different tables, plain text editing for queries with
| highlighting for ease of reading. There are other database
| interactors, that do the same thing, but really for me, I've
| found the UI/UX looks and feels so much better than others, and
| as a user, that really is a huge part of it.
|
| As for the licensing price, I started by trying it out in the
| free, two tab version. I then stepped back and thought about how
| for me, the benefit it gave me was well worth $60.
|
| Again, I have nothing to do with them, but for how nice it's been
| for me, I feel it deserves a shoutout.
| jacurtis wrote:
| I've been using TablePlus for a long time now as well. I don't
| have any affiliation but started with their mac app. It was
| easily the best DB GUI out there. I like that you can use the
| same GUI for PostgreSQL, MYSQL, Redis, MongoDB, and SQLite
| (there are even more than this, but these are the ones I use).
|
| It is awesome to have one very powerful and well-maintained
| program for all my database needs. I can get proficient at one
| tool and use it for everything. In addition, I can pay 1
| licensing fee and get access to a powerful tool for working
| with all of these databases, instead of needing a separate tool
| for each one (which was the case in the past).
|
| The pricing model is EXTREMELY FAIR in my opinion. First of
| all, it is free to use in its entirety forever, with only a
| small handful of limitations. New devs will easily be satisfied
| with the free version. You can upgrade to support them and to
| remove the few limitations in the free version for just $60.
| This is well worth any developer's time as it accounts for only
| an hour or two of their wages most likely. I also like that it
| is a perpetual license, so you don't need to "subscribe" if you
| don't want to. You do need to renew if you want newer versions,
| as the $60 license only covers 1 year of updates. But i think
| that this is a great balance between being fair (it is
| perpetual at the version + 12mos that you bought it at), while
| also incentivizing and allowing to support further development.
| Finally offering a generous free version supports newbies and
| the dev community.
|
| Lastly I need to point out an often-overlooked reason to
| consider TablePlus. They offer tools on every platform (Mac,
| Windows, Linux). And MOST IMPORTANTLY, this isn't an electron
| application. Each version is maintained by a seperate team
| (from my understanding) within their business and it is built
| on the native language and frameworks for that platform.
|
| About 1.5-2 years ago I started a discussion on their forum
| about bringing a version to Linux (at the time it was only
| Windows and Mac). The forum post quickly started gaining
| momentum from other Linux users who discussed how there is
| quite literally NO good DB GUI on Linux (other than the CLI).
| Let alone something as easy to use and powerful as TablePlus.
| The team eventually committed to a Linux version, and after a
| year of development updates I was invited to the beta and had
| been using it ever since.
|
| This team really is great and I highly recommend trying their
| tool for free and upgrading to the paid version if you find it
| useful, which I think any developer will.
| elamje wrote:
| That sounds impressive, if not unbelievable, they have 2
| employees listed on their LinkedIn, and only 3 listed on
| their website. Maybe they are using offshore developers for a
| lot of the heavy lifting, but I honestly don't see how they
| could have native apps for 3 platforms that have this much
| functionality with that many employees. Anyone else have
| insight?
| aembleton wrote:
| What does it give me that DBeaver doesn't? I use DBeaver
| daily for work but would consider paying for a better tool if
| I can see what is better about it.
| aembleton wrote:
| I've just found the Linux alpha release (build 52) [1], and
| so I've installed it. This is just alpha and probably
| missing features, one being that it doesn't seem possible
| to connect to Oracle. MySQL was available so I tried
| connecting to a local instance of that that DBeaver
| connects to and it failed to connect.
|
| There are some UI glitches, but it is alpha software. I do
| like the simple UI; DBeaver does feel very busy in
| comparison. I'll keep updating as it progresses through
| alpha and see how it improves.
|
| 1. https://tableplus.com/blog/2019/10/tableplus-linux-
| installat...
| te_chris wrote:
| Best thing about the editing is the staging mode, allowing you
| to preview a few changes then flush them at once.
| sys_64738 wrote:
| It's a really nice app. The best of the bunch on the Mac IMO.
| geniium wrote:
| Looks nice. Is there any plan to support Apache CouchDB ?
| exabrial wrote:
| For those of you who miss SequelPro before it was abandoned, this
| is a worthy successor. I bought licenses for my whole team.
| jdpedrie wrote:
| Indeed. I just went searching for a SequelPro replacement
| yesterday and found Table Plus. Tried it for an hour and bought
| a license.
| sergiotapia wrote:
| Been using this for a 8 months now, I really enjoy it. It's
| polished, and has a format sql query feature that is useful for
| that final step once you have your query down to what you want
| it. Very nice stuff.
| dotmanish wrote:
| Coincidentally, I discovered TablePlus in Setapp today while
| searching for a macOS MySQL client. Has been a smooth experience
| in the first few hours, and a better looking interface that other
| clients that I have tried in the past.
|
| As another comment mentions, support for Linux is a big plus - we
| need better GUIs in there.
| crazygringo wrote:
| Curious if anyone knows how it stacks up against Sequel Pro?
|
| (At least if you only need to work with MySQL, obviously?)
| thibaut_barrere wrote:
| Well, it is maintained! My understanding is that SequelPro
| hasn't seen any release since 2016 (at least based on
| https://github.com/sequelpro/sequelpro/releases).
| jasonpbecker wrote:
| I've been using this as a part of my Setapp subscription and
| loving it. It's the only tool that has replaced DBeaver (which is
| still more powerful, but I hate the interface).
| megavolcano wrote:
| gave it a trial install, and one thing I noticed right away is
| that memory usage shoots up and responsiveness slows to a crawl
| when working with medium-ish tables (hundreds of thousands of
| rows) if you happen to run a select and forget to limit your
| query, it slows to a crawl
|
| datagrip paginates results in batches of 500 by default, which
| helps with not accidentally making the interface implode on
| itself
| alexashka wrote:
| These products all do more or less the same thing. If Valentina
| Studio free version supports your DBs of choice, I've found it to
| suit my needs perfectly well - Postgres user here. Oh, did I
| mention it's free?
|
| These products should have a mandatory feature comparison chart
| to their competition - it'd speed up the inevitable decline of
| mediocre competition that relies on gaming google search results
| for its survival. I back in the day had to download and suffer
| through half a dozen DB clients that do the same thing slightly
| differently.
| [deleted]
| seemslegit wrote:
| When/Why should someone pick it over dbeaver ?
| S3raph wrote:
| is this similar to DBeaver?
| memco wrote:
| I like TablePlus and have bought licenses for my work computers.
| It's got a lot features, but is still rough around the edges in
| some spots: Mongo is technically supported but the viewing and
| editing experience isn't great for nested object. The SSH support
| seems wonky: I can't get it to work with my ssh config which uses
| proxyjunp to connect. I have to setup the tunnel using -L in my
| terminal and use the local port in TP. I know it's supposed to be
| able to use the proxy jump configs but it has just never worked
| for me.
| Roritharr wrote:
| After testing this for 30 minutes it made me actually Donate
| money to the HeidiSQL project, as it fits my workflow MUCH
| better.
|
| It has a couple of annoying bugs but it's feature set develops in
| general much more along my actual needs.
|
| The Redis implementation of TablePlus is rather worthless to me
| compared to what Redis Desktop Manager does as it doesn't
| sensibly group keys, it doesn't give me much information about
| the relevant redis metrics (memory usage especially).
|
| Over in the MySQL side of things of TablePlus I like the way it
| structures its filters and the way I can actually copy a column
| of values in sensible formats, but besides these two features i'm
| much happier with HeidiSQL, so that's where I put my money.
| kevmo314 wrote:
| Have you gotten HeidiSQL to work well with PostgresQL? I really
| like it back when I used MySQL, but it's absolutely rife with
| bugs in its PostgresQL adapter with constant crashes and
| invalid queries being generated.
|
| It's so bad that it makes me wonder if I just have something
| misconfigured instead of it being an application bug.
| petilon wrote:
| Looks like almost the same feature set as SQLPal:
| http://www.pebblereports.com/sqlpal/
|
| However, SQLPal only supports Oracle.
| Thristle wrote:
| I like tableplus a lot and used it mainly as a redis GUI (we have
| a querious license at work so i use that for sql). I did
| encounter some wierd things around version 290 it seems that when
| you use a filter (which is called "advanced filter" not sure why)
| on a mac everything works but the same filtering action was
| blocked for the free version on my windows machine. some versions
| later it was also blocked on my mac but i cant seem to find any
| way to filter redis keys at all. other than that i really like
| everything else
| timothevs wrote:
| Has anyone compared this to Navicat? Our non profit has a non
| commercial license for Navicat Premium, and I just love the
| product (despite more than a few quirks).
| caseyf7 wrote:
| Postico is a nice Mac alternative but is focused on Postgres DBs
| like Redshift.
| augstein wrote:
| Been using it since its first stable release, absolutely
| reliable and easy to work with. Version 2, which should be
| released soon, is even nicer.
|
| https://eggerapps.at/postico/
| jops wrote:
| I've been using Postico for years. High quality software.
| wackget wrote:
| Does the code completion/autocomplete in this program support
| "fuzzy typing" like in Sublime Text?
|
| For example, if you have a table called "catalog_product_flat",
| would this program's autocomplete suggest that table when you
| typed "catprfl"?
|
| That's one feature I find is missing from every single DBA
| program out there except for DataGrip, which I don't like because
| it's overkill.
| nickforall wrote:
| Yeah, it tries to do that but is not always very good at it.
| For example with aliases in join and subqueries it struggles
| sometimes and it doesn't show up.
| hackerm0nkey wrote:
| > After 1 year, you can continue using TablePlus without any
| limitations but you can't upgrade to the latest version. If you
| want to upgrade, you must renew the license, the renewal fee is
| much cheaper than buying a new one.
|
| This sort of put me off. Personally I am fine with a single user
| perpetual license for my use case. But as they are claiming it
| being a young project and likely to have more bugs than your
| average mature product. Why do you expect me to renew my license
| to get your updates ? doesn't seem fair.
|
| > TablePlus is a young project, we fix bugs and add new features
| every day, then put them together in a new update released at the
| end of week/month.
|
| That week/month could fall a year after the date of my initial
| purchase :(
| eugeniub wrote:
| TablePlus for 2 Macs with 12 months of updates: $99
|
| SetApp subscription for 2 Macs (includes TablePlus): $108/year
| tasqyn wrote:
| does SetApp show ads? what is the difference between business
| and personal pricing? they seem to be the same.
| hackerm0nkey wrote:
| Yeah, I am getting the same impression that the personal
| might have ads? not sure.
|
| I am trying it now and the trial version doesn't show me
| ads, at least not yet -\\_(tsu)_/-
| halostatue wrote:
| No ads in Setapp.
| hackerm0nkey wrote:
| Interesting, didn't know about SetApp before, thanks.
|
| I wonder how they manage around DRM rights with the
| individual app publisher?
| HHad3 wrote:
| The application looks and feels nice, but the per-device
| pricing/licensing model seems severely outdated to me. I will not
| make a purchase unless named licenses, which enable me to use the
| application on all devices and operating systems I use (with
| reasonable limits if DRM is needed for some reason), are
| available.
| thibaut_barrere wrote:
| I do not find that model outdated at all. Actually a good bunch
| of apps I use have that model (e.g. Alfred App, Ableton
| Live...).
|
| Also, TablePlus seems to be selling well (at least from what I
| see around me), so I am not personally of the opinion that they
| should change their model!
| fredoliveira wrote:
| I'm confused. I have licenses for both Alfred and Ableton,
| and both of them run on all my devices just fine. Ableton in
| particular allows a limited number of authorizations, but
| handles my laptop and desktop.
| reaperducer wrote:
| It's worse on the iOS version. It's a $3.99/month subscription.
|
| No thanks. I don't rent software.
| nerdbaggy wrote:
| If you have 2 computers just buy 2 licenses?
| Kudos wrote:
| I don't condone pirating software, but this is the kind of
| licensing that makes me understand it to a degree.
| jolmg wrote:
| Right, it's not like their cost of production is
| proportional to the number of computers the software is
| used in. It's like trying to buy a vacuum cleaner and being
| charged per room you plan to use it in.
| satyrnein wrote:
| It's not proportional to number of users, either. Zero
| marginal costs mean pricing is always at least a little
| arbitrary.
| Nullabillity wrote:
| Yup. I'm starting to think that Kickstarter (and similar
| group-buys) is the only way to fund software that
| actually makes sense.
| jolmg wrote:
| > pricing is always at least a little arbitrary.
|
| Whatever both buyer and seller agree on. I think in
| general buyers can agree that, by the nature of software
| and the existence of the internet, if people share their
| bought software like they would any other object, then
| the seller risks not being able to make _any_ profit at
| all. Since sharing software is copying software, there 's
| no equivalent of "returning" what was borrowed. It's a
| compromise most buyers can understand.
|
| However, charging per machine of the same user seems to
| cross the line, no? Sellers are pushing, and I think it's
| valid here for buyers to push back.
|
| EDIT: Could we have the courtesy of including explanatory
| replies with downvotes? Simply downvoting seems like the
| equivalent of replying, "No. Shut up."
| Kudos wrote:
| I asked them about that a year ago and they weren't interested
| in changing the model then.
| heyoni wrote:
| Go with data grip then. I'm pretty sure it can be installed
| on every machine. At least that's what I do, and I see no
| reason to switch other than their lack of official support
| for non-relational databases. It's otherwise solid software.
| nerdbaggy wrote:
| What is your opinion on a license that is for unlimited
| computers but can only be used by 1 computer at a time?
| alexdumitru wrote:
| That would be much better for me.
| oefrha wrote:
| If you're a fan of always-online DRM. You must be a
| first...
| nerdbaggy wrote:
| A lot of them just are on the local network. Like
| Jetbrains software will throw a license error if both are
| on the same internal network, but will be fine if they
| are on separate networks.
| oefrha wrote:
| Okay, that's a much smaller concern.
| ramraj07 wrote:
| I moved my entire team to this program because of how simple
| (and reasonably hard to screw up) it is. It's also incidentally
| one of the cheapest non-buggy tools you can use to access
| redshift. Even if you buy multiple licenses it's cheaper than
| navicat et al.
|
| Also to note that their free version is still _very_ usable, I
| survived on that itself for many months spending hours in the
| tool.
| oefrha wrote:
| You can also get TablePlus though a Setapp[1] subscription.
| (Unfortunately Setapp is also licensed on a per device basis,
| but you get 2 Macs out of box and you could buy extra seats at
| $5/mo/seat.[2] I think named licenses are hard to offer because
| a lot of people abuse them by sharing with coworkers and
| friends.)
|
| Having used TablePlus for a couple months with both Postgres
| and SQLite, I only have positive things to say.
|
| [1] https://setapp.com/
|
| [2] https://setapp.com/news/setapp-launches-extra-seats
| jfim wrote:
| For Mac apps, one can simply bind the license to the user's
| name, with some allowance for edit distance (and a few
| automated name changes), which can solve the casual license
| sharing. Adding a "Licensed to John Smith" message during
| load time also helps with this.
| johne20 wrote:
| I am totally fine with the license model. I have been using
| TablePlus for over 2 years. When I first tried it I had a few
| questions/issues and the developer responded immediately and
| made changes based on feedback. (the email thread is 42 msgs
| :)).
|
| I have been using it daily for pg, mysql, occasionally for
| redis and sqllite, it works great and gets continuous
| improvements. I wish this company all the best, great product,
| great support.
| surfsvammel wrote:
| I totally agree. I have a license but would have liked to use
| it also on my workstation, not only my laptop.
| annoyingnoob wrote:
| I tend to agree. I'm not sure about _all_ devices but a license
| being install-able on somewhere between 2 to 5 devices seems
| reasonable.
|
| I'll be a paying customer but I need a little flexibility. I
| use more than one computer and some other devices - I don't
| need an SQL tool on all of them but definitely on more than
| one.
| DevX101 wrote:
| This is an odd hill to die on. I'd bet 90%+ of engineers have a
| single computer they code from at home (even if you have
| multiple computers) and another at work. It's perfectly fair to
| pay for a separate license for each of those use cases. I'd
| prefer this to some $10/month SAAS model.
| heyoni wrote:
| No it's not. I have a desktop and 2 laptops. My desktop has 3
| OSes, Mac windows and Linux. Why the hell would I buy this,
| and then have to think really hard about which one I'll use
| with it?
|
| I probably feel too strongly about this. Last week I setup a
| nytimes cooking subscription and then immediately canceled it
| when I realize I had to leave it on auto pay or else it
| wouldn't work.
| dahdum wrote:
| Just having a desktop and a laptop is enough to kill this
| product for me, I'm not paying twice when it's only me
| using it. It shows disrespect for the user, or at least
| ignorance.
|
| No other paid software I use does that. Sketchup, Sublime,
| Jetbrains, and Office for instance.
| ineedtosleep wrote:
| Disagreed. I have a MBP, a Linux desktop and a Thinkpad
| running both Linux and Windows. My one subscription to a
| Jetbrains product covers all of them provided I don't run the
| program at the same time across multiple machines.
|
| Believing that most engineers only have one computer IMO
| seems out of touch with reality.
| brandonmenc wrote:
| > My one subscription to a Jetbrains product covers all of
| them
|
| And also includes their database tool, DataGrip.
| zo1 wrote:
| > _And also includes their database tool, DataGrip._
|
| Which is awesome by itself. I use it regularly and only
| have minor issues with some of it's behavior, but the
| experience is worlds-ahead than what I've encountered
| previously at that price point.
| zarkov99 wrote:
| I have a laptop, a home computer, a work computer and I have
| all my tools on all of them. I bet that is more the norm than
| not. The license should be associated with the person not the
| device.
| nojvek wrote:
| I like how TablePlus makes a yearly post. It is relevant for HN
| users and will deliver them nice sales but I wonder what is the
| policy for pasting same urls.
|
| In product hunt I see same products arriving again with version
| #2 e.t.c
|
| I know VSCode and Typescript announce their new versions here
| too.
|
| May be the official policy is "it doesn't matter, unless too
| spammy?"
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