[HN Gopher] How coffee became a modern necessity
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How coffee became a modern necessity
Author : heshiebee
Score : 59 points
Date : 2020-04-27 19:33 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| troughway wrote:
| Calling coffee a mind-altering substance is pretty rich. I've
| heard this sentiment before and it's so flippant in it's lack of
| perspective (intentionally so) that its not worth discussing
| further.
|
| This is as far as I got because of the paywall anyway. I really
| wish HN would just outright reject submissions from domains known
| to have paywalls. Forget trying to fish it from Google or some
| archive/cache.
| dang wrote:
| " _Please don 't post shallow dismissals, especially of other
| people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something._"
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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| Paywall complaints are off topic:
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| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
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| https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
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| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989
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| If there's a workaround, it's ok. Users usually post
| workarounds in the thread. There's one in this thread.
| shawnz wrote:
| If you don't think so, try quitting caffeine use for a few
| weeks and then jump back to your regular dose.
|
| I find that stimulants in general are subtle drugs in the sense
| that it's not obvious to inexperienced users how affected they
| are by them.
| badfrog wrote:
| > Calling coffee a mind-altering substance is pretty rich.
|
| What? Why? It literally is one.
|
| From wikipedia:
|
| > Caffeine is a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant of the
| methylxanthine class.[10] It is the world's most widely
| consumed psychoactive drug.
| GuiA wrote:
| What is rich about calling coffee a mind altering substance?
| Sensibility varies across people, but as an occasional drinker,
| if I drink a cup of coffee (especially on an empty stomach), I
| get a strong buzz going for a solid 30 minutes or so. Not so
| different from a hit of nicotine (which I do not consume with
| any regularity either).
|
| As far as my own body goes, I have no problem working and
| focusing while drinking a beer. For coffee, I may have to wait
| until the caffeine buzz subsided before I can really focus
| again.
| wpietri wrote:
| It is absolutely mind-altering. If you'd like to hear more, you
| can just check out the work this is based on, Michael Pollan's
| Caffeine: https://michaelpollan.com/books/caffeine-how-coffee-
| and-tea-...
|
| He was recently on Fresh Air discussing the book; the
| transcript is here: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/803394030
| keiferski wrote:
| I hope that someday cafe culture makes a comeback. As much as I
| love sitting in a cafe working on my laptop, the current
| iteration of cafes is but a pale imitation of what they were in
| the past.
|
| Revolutions were plotted, art movements invented, and history
| made in places like Cafe Central in Vienna. I recommend reading
| literature from the 1880s-1930s to get a sense of how important
| they were for the time period. _A Moveable Feast_ by Hemingway is
| a good start.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_culture
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffeehouse
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafe_Central
| chrisseaton wrote:
| > Revolutions were plotted, art movements invented, and history
| made in places like Cafe Central in Vienna.
|
| What makes you think people aren't doing this on their laptops?
| The person you think is doing corporate work on their MacBook
| could be changing the world.
| [deleted]
| keiferski wrote:
| The culture simply isn't there anymore in any focused form.
| Reddit, HN or wherever probably isn't comparable to having an
| entire empire's brightest minds in the same cafe on a daily
| basis.
| [deleted]
| che_shirecat wrote:
| What would it take to get this social aspect of cafes back?
| Exclusivity? No-smartphone rule? Dedicated discussion times?
| How do you envision us bringing this back while adapting to
| modern social norms?
| gurkendoktor wrote:
| I think better sound isolation might help, in most modern
| establishment the background noise makes it impossible to
| have calm conversations. This article seems relevant enough,
| given that it starts out in a coffeeshop: https://www.theatla
| ntic.com/technology/archive/2018/11/how-r...
| cardiffspaceman wrote:
| But were cafe patrons of old quietly conversing with their
| table mates? Or was overheard conversation and speech-
| making part of the environment that brought fear to the
| minds of rulers?
| twox2 wrote:
| No phones or laptops allowed.
| Ididntdothis wrote:
| More leisure time.
| RandomBacon wrote:
| That will just be filled with more Internet (see people who
| have tons of leisure time (and are still being paid) due to
| the virus).
| [deleted]
| gundmc wrote:
| I don't disagree, but it's hard to point to the current
| mandated social distancing as empirical evidence. It's
| not like the people increasing their internet consumption
| could hang out at a cafe instead.
| airstrike wrote:
| You'd need to uninvent the internet.
| keiferski wrote:
| Before COVID happened, I was actually in the process of
| starting a new sort of meet-up site, aimed at solving this
| problem. My initial thought was to have an online discussion
| board but have mandatory monthly meet-ups in cities around
| the world. For example, in order to be a member of the site,
| you have to physically come to a meet-up once every six
| months. Often enough to become a part of the community, but
| not too much to feel like a burden.
|
| The core idea is to take the best of the Internet discussion
| format and combine it with the strengths of an in-person
| community.
|
| I'm certainly open to any suggestions or thoughts on the
| idea.
| el_dev_hell wrote:
| I love the idea. Do you have anything setup already or a
| newsletter/mailing list I can join?
| [deleted]
| tyre wrote:
| (posted below)
|
| great piece on this exactly:
| https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/12/24/what-cafes-did...
| Zenst wrote:
| Can't help not mention
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd%27s_Coffee_House
|
| A whole industry born in a coffee shop.
| Mikeb85 wrote:
| > Revolutions were plotted
|
| And this is why it'll never come back. Governments will push
| for social distancing to be permanent (to 'protect' us from
| future pandemics), they'll hold on to all the power they amass
| during the pandemic, they'll keep tracking people and do
| everything they can to prevent social change which threatens
| their power.
| pdog wrote:
| Since when is caffeine routinely served to children? I didn't
| have my first cup of coffee until I was an adult.
| thevenkataswamy wrote:
| Coke?
| flatTheCurve wrote:
| One day coffee/caffeine (and alcohol) culture will be heavier
| scrutinized. Similar to nicotine.
|
| My caffeine addiction has caused gastrointestinal problems and I
| can't stay off the drug. (This is already acknowledged
| scientifically)
|
| But as long as authority figures consume caffeine, they will
| justify it.
| colechristensen wrote:
| You need somebody to ban it to make your own choices?
| flatTheCurve wrote:
| Not a ban, but I wish my doctor didn't tell me I could drink
| all the coffee I wanted.
| badfrog wrote:
| > You need somebody to ban it to make your own choices?
|
| It shouldn't be surprising that some people think that. Most
| people still feel that way about most narcotics.
| Ididntdothis wrote:
| I can't see anything about a ban.
| livre wrote:
| I think it's implied in:
|
| >But as long as authority figures consume caffeine, they
| will justify it.
|
| I may be wrong though.
| colechristensen wrote:
| Plenty of people choose not to consume caffeine, they just
| don't make an issue of it, which is as it should be. Your
| personal choices don't have to be a cause.
| Ididntdothis wrote:
| To me the post sounded like there should be scrutiny of
| caffeine consumption as there was scrutiny of alcohol and
| nicotine. And I tend to agree with that. It's a
| psychoactive substance that causes physical addiction so
| people should know the facts.
| colechristensen wrote:
| There aren't interest groups buying ad time for
| scaremongering or people beating the drum for moral
| superiority about the evils of caffeine... no. But energy
| drinks have gotten a bit of a bad wrap, and four loko
| with the caffeine and alcohol got banned... and if you
| have a heart condition or anxiety your doctor is going to
| advise you to lay off the coffee. Isn't that enough?
|
| Or does it have to become a social evil for it to count?
| __blockcipher__ wrote:
| I hope this comment of mine isn't considered too low-quality,
| but is it any surprise that someone whose name is
| "flatTheCurve" would advocate compulsion over personal
| responsibility? :P
|
| (And to avoid misinterpretation here, the original intent of
| flattening the curve to avoid hospital overrun I was fully
| behind. Now that we have more data, I find the people
| shrieking at their fellow citizens for going to the beach or
| public parks and demanding that they be prohibited from doing
| so to be detestable)
| scubbo wrote:
| Can you elaborate on what data has led you to believe that
| socializing during a pandemic isn't contemptible and
| selfish?
| __blockcipher__ wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=22961835&goto=threa
| ds%...
|
| See my previous comment here, that is a good starting
| point for my position. Happy to answer any questions.
| (BTW I made a statement in that post that covid is an
| order of magnitude less deadly than the flu for those
| under 30, I no longer stand by that statement because
| it's been hard to get age-stratified influenza IFR data
| as well as the uncertainty of covid-related mortality
| data. I still think the statement is true for <18 due to
| the varying risk distributions that I explained in that
| post)
|
| --
|
| Incidentally, I should have listened to my gut and not
| posted in this thread originally since I fear I might be
| derailing this discussion. So, I'm sorry for that. But
| for now I don't think deleting my comment in this thread
| is a good idea at this point since we might end up having
| a useful discussion.
| thomaslord wrote:
| Interestingly, you've decided to conflate two completely
| unrelated situations here! I can only guess at whether this
| is due to spending insufficient energy analyzing the
| situation, or simply motivated reasoning.
|
| Either way, it's important to recognize here that drinking
| coffee is a personal decision with personal consequences.
| Social distancing during a global pandemic has some
| personal consequences, but the majority of effects are on
| society (e.g. other people). By drinking coffee,
| flatTheCurve does no harm to people they come into contact
| with. By going into public, a hypothetical citizen exposes
| everyone they come into contact with to increased risk of
| infection. With infection comes risk of hospitalization,
| lifelong debilitating conditions (specifically permanent
| lung damage and strokes), and even death.
|
| Going out in public for non-life-sustaining reasons during
| a global pandemic is more similar to tying your grandmother
| to a chair and forcing her to play Russian roulette than it
| is to drinking coffee.
| __blockcipher__ wrote:
| Just curious, where do you draw the line on this
| reasoning? For example, would you feel the same way
| during a particularly bad flu season that did not have a
| novel virus like we are faced with currently?
|
| Just trying to get a read to know how to best respond.
| Everything we do in society carries risks, particularly
| of spreading infection (influenza, meningitis, staph,
| strep etc), and generally historically we have not taken
| such a hard-line stance. Was that historic stance
| actually mistaken, and we should have always enacted
| these measures, or do you believe that this sars-cov-2
| outbreak is such a different beast that it's warranted
| now but wasn't warranted previously?
|
| BTW I agree drinking coffee is different in that the risk
| is entirely personal. I just wonder why we don't view
| exposure to pathogens by venturing out into society
| through the same lens.
|
| Thanks for the thoughtful comment. And again as I told
| the other commenter I should not have posted my comment
| since I should have known it would just derail the
| discussion, but I am hopeful that our discussion and
| others might actually make it retroactively "worth it" if
| that makes sense.
| isoprophlex wrote:
| If you always make your own coffee at home:
|
| - pick a number of cups you may drink each day, say four.
|
| - brew your own coffee with a drip infuser, from ground coffee.
|
| - get a container to hold, say, 90:10 caffeinated:decaf coffee
| grounds. After four days, move to 80:20. Etc.
|
| Don't exceed your daily limit. You'll be cured in ~ a month.
| You can do it.
| nsl73 wrote:
| That's a method on how to get off caffeine. Staying off
| caffeine is something different.
|
| The phenomenon of returning to an addictive substance is
| known colloquially as "relapse"
| noizejoy wrote:
| I'm genuinely happy for you, that you've figured out, that
| coffee was bad for you and that you were able to overcome using
| it.
|
| However I also think it's being unkind to your fellow humans,
| who's metabolism may tolerate or even benefit from coffee (or
| whatever other substance) to extrapolate from your experience
| to our entire species.
|
| And it seems maybe we're not the only animals enjoying
| stimulants [0].
|
| [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=drug+use+in+animals+in+the+wild
| lhuser123 wrote:
| I like these kind of comments. For some reason, in most
| discussions, We fail to address the fact that we all don't
| react similarly to foods, drugs, etc.
| joefourier wrote:
| Caffeine is incredibly benign compared to alcohol and nicotine,
| and so far research has shown that it may actually be a net
| positive in moderate amounts in terms of cardiovascular health.
|
| If you're worried about gastrointestinal problems, you can
| switch to tea. Much less acidic and harsh on the stomach, and
| some varieties have enough l-theanine to counter the negative
| effects of caffeine. If you're worried about the caffeine
| content not being concentrated enough, you can even drink
| matcha, which typically has more caffeine per ml than American
| filtered coffee.
| irrational wrote:
| I am so glad I never got on the coffee bandwagon. I once
| surreptitiously added up how much my coworkers spent on coffee
| during a typical work week (not even including what they might
| have spent at home). Crazy (to me) amounts of money.
| wenc wrote:
| I'm a coffee drinker who manages to get away spending almost no
| money on it because coffee's free at work and I'm not picky
| about the taste (I don't mind instant). :) (it's coffee
| connoisseurs who spend a lot)
|
| I used to be a non-coffee drinker-- and I applaud coffee-
| teetotalers--but in my 2nd year of grad school I discovered
| that a small dose of coffee (1/2 cup) made so much more
| productive. Because I dosed it according to my body weight, I
| was able to get the benefits of coffee without its downsides.
| There were higher order benefits too. My moods improved because
| I felt productive, which helped me progress academically, and
| it all became a virtuous cycle.
|
| My rule today is: drink coffee, but not too much, free is
| better.
| cflewis wrote:
| I don't drink coffee at home. I don't make it at work. I will
| get it sometimes at work from the barista bar.
|
| But when I am working from home, I will _always_ go to a coffee
| house to work. It is difficult to state how important that the
| "third place" is. I focus far better there than at home. Try it
| out. Even if you don't drink coffee. Get a nice peppermint tea
| or something.
| [deleted]
| the8472 wrote:
| Caffeine in pill form is fairly cheap since it's a byproduct of
| the decaffeination process.
| praptak wrote:
| It can be ultra cheap. Buy raw coffee beans in big bags. Their
| shelf life is years, and they are like a few bucks per
| kilogram.
|
| Roasting at home doesn't require expensive equipment either. A
| manual grinder is like 20 bucks, same goes for the brewing
| thingy that you put on the stovetop.
| tonyarkles wrote:
| Any suggestions for where to get green beans? Sweet Maria's
| has come up before in conversations with friends, but if
| there's some amazing source for them, I'd love to know!
| vbezhenar wrote:
| There are various kinds of coffee. I'm using moka pot and I'm
| buying grinded coffee. Those are cheap enough, moka pot is
| around $50 and lasts few years (forever if you're careful),
| grinded coffee is something like $10 in my country and enough
| for a 2-3 weeks for me. I'm living in a third-world country but
| that's not my biggest spendings my a large margin. Preparing 4
| cups of coffee takes around 3 minutes. That's enough for me to
| sustain for a half of day.
|
| There are some people who are spending unhealthy amount of
| money, true, but they chose to do so. There are various options
| and if someone wants to spend 10x money to get 10% better taste
| (and even that is subjective), that's his choice, not something
| unavoidable.
| hokumguru wrote:
| Funny, my coworker convinced our workplace to build and stock a
| coffee bar with an espresso machine by the exact same
| reasoning. Top of the line equipment and sending him to barista
| training still cost far less than we were all spending at our
| local shops each month.
| undersuit wrote:
| There's a comic titled The Four Vices, each pane the character
| is taking a day off from their vices. I guess my problem is now
| that I have had coffee I don't want off and I pretty fearful
| that I'd just find another vice instead to fill the void.
| pdog wrote:
| You're really glad you didn't hop on the conspicuous Starbucks
| coffee consumption bandwagon.
|
| Enjoying a hot cup of coffee at home is an affordable and
| delightful treat.
| keiferski wrote:
| Buying a grinder, French press and bags of beans is not very
| expensive. Maybe $0.25 a cup depending on the quality of beans
| you get, plus an initial investment of ~$50 for equipment.
|
| Spending $5 on a blended pseudo coffee drink at Starbucks is
| not the only option.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| > Spending $5 on a blended pseudo coffee drink at Starbucks
| is not the only option.
|
| That's only a fashion statement, which, like all other
| fashion statements, don't go for any quality or
| smart/educated choice but pure social signaling.
|
| Nobody with any functional taste buds in places like Italy
| goes to Starbucks. Only those desperately lost and having
| herd mentality, similar to folks in France eating in McDonald
| (and there are tons of those).
|
| /rant
|
| Btw if kitchen hob is available, I consider Italian press
| (aka Moka pot) superior to French press, and more efficient
| in extracting flavors and potency (so also more economical in
| long run). Prices tend to be similar.
| floren wrote:
| > Spending $5 on a blended pseudo coffee drink at Starbucks
| is not the only option.
|
| The price per ounce of _coffee_ on those drinks has got to be
| astronomical!
|
| I didn't drink coffee when I first moved to New Mexico, but
| after trying to local pinon coffee I'm a convert--luckily, I
| can get a 5 lb bag of the beans at Costco for about $30!
| keiferski wrote:
| Having worked at a few cafes in my day, you'd be amazed at
| the profit margins on coffee. It costs pennies for the
| typical cafe to sell a cup of black coffee at ~$2.50.
| 1123581321 wrote:
| I call black coffee my table rental fee.
| Tagbert wrote:
| The cost in a coffee shop is the labor, not the coffee.
| It takes a long time to make an espresso-based drink.
| keiferski wrote:
| Rent too. Especially in dense urban areas.
| AmericanChopper wrote:
| The margins are good, but from my experience (which was a
| long time ago tbf), a lot more profit came from food. A
| small cafe isn't doing badly to sell 200-300 coffees a
| day. Even if you're selling 300 at $4, that's only $1200
| in revenue. Margins on food aren't as good, but you'd be
| hoping to make 3x-4x revenue on food compared to coffee.
| Keeping in mind that a even a small cafe would likely be
| running at least a couple grand in expenses per day (with
| the biggest being rent and payroll).
| xythian wrote:
| Exactly, every hobby or indulgence has extremes. I'm happy
| with my ~$200 in coffee equipment and $5-10/lb coffee. But,
| plenty of other people spend thousands on equipment and buy
| $20-30+/lb coffee.
|
| And, some people drink Folgers.
| keiferski wrote:
| All things considered, coffee is a fairly cheap hobby. At
| the extreme end you've got espresso machines and personal
| roasters, of course, but for the average coffee
| connoisseur, excellent equipment is attainable for a few
| hundred dollars.
|
| > some people drink Folgers.
|
| Sure, but this discussion is about coffee.
| krisgee wrote:
| >but for the average coffee connoisseur, excellent
| equipment is attainable for a few hundred dollars.
|
| I think this is generally true of most hobbies (jokingly
| it's what I use to define a hobby, something that you
| can, but don't have spend at least 1000 USD on).
|
| To pick one I recently started on you can get started
| brewing beer for under 100 dollars. You can get perfectly
| acceptable, even excellent beer using basic equipment.
| Then, if you want you can go out and spend thousands of
| dollars on pressure transfer equipment, kegging tools,
| stainless steel fermenters and etc.
|
| But you don't have to.
| wpietri wrote:
| I think it's hilarious that you say you're happy you are, but
| all the replies are telling you how you could get addicted to
| their drug of choice. Just let irrational be, everybody!
| TheGallopedHigh wrote:
| The replies are refuting the claim the GP made that drinking
| coffee is expensive. They're not trying to get the poster to
| drink.
| throwanem wrote:
| Unless you go for the really high-end stuff, it's a few cents a
| day to drink a couple of cups at home in the morning.
|
| In a seller's market for labor, free coffee makes a useful pons
| asinorum for potential employers, whether or not you drink it
| at work. (I don't.) Even in overpriced packaging methods like
| K-cups, it's so inexpensive in bulk that a company that cheaps
| out there will cheap out on more important things too.
| Similarly, because caffeine is a performance-enhancing drug for
| cognitive workers, one may reasonably question the good sense
| of leadership which refuses to provide it free of charge.
| jdpigeon wrote:
| TIL the definition of pons asinorum: "the point at which many
| learners fail, especially a theory or formula that is
| difficult to grasp."
| throwanem wrote:
| Used here in a more metaphorical sense, for sure. There are
| more precise idioms for what I intended to say, but they
| didn't come to mind in time, so I went with what I had.
|
| On reflection, "table stakes" is closer.
| ahoka wrote:
| Wow, 4 whole dollars. Crazy.
| unethical_ban wrote:
| My old team pre-pandemic did two coffee runs a day. $2.10 per
| cup x2, x5 = $22 a week, and that is if you only get drip at
| SBUX.
| VMG wrote:
| I'm using a french press with hand-grinder and the beans are
| roughly $30/month max. In terms of enjoyment maybe the highest
| ROI of the money I'm spending.
| pdog wrote:
| When you factor in the health and productivity benefits, it's
| likely the highest ROI of all your _investments_.
| triceratops wrote:
| Buying coffee at coffee shops every day is for suckers. Buy
| your own beans, grind them at home, and brew. Costs pennies per
| cup - cheaper than alcohol. Water is the only drink that's
| cheaper.
| tyre wrote:
| Excellent piece by Adam Gopnik a few years ago about why coffee
| and cafes specifically we such a drastic social change:
|
| https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/12/24/what-cafes-did...
| dzonga wrote:
| for those that have an issue consuming coffee e.g headaches,
| stomach issues. my non-medical advice based on personal
| experiences is: try lighter to medium roasts. course grounds -
| french press | traditional brews. 100% arabica beans. flush with
| water i.e after a cup of coffee drink two - 4 cups of water. also
| mixing decaf n caffeinated coffee
| emsign wrote:
| my advice: avoid caffeine altogether, everything decaf, if you
| insist on consuming those beverages.
| headcanon wrote:
| Coffee has a good number of health benefits - plenty of
| antioxidants and its good for your liver. Naturally, overuse can
| be bad for you because of its dehydrating effects. I've had
| conversations with some people who mention they're on their 4th
| or 5th cup a day, and I've said that I found that 1 or 2 cups a
| day coupled with plenty of water are much more effective.
|
| Just like anything, a little bit can be good for you, but don't
| take too much - and stay hydrated! Preferably with plenty of
| sleep but I understand thats not always realistic for some.
| lhuser123 wrote:
| Maybe is the placebo effect, I don't know, but coffee helps me
| keep my asthma under control.
| mlavin wrote:
| Caffeine seems to be a known bronchodilator, so you're not
| wrong there.
| pieterhg wrote:
| Coffee doesn't dehydrate, that's a common urban myth
| https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h...
| undersuit wrote:
| During a college lecture I had what my friend described as a
| short seizure, for me I definitely felt like I was passing out
| and I had visions. I carefully walked to the campus hospital
| and the doctor I met with put forth his best guess that my
| excessive caffeine consumption had irritated the Vagus nerve
| causing me to pass out. So that's something to be wary of, oh
| and the withdrawal headache you'll get on Sunday if you forget
| you have a pretty hard weekday coffee habit.
| neonate wrote:
| https://archive.md/1mPIc
| jzer0cool wrote:
| Referencing from this article here: https://www.ncausa.org/About-
| Coffee/History-of-Coffee
|
| > "No one knows exactly how or when coffee was discovered, though
| there are many legends about its origin"
|
| And interestingly: > "After crude oil, coffee is the most sought
| commodity in the world"
| benibela wrote:
| Since the oil price went negative, coffee must be the most
| sought commodity now
| ThisIsTheWay wrote:
| Prices for a specific group of oil purchase contracts went
| negative, but that is quite a bit different than saying "the
| oil price is negative."
| dzonga wrote:
| also one surprising thing was the shortage of coffee during this
| pandemic
| partyboat1586 wrote:
| Good read. Kellogg and Post might have been right about coffee
| causing 'enervation'. Afternoon coffee breaks can lower sleep
| quality in some people which leads to long term reduction in
| energy due to low grade sleep deprivation.
| emsign wrote:
| Yeah, people go into withdrawal during the night which leads to
| bad quality sleep which leads to the desire to drink coffee
| earlier in the day, since you feel very unwell after you wake
| up. A downward spiral.
| fxtentacle wrote:
| I feel like the article didn't really answer that question. Also,
| given that some of the most successful people I know don't drink
| coffeine at all, I wonder if the assumption is even correct.
| thirteenfingers wrote:
| Very disappointed that the article doesn't mention that about
| 1734 Johann Sebastian Bach actually wrote a secular cantata
| (often called the "Coffee Cantata") telling the story of a father
| trying to get his daughter to stop drinking coffee.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweigt_stille,_plaudert_nich...
|
| https://www.bachvereniging.nl/en/bwv/bwv-211/
| acheron wrote:
| If I don't get my coffee I shall shrivel up like a piece of
| roast goat.
| meerita wrote:
| I just drink coffee at the morning and probably, after a nap. I
| never drink more than 2 cups a day. How are you habits?
| monkeydust wrote:
| Been hooked on V60 drip for my morning coffee. Really gets the
| flavour out of the coffee.
|
| Worth watching a few vids on youtube to get the technique
| right.
| tempestn wrote:
| I never developed a taste for coffee, and decided early on that
| there was no reason to try to do so. (I'm in my late 30s now.)
| I do have the occasional coke, which I'd never noticed any
| effect from until the past few years. A single can of coke
| later than early afternoon now will have a noticeable impact on
| my sleep that night--get sleepy later, and end up sleeping
| around 0.5-1 hours less than I would otherwise. (With the
| expected resulting tiredness the next day.) Of course I expect
| much of that is due to lack of tolerance since I so rarely have
| caffeine.
| matwood wrote:
| We would need to define a cup. I have a little pot that I use a
| #2 filter on to brew. It says it's 4 cups, but really fills my
| coffee cup twice. I drink 1 pot a day.
|
| My wife hates coffee, but my ritual of bean grinding, water
| boiling and pouring with all the associated smells has also
| become part of her mourning routine.
| beckingz wrote:
| 2-3 cups a day, unless it's crunch time.
| oh_sigh wrote:
| I drink up to 4 cups a day or zero per day. I might be a daily
| drinker for 2 months and then go a month or two without a cup
| or any caffeine source at all. I've never had a problem with
| caffeine withdrawal headache which is interesting. 23andme says
| I'm 'likely to slightly more coffee than average' and I am a
| slow caffeine metabolizer based on my genetics.
|
| The only coffee rules I really follow are 1) don't drink it if
| I'm tired - for whatever reason I feel nauseous if I drink it
| when I am actually tired, and 2) don't drink any after 3PM or
| else I probably won't go to sleep until 1-2AM.
| meerita wrote:
| I need to clarify I drink americano style. Expresso was barely
| 1 a day before the corona virus
| vbezhenar wrote:
| I'm drinking one cup every 1-2 hours. But my coffee is not
| usual, it's a very hard coffee from moka pot mixed with fresh
| milk in proportion 1:9, so it's not a lot of coffee actually,
| but rather a lot of milk. I'm really addicted to the taste of
| this beverage and caffeine makes me feel a little bit better.
| bob1029 wrote:
| I just cut back to zero caffeine as of a week ago. It was hell,
| but I finally hit break-even today. It became obvious the
| coffee consumption was impacting productivity and sleep quality
| so I had to hit the reset button.
|
| Just had my first "normal" day and it was far more productive
| than any other day in 2020. I will try to stay off the coffee
| indefinitely.
| emsign wrote:
| Ah, just today I had a caffeine withdrawal induced headache,
| because I had been drinking tea the last three days. It was so
| bad I had to pop a Thomapyrin tablet with a Coke. For all non-
| Germans: it's a fixed combination drug that includes Aspirin
| (250mg), Paracetamol (200mg) and Caffeine (50mg).
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